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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:47 PM Sep 2012

The Republican base knows they're being lied to. They don't mind.

They know there's no voter impersonation problem to solve via voter ID. They will admit, privately, that they don't think "those people" should be allowed to vote.

They know public employees aren't overpaid, but they've been taught to hate public employees, so slashing public employee wages and benefits feels good to them.

They know there's no threat justifying our enormous defense budget. They just like being the strongest bully.

They know the health insurance companies are ripping them off, but they tolerate it because they just can't stand the idea of someone getting something they "don't deserve".

They know unions spend a tiny pittance on politics compared to corporations, but they're happy denying that because they've been taught to hate "union thugs" and "union bosses".

They know that Wall Street has rigged the system, but that's OK as long as they get to see the "Occupy hippies" pepper-sprayed.

They know their Party doesn't give a shit about them, but they've been taught to hate the other Party as a "bunch of takers".

They know there is no "liberal media" but also know that claiming there is one helps back up their other comfortable lies.

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The Republican base knows they're being lied to. They don't mind. (Original Post) Scuba Sep 2012 OP
further proof that the GOP base is the dying party of scared white people a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1
I don't hate many things. But I do hate this trait of republicans. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #2
+1! uponit7771 Sep 2012 #3
+2 skeewee08 Sep 2012 #8
They think they are "in" on the lie. dawg Sep 2012 #4
Isn't that the truth. The club is for consistent long term Lucky Luciano Sep 2012 #17
It's true. The RepubliProles willingly accept the lies Berlum Sep 2012 #5
The Repub sheeple want to be "winners by association" but they don't want to believe they're hue Sep 2012 #6
I guess we need to tell them what we think at the polls, then. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #7
Not only that, but they enjoy the lies and expect them quinnox Sep 2012 #9
+1 Yep. JoeyT Sep 2012 #10
Years of limbaugh, right wing hate radio and fox news mountain grammy Sep 2012 #11
Lemme tell you about my "union bosses" pasto76 Sep 2012 #12
Yeah, but they absolutely hate Pres O Iliyah Sep 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author BaldHippie Sep 2012 #14
When you're a racist the only thing that matters is the end result. busterbrown Sep 2012 #15
Yup. But they've got nearly everything they desired and they're still pissed. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2012 #16
"They have been taught to hate" Andy823 Sep 2012 #18
You've nailed it. I saw it last spring when Scott Walker's supporters showed up at the polls .... Scuba Sep 2012 #19
pathetic heaven05 Sep 2012 #20
They only want to win.. they dont care how.. lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, etc. DCBob Sep 2012 #21
That's an important point! bhikkhu Sep 2012 #22
yep, been writing about it forever it seems stupidicus Sep 2012 #23
 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
1. further proof that the GOP base is the dying party of scared white people
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 12:54 PM
Sep 2012

who feel they are "temporarily embarrassed millionaires"

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
2. I don't hate many things. But I do hate this trait of republicans.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:09 PM
Sep 2012

Ignorance is one thing. Willful ignorance is even worse. But worst of all is complicity in lies.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
4. They think they are "in" on the lie.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 01:11 PM
Sep 2012

Little do they know, they are just useful idiots and peons. And it's sad, really. Because there are some of them who make $200,000 or so a year and think they are rich enough to be part of the club.

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
17. Isn't that the truth. The club is for consistent long term
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:32 PM
Sep 2012

seven figure earners. Even the lower end of that club is getting the bad seat in the clubhouse near the kitchen and bathroom so to speak.

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
5. It's true. The RepubliProles willingly accept the lies
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:23 PM
Sep 2012

They know the "global warming is a liberal plot" is total crapola of a mightily dangerous order. But they swallow the shit all the same.

They know their Republican war-mongering "leaders" are all chicken hawks who will never actually defend America and who are meanwhile screwing our sons and daughters in uniform while they blithely enrich the already rich. But they get down on their knees and kiss Chickenhawk Ass over and over.

