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cali

(114,904 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:04 AM Sep 2012

Chinese company schedules destruction of ancient Buddhist city in Afghanistan (PLEASE read)

Last edited Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:36 AM - Edit history (1)

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This site is called Mes Aynak and is nothing short of awe-inspiring: a massive walled-in Buddhist city featuring massive temples, monasteries, and thousands of Buddhist statues that managed to survive looters and the Taliban. Holding a key position on the Silk Road, Mes Aynak was also an international hub for traders and pilgrims from all over Asia.

Hundreds of fragile manuscripts detailing daily life at the site are still yet to be excavated. Beneath the Buddhist dwellings is an even older yet-unearthed Bronze age site indicated by several recent archaeological findings.

Mes Aynak is set for destruction at the end of December 2012. All of the temples, monasteries, statues as well as the Bronze age material will all be destroyed by a Chinese government-owned company called China Metallurgical Group Corporation (MCC). Six villages and the mountain range will also be destroyed to create a massive open-pit style copper mine.

In 2007, MCC outbid competitors with a $3 billion bid to lease the area for 30 years. MCC plans to extract over $100 billion worth of copper located directly beneath the Buddhist site. Ironically, the Buddhists were also mining for copper albeit in a more primitive fashion.

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/22/opinion/afghanistan-buddha-site-mine/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

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Chinese company schedules destruction of ancient Buddhist city in Afghanistan (PLEASE read) (Original Post) cali Sep 2012 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #1
First identifying Shrub once again as orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #2
Don't forget the Dick! M_M Sep 2012 #54
Oh no, your right heartless Dick orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #61
I don't know if you meant don't forget the "kick" or littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #76
I don't know. I'll start by contacting my Senators and Rep cali Sep 2012 #3
wiki article: cali Sep 2012 #4
I'm going to keep this kicked cali Sep 2012 #5
thanks for the link, yes please do keep it kicked geckosfeet Sep 2012 #21
Please consider signing the petition to save Mes Aynak cali Sep 2012 #6
Done littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #8
thanks, lmsp. cali Sep 2012 #13
Done, Thanks for posting this orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #15
that's great. let's aim to be up by 100 cali Sep 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #26
Done. nt blaze Sep 2012 #17
Done davidpdx Sep 2012 #19
done Vidar Sep 2012 #25
Done. UnseenUndergrad Sep 2012 #33
Welcome to the DU! littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #103
Done. ceile Sep 2012 #34
done redqueen Sep 2012 #39
Done. n/t PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #40
Done. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #45
Done UnrepentantLiberal Sep 2012 #108
Posted in Science... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #7
I can't read a word you say because I'm assaulted by your animated gif. aquart Sep 2012 #79
Sorry... Read this instead... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #9
Afghans have to stop this Franker65 Sep 2012 #10
China Metallurgical Group Corporation ( MCC ) orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #12
News Coverage in Persian littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #69
I don't speak Persian, but I get the picture. Thank you orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #72
Nice to know our troops are keeping the Chinese miners safe. nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #14
Believe it or not, this isn't far from the truth Donowitz Sep 2012 #30
MCC is a communist Chinese government owned corporation fasttense Sep 2012 #16
State owned corporation doing something greedy? FrodosPet Sep 2012 #58
"MCC plans to extract over $100 billion worth of copper...." Nothing will deter this company/China. WinkyDink Sep 2012 #18
Dirty Chinese 4dsc Sep 2012 #20
That is why the republicons envy them. nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2012 #22
To be rich is glorious or what ever they say there lunasun Sep 2012 #28
and this differs from mountaintop removal in W. Virginia how? nt magical thyme Sep 2012 #67
Are there ancient Buddhist cities on top of Appalachian mountains? JackRiddler Sep 2012 #94
USGS Gold Map littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #110
USGS Gold/Copper Map littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #111
U.S Geological Survey. MichaelMcGuire Oct 2012 #116
I traveled in China for a month...eyeopening.. sybster1000 Sep 2012 #23
No kidding jsr Sep 2012 #27
I've also been to China Donowitz Sep 2012 #29
China is rather interesting in this way. white_wolf Sep 2012 #32
Just ask the folks in Priypat, Ukraine how well the Soviets managed their pollution Taverner Sep 2012 #36
"Special" doesn't mean anything any more. I hate this. Gregorian Sep 2012 #31
The Dominion theocracy orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #62
one mans skies without contrails is another mans four day car ride ;) loli phabay Sep 2012 #70
Can't they just move it??? Taverner Sep 2012 #35
No. They cannot possibly move it. cali Sep 2012 #37
I dunno - hire David Blaine?? Taverner Sep 2012 #38
The primary site covers 100 acres, and the entire site is over 10,000 acres Xithras Sep 2012 #51
kick. please sign the petition. cali Sep 2012 #41
kr nt PufPuf23 Sep 2012 #42
Kick redqueen Sep 2012 #43
We are up 156 on the petition at change.org littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #44
Thank you for the link Smilo Sep 2012 #82
The irony is painful. Taliban destroy ancient Buddha statues for Allah. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #46
it is painful. cali Sep 2012 #47
For what it's worth, I've shared your petition link on facebook. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #48
that's great. thank you so very much. cali Sep 2012 #49
I have now written emails about this to three large German newspapers. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #50
You are wonderful. cali Sep 2012 #52
Update: redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #63
It would be so great if DS ran a story cali Sep 2012 #64
. littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #53
Actually they preserved it for a while and it was a training site for 9/11 under littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #81
UPDATE: Chinese schedule destruction of ancient Buddhist city... TIME SENSITIVE PLEASE READ... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #55
Getting clean energy is a dirty job FrodosPet Sep 2012 #56
Welcome to the DU littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #57
Not yet FrodosPet Sep 2012 #59
Man littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #60
Mes Aynak littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #65
Mes Aynak littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #68
48,265 littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #66
What's with the headline? Prometheus Bound Sep 2012 #71
Please send an IM to cali littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #73
Here is the content of the IM I sent to cali littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #75
I have no interest in the thead being locked. Prometheus Bound Sep 2012 #83
I don't have to use the original headline here in GD. cali Sep 2012 #84
I didn't say you had do. I merely asked why you changed it to all Chinese instead of one company. Prometheus Bound Sep 2012 #85
Oh for fuck's sake. Just to please YOU cali Sep 2012 #86
Six and a half MILLION people play Farmville littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #74
The utter hubris and entitlement of those who would do this is flabbergasting. n/t Fire Walk With Me Sep 2012 #77
Done..nt xiamiam Sep 2012 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #87
48,165 littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #90
489 littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #88
Please Take a Few Moments to Watch This Video littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #89
I wonder how much money Romney is making off of this. bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #91
48,132 littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #92
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TIPPED! littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #97
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travertine ...Calcium-carbonate-encrusted, yet growing moss, early stage of porous travertine littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #99
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No caption needed littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #101
Is this a shot of yours? Whovian Sep 2012 #102
Part of the Story ... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #104
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021437666 n/t littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #105
47,798 of 50,000 still needed... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #106
Can you create a spreadsheet for this... littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #107
1.6/hr littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #109
I'm not sure what to make of this Hutzpa Sep 2012 #112
huh? It's pretty clear. Mes Aynak will be destroyed in order to mine. cali Oct 2012 #120
Petition to President Karzai Update littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #113
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Response to cali (Original post)

