First, a review; then, a question.

[Atticus]

In Kenosha, Wisconsin, an unarmed young black man who had not committed any crime opened the driver's door of his car in which three of his kids sat and was then shot not once---not twice---but SEVEN DAMN TIMES---IN THE BACK! There is bystander video which captured these events.

To those who say we should not "rush to judgment" based on "just" the video: short of a recording of Jacob saying "I'm gonna get my Uzi outta my car and kill all you cops!", what in hell do you think "further investigation" might turn up that could possibly justify SEVEN POINT BLANK SHOTS INTO THE BACK OF AN UNARMED MAN------------while his three sons watched!

This is bullshit. There is NO reason not to arrest the shooter NOW.

For the record, I'm an ancient white man.

[stillcool]

1. We could call it torture, we could call it war...

we could call it a lot of things, but what we can not call it is justified.

[rwsanders]

72. An on-going war against the left since WW2

[2naSalit]

2. A point made by the attorney during the presser today...

When anyone else is caught on video, especially people of color, that's enough to arrest. But not for the cops when they harm a person of color.

[BadgerMom]

3. Couldn't agree more.

[smirkymonkey]

4. K&R

[George II]

5. He was getting into his OWN car, and the cop shot him at point blank range. What's to wait for?

[KS Toronado]

6. I've watched all the videos, there should be some cops in jail.

[qwlauren35]

7. There is a question

of whether or not he was unarmed.

I am waiting to hear details.

In my opinion, if there were multiple cops, as I have heard, and there was a struggle, as I have heard, and there was a taser, as I have heard... then he could have been handcuffed.

There is so much that we don't know.

I think the protests (never the violence) are justified. I hope the cop who shot him is arrested and convicted.

I am also still waiting for George Floyd's murderer to be convicted. And I'm hoping for a bit of prison justice.

[Ferrets are Cool]

11. So the FUCK what if he was armed? I've seen 1000s of fucking WHITE people armed with

WMD recently and NOT one of them was arrested, much less SHOT.

FUCK that shit that we don't know. This is murder.

[dhol82]

15. ........

[qwlauren35]

18. If he was armed.

Then the cop might not be convicted.

Didn't say it was right... just saying what I think is true.

[onecent]

25. I watched this on TV and he didn't not have a weapon.

[DENVERPOPS]

73. If he wasn't armed at

the moment time was shot, I'm sure he got "armed" immediately after the shooting (murdered)........

[Volaris]

29. Its also the case that even if he was armed,

He has a Second Amendment RIGHT to BE ARMED.

Unless that particular 'right' is only for white people.

Even if he WAS armed, he was outnumbered 3 to 1; against cops who are so equipped as to be fucking batman (even without sidearms).

Even if he was armed, AND was a threat that 3 trained cops couldnt handle, HE WAS SHOT IN THE BACK.

One correctly placed bullet would have sufficient if he WAS a threat. SEVEN is AN EXECUTION...straight, no chaser.

[Ferrets are Cool]

33. +1

[qwlauren35]

61. Definitely

Being armed is something white people are entitled to and black people are not entitled to.

I think you saw that at a state capitol building recently.

Gun control laws always unfairly impact our communities. The previous gun control push was in response to black people with guns. (Not this one.)

It's kind of like which countries can have nuclear weapons. We seem to judge who will be "responsible" and we are very biased.

[TallMike]

30. -

INDEED!

[happy feet]

69. 1000000000000+

There are videos of white armed people fighting with/shooting/harming police who then manage to cuff and arrest them without taking one shot at them, let alone murdering them.

We're not asking for better treatment just EQUAL treatment and justice under the law...i.e. treat us as human beings.

Heck, I thought gunmen in the wild wild west even looked down on cowards who shot people in the back.

[Pacifist Patriot]

52. Whether or not he was armed has no relevance whatsoever to being shot seven times in the back.

[rumleyfips]

65. murder

I thought Americans had a right to bear arms.

[Pepsidog]

8. No reason to have guns out. Crazy!

[warmfeet]

9. This ends,

or this country ends.

There is no surviving this.

[raging moderate]

10. There is a Go Fund Me page for Jacob Blake.

I am a Luddite, but maybe others could find it?

[Chellee]

16. Here you go.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/justiceforjacobblake?sharetype=teams&member=5465216&rcid=7d32595c11004af1a337884ec1ebd0ff

[raging moderate]

38. Thank you.

I donated.

[marieo1]

12. Another one..........

I can't believe it happened again...after the protests all across our nation, they are still doing it!!! Where are these guys supervisors? Why would they shoot an unarmed man in the back, no less? I just don't get it.......so sad. Law enforcement must be full of white supremacists.