They know their Republican Family Values "leaders" are Full-On hypocrites who are tapping their toes in public bathroom stalls, and prancing about in Diapers while boinking $1,000 a night hookers. And they still like to pretend they are some MORALLY SUPERIOR FOLLOWERS OF GAWD on a mission to intrude Big Government into America's bedrooms.

It's pathetic. One can only entertain Great Compassion in the face of such
perversity (R).

That, sadly, is the degenerate state of the Modern Republican.

hue

(4,949 posts)
6. The Repub sheeple want to be "winners by association" but they don't want to believe they're
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:29 PM
Sep 2012

just being used. Yes they are able to excuse/tolerate/enable the lies d/t their deep fears and insecurities.
They think they are winners--on the winning team--soon they'll feel the sting of FAILING!

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
9. Not only that, but they enjoy the lies and expect them
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:32 PM
Sep 2012

from the republican leaders. As the repub c-span callers and repub politicians often essentially say, "Don't bother me with the facts! I know my opinion is right"

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
10. +1 Yep.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:39 PM
Sep 2012

And it goes even beyond all of that. They're willing to intentionally harm themselves to see a group they hate hurt, and they hate absolutely everyone. You can rarely get them to admit it, but it's blatantly obvious from the "I'll live in a ramshackle hut if it means I can force you to live in a ditch." attitude the majority of them have.

How fucked up is that? What kind of crazy do you have to be to think that way?

That's one of the biggest differences between the left and the right and why there is absolutely no hope of reconciling the two. We oppose ideas and actions, they oppose the very existence of people that aren't them.

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
11. Years of limbaugh, right wing hate radio and fox news
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:44 PM
Sep 2012

have done the job they set out to do. Daddy Koch helped found the John Birch Society.. these psychos have been at this for a long time. That's why they're so good at it. The corporate takeover of America with the GOP sheep all in line.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
12. Lemme tell you about my "union bosses"
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:46 PM
Sep 2012

He is in his late 50s. Overweight and walks with a limp. The limp is because a huge crane collapsed on him, literally. He was standing on the cabwalk when the boom exploded. Luckily, all he lost was his lower leg.

The recording secretary is my current on the job foreman. Yeah that's right, you still have to work in the field your full 40 AND help run the local. He "went in the hole' 15 years ago. means he fell off the building, at least 15 feet. He hip is all jacked up. He's in his late 50s.

Actually, of the 8 members of our Executive board, there is only one who would actually be a fight. Except that would never come to pass, because he is actually very concerned with my wellbeing, and if I have a grievance, he has a grievance. A true representative.

The notion that ANY of the guys could intimidate any of us into voting one way or another is absurd. Just wanted to share.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. Yeah, but they absolutely hate Pres O
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 02:47 PM
Sep 2012

and the Democratic Party. What gets me is that y'think since GOPpers are suppose ly the party of GAWD why is such hatred so rampage. Plus with this new type of religion called "creation" where they claim that mankind is only 3-5 thousand years old is mind boggling.

Response to Scuba (Original post)

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,135 posts)
16. Yup. But they've got nearly everything they desired and they're still pissed.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:32 PM
Sep 2012

But deep in the OC (Unofficial Republican Headquarters) many Republicans are furious with their OC GOP and won't vote for any of their candidates. Women here are particularly angry. And very actively trying to come up with a solution as they will never be Democrats.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
18. "They have been taught to hate"
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:36 PM
Sep 2012

The main reason for them not caring, HATE! They have been programed for years by the likes of Rush, Beck, fox news, and all the other right wing hate mongers that they "HAVE" to hate the "other" side. Their religious leaders have told them that Jesus wants you to "hate" what is bad, and the spewers of hate on the air waves have used that to target those who are easily swayed because they can "hate" so well.

