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"As a lawyer who used to enforce the Hatch Act" - Daniel Jacobson (Original Post) Nevilledog Aug 2020 OP
Is a law a law if no one enforces it? nt Doremus Aug 2020 #1
It's like that tree in the woods. GreenPartyVoter Aug 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author PoliticAverse Aug 2020 #13
By whom? On what grounds? niyad Aug 2020 #21
The Supreme Court ruled it is constitutional in 1973 grantcart Aug 2020 #22
Laws are for democrats. -nt CrispyQ Aug 2020 #24
K&R Blue Owl Aug 2020 #2
He does not care. Magoo48 Aug 2020 #4
Could charges be brought on these violations in 2021? Just wondering...nt wcmagumba Aug 2020 #5
The penalties are pretty limp C_U_L8R Aug 2020 #6
so the max penalties are, lose federal job, banned from federal employment for 5 years bullimiami Aug 2020 #7
How many people are in prison for violating the Hatch Act? Hoyt Aug 2020 #8
So, when does the hearing begin? Baitball Blogger Aug 2020 #9
Begins Timewas Aug 2020 #10
What court will these crimes be tried in? dchill Aug 2020 #11
How many times DENVERPOPS Aug 2020 #12
+1 sandensea Aug 2020 #15
It will get recognized as wrong when a Democrat is in office ArizonaLib Aug 2020 #14
Trump knows it's too late and futile to impeach him for it, but in the future... ancianita Aug 2020 #16
Law? speaknow Aug 2020 #17
How many other times has Trump participated in a naturalization ceremony? LiberalFighter Aug 2020 #18
Melanoma's illegal one?????????/ Nc DENVERPOPS Aug 2020 #23
There is no chance that Trump will be penalized by the government for this violation but Kyblue1 Aug 2020 #19
So it's pretty much guidance for chumps, like the WH Ethics Standards that got ditched? Evolve Dammit Aug 2020 #20
Kick dalton99a Aug 2020 #25

Response to Doremus (Reply #1)

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
22. The Supreme Court ruled it is constitutional in 1973
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:27 PM
Aug 2020

There have been about a dozen complaints made by the OSC finding violations of the Hatch Act but they were relatively minor in nature and was handled mostly with a warning letter.

It wasn't until this administration that the abuses were so systemic.

Conway was found to have made multiple violations of the HA but the Trump Doubt It not follow up.

Magoo48

(4,720 posts)
4. He does not care.
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 12:30 PM
Aug 2020

His thinking is there isn’t one agency in the USA with the courage and willingness to stop me. In his view we are weak; he is strong. We should stop making demands if they are impotent. It doesn’t look good.

bullimiami

(13,103 posts)
7. so the max penalties are, lose federal job, banned from federal employment for 5 years
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 12:53 PM
Aug 2020

1000 fine.

Pretty weak but there are likely 100s of people in trump admin that have broken the law.

What does it take to enforce this?

I see this...

The Merit Systems Protection Board and the Office of Special Counsel (OSC) are responsible for enforcement of the Hatch Act.

Does that mean it doesnt take a court?


on edit.

Those like K Conway, Ivanka etc... who have repeatedly violated it, can they be charged with multiple counts?

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
12. How many times
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:42 PM
Aug 2020

have we all said: He can't do that legally. Or the RepubliCON Senators can't do that legally?

From day one, they were not going to wait for the 2020 election to install their Corporate Fascist Tyranny.

We are well past the point of no Return people........

A book written about the past 40 years, and particularly the last four years would have the PERFECT title:

WHILE THE NATION SLEPT..........

Someone could sit down and write every willful and wanton violation of the U.S. Constitution and Rule of Law and it would take months to cite every single violation.

THIS IS WHAT A "CORPORATE FASCIST TYRANNY LOOKS LIKE..........

and it is gonna get a lot uglier in the next two months, as the RepubliCONs will stop at nothing to make it permanent.......

sandensea

(21,651 posts)
15. +1
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:00 PM
Aug 2020

Cheeto, lest we forget, is merely an inevitable product of a much larger problem: the push by Big Business (with exceptions) to return to a Mussolini - or even a 19th century - model of governance.

Back to a Gilded Age in which government was merely an agency of theirs - something they've already more than halfway accomplished.

At the very least, their goal is to make even the most modest reforms all but impossible. Radicalizing the right is a big part of that - or so they think.

Because radicalized politics (be it on the far left or right - but especially on the far right, due to all the money behind it) is like a snake eating its own tail. It never ends well for anyone.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
14. It will get recognized as wrong when a Democrat is in office
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:56 PM
Aug 2020

If the republicans can't take any legal action, they will scream forever and loud. That is what 'lock her up' was all about.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
16. Trump knows it's too late and futile to impeach him for it, but in the future...
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:23 PM
Aug 2020

if we make that future come true by luck and pluck, he'll be indicted for it.

We just have to make sure he doesn't cheat this election while calling Democrats the cheaters. Which he's already doing and will do no matter what the result is.

speaknow

(321 posts)
17. Law?
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:28 PM
Aug 2020

What does that mean to them, nothing.
They have been getting away with
every and anything they want no matter
what it is. They have no respect for any
RULE OF LAW!

Kyblue1

(216 posts)
19. There is no chance that Trump will be penalized by the government for this violation but
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:52 PM
Aug 2020

The people should hold him accountable for his blatant disregard for the law by voting him out of office. This is just one of a number of examples of his authoritarianism belief that he is above the law. Our “Law & Order” President”, what a sick joke.

Evolve Dammit

(16,757 posts)
20. So it's pretty much guidance for chumps, like the WH Ethics Standards that got ditched?
Wed Aug 26, 2020, 03:13 PM
Aug 2020

Or the House and Senate "Rules" on conduct, decorum and (yawn) civil discourse. A sharp rebuke is in order....

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