[maxrandb]

21. The FBI has been warning for years

about white supremacists having a coordinated plan to infiltrate law enforcement all over the country.

I can't help but think that this is being done on purpose to cause unrest in the streets of America.

I'm sorry for the "good" officers, but the entire fucking force, from the Right Wingnuts in the NY FBI offices, to the racist asspickle in Mayberry needs to be torn down to the studs and rebuilt.

And the Dipshit Hate Radio sherrifs in Dumbfuckistan Murika need to be assigned federal watchdogs in their offices and stations.

There's no fucking reason that asshats like sherrif Clark in WI, or Arpaio in Arizona should have ever been within 1,000 miles of a fucking badge.

I want a special taskforce to dig into misconduct complaints and social media accounts of law enforcement all over this fucking country.

I want Hate Radio and Faux News fucking destroyed, because whether it's a cop, or fucking George Zimmerman, Hate Radio and Faux News provided them succor.

It's just about damned time for a general strike in this fucking shithole country.

And I'm fucking telling you...if Hate Radio is not fucking ripped out by the fucking roots, it doesn't fucking matter if Biden wins 49 States and we get 60 Dems in the Senate, this shit will keep happening.

[Mister Ed]

31. That fact needs much more attention.

The FBI has been warning for years about white supremacists having a coordinated plan to infiltrate law enforcement all over the country.

[calimary]

37. With ya on that! I too want hate radio destroyed.

I too want Pox Noise disemboweled. And that ridiculous “home of the bimbos” OAN (“One America News” - who are they kidding?!? - btw, I think we know) as well.

They are both the prime reasons why conservatives have gone overboard and are throwing their weight around to the degree they are. They gave aid and comfort to the knuckledragger contingent, validated them, and made them feel justified. And made it okay for them to be out ‘n’ proud about some of the nastiest, most sexist, racist, intolerant, mean-spirited and and unashamedly in-yer-face about it.

They made it okay. Hell, they made it mainstream. I used to be that weird old Uncle Harold who was such a Neanderthal, stayed up in the attic because nice people didn’t say those things, much less actually believe them. Now, those “dirty little secret” feelings you didn’t dare utter in public (what would people think of they knew I felt this way?) for fear you’d have no friends - all that is now out in the open, strutted and not apologized for, and even celebrated!

Hearing that poison repeated for hours on end on little pipsqueak stations out in the middle of nowhere keeping truckers company out on the highway have them a feeling of solidarity and support, and validation. “Yeah! He’s tellin’ it like it IS!”

And all this shit and unspoken grievances and resentments people nursed in private because those feelings were severely anti-social and backwards and unChristian and intolerant and greedy and selfish and mean-spirited and just plain wrong were allowed out of the closet and into the fresh air. Where the toxins could stretch out and spread. They were all suddenly okay! And you weren’t alone anymore because that big rich fat-ass on the radio was saying the same things. He was saying out loud what you were thinking but didn’t think you had the nerve to say out loud. And that made it okay. And you felt not only okay but justified and reinforced. And definitely not alone.

That’s how it worked. And how it spread. Like a metastasizing cancer. And just as deadly. Deadly to our body politic, that is.

[happy feet]

70. 1000000000000+

[demigoddess]

13. speaking as an old white lady. grew up in the military, met lots of

black people. Most of them nice, lovely people. My handicapped daughter was taught by one lovely black lady. my daughter loved her. A black man, massage therapist treated her for years, she loved him too. They both were the finest people in the world. I am sick to death of these shootings. I am sick of people thinking black skin makes you less than white people. If anything, they are more than white people. Get trump out and maybe we can fix this.( yes I know it has gone on for ages)

[MarianJack]

14. I'm a 65 yearvold white guy, and...

...I completely agree with you.

#noymypresident

RESIST

[H2O Man]

17. Recommended.

I agree.

[MustLoveBeagles]

19. K&R

[pansypoo53219]

20. paper article in milw paper. he basically was a WITNESS they wanted to question. because of a fight

tried to break up. absolutely NO reason to shot him. cops being stupid.

they better be on desk jobs only from now on.+ pay his med bills. damned lucky he is not dead.

[PatrickforO]

35. They better be arrested, tried and imprisoned for attempted first degree murder,

reckless endangerment and assault with a deadly weapon. And the City of Kenosha needs to pay for Jacob Blake's entire life from this day on.

[lettucebe]

22. Why are they not talking about shooting into a car with children inside?

How can this be justified in any scenario? A bullet could ricochet and kill one of those children. Why did they need to shoot. He was calmly walking to his car -- these police officers are cowards and need to be held responsible.

Not rushing to judgment -- it's crystal clear.