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
2. First identifying Shrub once again as
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:22 AM
Sep 2012

maybe the biggest misanthrope since Mesopotamia. You absolutely right about the Ancient civilizations LOST because of War & $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
61. Oh no, your right heartless Dick
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:14 AM
Sep 2012

ran the show, Shrub just worried about where people were supposed to stand for pictures. Dick is one of the most misanthropic public officials we've ever had.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. I don't know. I'll start by contacting my Senators and Rep
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:25 AM
Sep 2012

Starting an online petition? Contacting the State Dept?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
6. Please consider signing the petition to save Mes Aynak
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:44 AM
Sep 2012

No, it probably won't do any good, but voices in opposition to the destruction of this cultural treasure and to the environmental catastrophe in the making should be heard:

http://www.change.org/petitions/president-hamid-karzai-prevent-destruction-of-ancient-site-of-mes-aynak-the-environmental-damage-3

Response to cali (Reply #6)

Response to cali (Reply #24)

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. Done
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:12 AM
Sep 2012

I am also dismayed, but not surprised by this. The Chinese repress religious beliefs, bully the Dali Lama, and support despot dictators.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
79. I can't read a word you say because I'm assaulted by your animated gif.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:43 PM
Sep 2012

What's your goal here? Clarification or pointless distraction?