From what I have seen the over zealous religious fanatics tend to listen to the right wing hate merchants on radio and TV. The peple who would never allow a Mormon into their homes to convert them, watch Glen Beck daily and allow him to "convert" them by the use of hate and insanity. It's easy to gather a "base" as the republicans have by going after the "gullible" people who seem to need others to tell them what is right and what is wrong, who don't really want to think for themselves.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
19. You've nailed it. I saw it last spring when Scott Walker's supporters showed up at the polls ....
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:41 PM
Sep 2012

... for him. He has given them exactly nothing except .... he punished the people they've been taught to hate. That was enough.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
20. pathetic
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:47 PM
Sep 2012

sheeple are pathetic. I just want them to go away, anywhere as soon as possible. The adage came to mind, "don't go away angry, just go away"!!! It fits for me. Crawl in a hole somewhere and quit being the embarrassment that you are. Troglodytes. I hope you go the way of the dinosaur.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
21. They only want to win.. they dont care how.. lying, cheating, stealing, manipulating, etc.
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:50 PM
Sep 2012

that the is the sad state of today's Republican party.

bhikkhu

(10,722 posts)
22. That's an important point!
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 03:56 PM
Sep 2012

They know its mostly lies, but they don't mind, imagining (correctly) that the more they repeat the lies, the more people they can get to believe that they are true. And then the more votes and power he RW gets.

I suppose after awhile they develop the kind of mush-for-brains symptoms that their leadership demonstrates, who show no evidence of having mental structures left to define the words "true" or "false" with.

Then we on our side think that if we can just point out the lies and show enough evidence, they must see what we're talking about and agree. We imagine they are reasonable people who decide things based on evidence and reason...but that's a mistake. You can argue till you're blue in the face and get nowhere with most of them - trust me on that!

The one effective argument I have found focuses on their central worldview, which is the hatred and contempt they have for most of the people in the world. If you can point out their mistakes there (like in Benghazi, where Steven's wasn't dragged through the streets by a mob, he was rushed to the hospital by strangers who risked their lives to save him) and point out how basically good and trustworthy and hardworking most people really are, how most people in the world wish to be as good as we wish ourselves to be in our best imaginings, you can (over time) whittle someone's hatred and contempt to manageable size.

And then at some point the whole ideology that is built on that hate begins to make little sense, and a better world worth working for seems possible.


 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
23. yep, been writing about it forever it seems
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 04:02 PM
Sep 2012

the problem doesn't reside in the "rightwing brain" in terms of structure, but rather the flawed and inconsistent structure/construct of their immorality/amorality that results in such high levels of disgust for their ideological opposition. They live in denial of all the facts that undermine their povs on those matters and more, but most importantly, in denial of who and what they are all that defines them to be.

Deflections, projections, scapegoating, etc, are all denial tools that alleviate their burdens of conscience, and keeps their disgust flowing outward as opposed to inward where it belongs. Lying to themselves is necessary, and the mortar that keeps the wall of denial standing.

The dynamics of it all isn't that much different if at all, from what the German people collectively underwent decades ago.

One can only wonder for example, had it been some politically neutral figure rather than the despised Al Gore, that took the helm of the global warming awareness movement, what that debate would look like now, or the public opinion polls would show on the matter. Similarly, one could wonder what the modern "con" mind would look like, if they weren't on the wrong side of almost every political issue of significance past and present that has led to forward progress and less human misery. Much like the greatest lie the devil is said to have successfully propagated -- that he doesn't exist -- the modern con has to lie to the public and to themselves, to pretend that their sad and sordid record doesn't exist. Their record of failures and the immorality component of much of it, is transmuted by their mental alchemy into successes. This is why despite all the evidence that record represents, they still lay claim to the moral high ground and a monopoly on mensa membership. It's also why they have tolerance for chick-fil-a and muslim-bashing video makers, but no tolerance for those who object to them.

All of which is why I've long been disgusted with, and loathe and despise them. The difference is of course, mine can be justified because it doesn't have bigotry as the proximate cause -- unless intolerance for that kinda intolerance, or hating haters is "identical to on a moral scale, the kinda bigotry they embrace and gladly live with.

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