[Joinfortmill]

23. Yes. Such a horrible act.

[LymphocyteLover]

24. why not taze him? Why the fucking lethal force? It's crazy

[Trueblue Texan]

26. Completely agree...

and if Trump is elected, more and more of these will happen with less and less accountability.

[Aussie105]

27. Add that to the list of reasons to be shot

Turning your back on cops while black.

It's a long list, isn't it?

Cops: But we couldn't see his hands. Surely he was reaching into the car for a rocket launcher, or something?

Review board: Fair enough, can't trust those sorts of people! Carry on, here, have some more ammo!

[Talitha]

28. No call for 7 bullets in the back - none. And his Babies were in the vehicle!!!

Can you imagine the outcry if the races were reversed? If white folks were being mistreated, assaulted, and murdered by Cops of color? Holy geeze, you bet it would have screeched to a halt after one incident.

For the record, I'm an OWL - - OldWhiteLady.

[PatrickforO]

34. Talitha Unwin was a character in Stephen King's Gunslinger series.

He said her name when he got to the Tower.

[Talitha]

41. Cool, I didn't know that! It's supposedly mentioned somewhere in the Bible, too.

My liking of the name stems from an interest in astronomy. Talitha is a star in the front foot of the huge Ursa Majoris constellation - the one that has the Big Dipper in it.

[tblue37]

43. The black cop that killed the white woman who had called in a possible assault was actually

convicted and imprisoned. I am sure they would have managed to explain away that shooting if he had been white.

[PatrickforO]

32. You're right. There is no justification even possible for grabbing an unarmed man

by the shirt and shooting him seven times in the back at point blank range. No excuse. No justification.

It is an atrocity. A crime against humanity. It was a hate crime.

This cop needs to be fired, arrested, jailed, arraigned, tried and sentenced for his crimes. He needs his life ruined because Jacob Blake is now paralyzed for life, and if he lives through numerous surgeries, he will probably have to have a colostomy bag because they took most of his large and small intestines. His liver was damaged. His stomach was perforated. His vertebrae were shattered beyond repair.

The city of Kenosha needs to fund his medical treatment and lost income for the rest of his life, and that cop needs to be in prison.

I'm sick about this.

[Buckeyeblue]

36. Why was he even stopped? And I've already rushed to judgement.

This shit has got to stop.

[NotANeocon]

39. This is NOT intended to be an alibi but to answer the OP ?

It comes down to the LEO training in use of weapons - how to and when you should engage.

From the LEO POV: the man was probably getting a weapon from the lower area of the driver seat, The officer was in fear of his life and had to stop him from picking up the weapon. When pulling was not working he started to shoot. A wounded perp can be extremely dangerous so you must insure your target is totally incapable of any retaliation - and that means keep shooting until the target is incapacitated. At that point your duty as a first-responder is to make sure the person is not armed and render first aid to the injured.

You had 1 second to figure that response out and if you got it wrong you are not going home tonight to your family.

Perhaps if they were trained as Peace Officers instead of Law Enforcement Officers the approach and outcome might be different.

[Atticus]

40. "From the LEO POV: the man was probably getting a weapon from the lower area of the driver seat."

Why was he "probably getting a weapon"? Because he was black?

I am not aware of a single fact that would support this supposition. Are you?

In all candor. I think this is a textbook example of systemic racism.

[NotANeocon]

42. You will interpret as you wish!

If the "perp" trying to get something from under the seat to kill you (you as the LEO).was a green female would this still be "systemic racism".

The reaction was to a situation - not a color. And the training involved is also to the situation - not color.

He was getting a gun because that's what perps do. Go inside the scared but trained LEO's head and think of your own children at home as you react.

It is totally different from Portland. Kenosha is a 1 second reaction situation.

[tblue37]

44. He WASN'T a "perp." He was a witness, a bystander who had tried to break up a fight!

[NotANeocon]

45. To a stressed LEO in a conflict situation EVERYBODY is a perp except those wearing the same uniform.

If needed the dead can be sorted later but YOU must be alive to do so.

Walk the streets in LEO boots - you'll change.

(I am not a LEO -just a citizen).

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. That's why this is systemic. You paint a far bleaker picture

If any "stressed LEO" could react like that, then it's not "a bad apple", it's a failed organization that needs to be disbanded, and something new put in its place that can actually "protect and serve".

You make a good case for defunding this police department, and any that has a similar mentality.

[NotANeocon]

47. But systemic WHAT? Systemic "get home from this shift alive"?

With less than 1 second to decide if they will be shot dead do YOU think you have the right to second guess their actions. I'm certain I don't.

Cops are PEOPLE - not robots. Expect them to act like people.

[muriel_volestrangler]

48. Systemic "convert people into frightened killers"

That's the point - these cops you describe used to be people. They have had their humanity removed, by the system,

Yes, as a human, I do have the right to second guess them. People do not shoot others in the back for deciding to leave a crime scene with their children. That cop did not have "1 second to decide"; he had several seconds to see a man walk peacefully to his car door, so that he could drive away. His judgement was shit, thanks to the system that ruined him. He needs rehabilitation. Inside a prison.

[Atticus]

50. Thank you for taking the time to respond to this stuff. nt

[NotANeocon]

53. We disagree.

I still see LEOs as human beings with all the foibles of that species.

A change in training is certainly indicated. British coppers are not nearly as ready to shoot for example because they have a "de-escalation" approach. However US cops know that even a 10 year old child is likely to be packing.

Citizens need more gun training or elimination of gun worship if they expect to be served and protected by more thinking people instead of reactive people. The perceived action telegraphs the reaction and the training automates it. Crippling the actions of police by limiting funding will not help and will probably exacerbate this problem.

Now we are back to billionaires paying no taxes and insufficient funds to properly pay for needed public services. Reganomics STILL is not working.

[Atticus]

49. Your repeated defense of this indefensible action makes me doubt the accuracy

of your moniker. Your argument is based on the "LEO's POV" which you somehow presume to know and which you describe as akin to a soldier in a war zone.

Deny it all you want---you are an apologist for cops doing whatever the hell they decide is ok.

Bullshit.

[NotANeocon]

54. Not an apologist -

- but certainly a devils advocate in this instance. Cops are not "the enemy" - especially when you need them.

[Atticus]

57. No one said "cops are the enemy". But, THIS cop apparently decided he could shoot an

innocent black citizen without any justification. If Jacob's actions so frightened this LEO that he felt compelled to shoot him seven times in the back, he should NEVER have had a badge pinned on him.

If you feel it appropriate to continue your defense of this cop, please proceed. I have said all that I intend to.

[Trumpocalypse]

51. What weapon?

There is no evidence he was getting a weapon. If there was a weapon in his car they would have announced it to justify the shooting.

[NotANeocon]

55. When the car was entered -

- by leaning forward with arm toward the bottom of the seat instead of turning outward to drop himself into the seat - the officer interpreted the move as a possible weapon retrieval and a danger to his life. He now had less than 1/2 second to react and prevent himself being shot - as far as he was concerned. He reacted automatically as he was trained.

[Trumpocalypse]

56. BS

That’s an excuse. There was no weapon.

[NotANeocon]

58. Great to have all that time to second guess with no threat to your life!!

[Trumpocalypse]

60. He wasn't a threat to anyone's life

That is just a BS excuse for an execution.

[muriel_volestrangler]

59. The killer pulled at his waist before shooting. That's why he 'leaned'.

"Prevent himself being shot" is complete bullshit. It's appalling excuse-making for a cold-blooded killer.

[HAB911]

66. Some cops should be bagging my groceries

at the supermarket, not holding a gun.

[TommyCelt]

71. No.

Watch the video... the officer had his gun trained on Jacob as soon as he turned away and began walking to his car. My wife is retired NYPD and she was shocked at the officer's ridiculous and totally unprofessional actions. She knows all the slogans you're yapping about, getting home from your shift alive and all that. Thank the gods she always did.

All that being said, she stated to me if the officer was THAT hyped out about the situation that he was in fear for his life, "there's no way he should be wearing a badge."

[uponit7771]

62. Nope, the LEO was pointing a gun already so Black was already seen as someone to be stopped ...

... so ALLOWING him to get to the car without safely apprehending him in itself not an excuse.

There's no really good reason to shoot someone in the back 7 times.

[usaf-vet]

63. There are three young black kid who for the rest of their lives won't NOT TRUST A POLICEMAN...Sad!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

64. Still no arrest of the guy with the assault rifle at the protest where 2 died. . . . nt

[wryter2000]

67. What I saw

"Turn your back on me while I'm talking to you, will you, (insert racial slur)? I'll show you!" Blam, blam, Blam, Blam, Blam, Blam, Blam.

[aleesiazane]

68. Absolutely

This is so heartbreaking. How can anyone take this action?
Does humanity even exist now?

[SergeStorms]

74. Ancient white man here too, Atticus.

And I'm asking the same damned questions. This shit has to stop. How many times have I said that though. Right now, in this country, it seems like it's open season on people of color. Donald Trump is the complete and total reason for this. He's given law enforcement and the justice system complete immunity from retribution for his racist agenda, and they're taking full advantage of the situation. They know nothing is going to happen to them other than a slap on the wrist. Even if they got fired, they'd just head on down the road to the next Police Department and pick up right where they left off.

I'm flying my flag upside down from here on out. This country is in mortal danger with Donald Trump in the White House. We're well past distressed.