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
80. Sorry... Read this instead...
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:47 PM
Sep 2012

"Ancient site needs saving not destroying" to quote the CNN article.

http://www.change.org/petitions/president-hamid-karzai-prevent-destruction-of-ancient-site-of-mes-aynak-the-environmental-damage-3

I don't just want to keep this kicked I want to save the relics and the city because that is what it is...an ancient city named after Ezra, believed to be a scholar and scribe. It is a complex and intricate issue as the history of this site is long and complex combing relics from many different religions and having been inhabited by diverse factions from Hebrew-Aramaic Jews to Christians to the Taliban to the Buddhists to now a Chinese Mining company.

Maybe the fact that it was used as a training site for the 9/11 attack is why some want to leave it alone or maybe that is what makes them want to blow it up. Either way it also sits on the site of the aquifer that supplies water to 3 million people, many that are innocent victims with no understanding of what is going on. Please help me. Please ask others you know to help. All we need to do is focus on getting others to sign the petition at change.org. I deeply thank you.

Response to cali (Original post)

Franker65

(299 posts)
10. Afghans have to stop this
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:06 AM
Sep 2012

I wonder if they'd make more money turning this into a tourist destination rather than a copper mind whenever the country gets back to some kind of stability. The Afghans have to stop this from happening.

Donowitz

(19 posts)
30. Believe it or not, this isn't far from the truth
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:03 PM
Sep 2012

The Chinese lobby in America had a huge hand in arguing for Bush to go to war in Afghanistan.

In return they promised kickbacks to American companies, i.e. that they'd sell rare-earths to American corporations at a discount.

China and Wall Street are very close these days. Moreover the Chinese are closing in on the American media and banks no thanks to the Republicans who all made billions off of crooked back-room deals with Beijing.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
16. MCC is a communist Chinese government owned corporation
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:02 AM
Sep 2012

The Chinese government owns, directs and controls this monopolistic corporation. It is the only corporations allowed to make paper in China. It has a monopoly on paper in China and probably a few other monopolies too since the communist party owns it. They are very anti-environment and have been taken to court in other countries for their disregard for the environment.

Though I doubt any petition will make a difference to it's business plans, if word is spread about destroying ancient artifacts, perhaps someone with a more level head will intervene before those artifacts are destroyed.

Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought the worse aspects of capitalism could fit in so well with a communist government.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
58. State owned corporation doing something greedy?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:46 AM
Sep 2012

What could possibly be wrong with giving an entity an economic monopoly backed by the power of the state?

State owned entities are supposed to be true and pure in motivation - looking out for the planet first and the citizenry complete second. Completely transparent, environmentally responsible, free from greed and exploitation.



It amazes me how people think a monopoly backed by the state's ability to confiscate and incarcerate is any better than one in "private" hands.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
18. "MCC plans to extract over $100 billion worth of copper...." Nothing will deter this company/China.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:10 AM
Sep 2012
 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
20. Dirty Chinese
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:35 AM
Sep 2012

I've said it before and I'll keep saying about the Chinese. They don't give a shit about anyone or anything but themselves. They will openly pollute the world around them and could care less about nature.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
28. To be rich is glorious or what ever they say there
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:28 AM
Sep 2012

Repugs are jealous they are such fast learners And highest bidders now

Afghans took the bid - why blame Chinese? they were competing with other corps justhad the highest bid
sounds like somebody was going to do it there

However US is not one to talk,
IMO
Sacred Native grounds and lakes stripped and now the oil locked in shale in NW is just examples within our own country
no respect for Native religion or rights if money is seen in them hills

Money talks so culture has to walk in Afghanistan

Who is propping up their corrupt government is one question

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
94. Are there ancient Buddhist cities on top of Appalachian mountains?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 12:37 AM
Sep 2012

What's your point? MTR bad, mining with additional destruction of ancient city bad.

 

MichaelMcGuire

(1,684 posts)
116. U.S Geological Survey.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 06:44 AM
Oct 2012

Do you have a link to this source. I wonder then its dated from, as USGS can affect policy.











BTW Hope your successful in protecting the historical site.

sybster1000

(88 posts)
23. I traveled in China for a month...eyeopening..
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:49 AM
Sep 2012

The air is unbelievably polluted, the water is polluted, EVERYTHING is for sale, things that should be in museums. No, they won't care about Buddhist relics, they tore own most of their own. Do you want to see unfettered capitalism...go to China..they are turning their nothern parts into a desert and the air is unbreathable.

jsr

(7,712 posts)
27. No kidding
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:21 AM
Sep 2012

I didn't see a lake or river that wasn't green or gray with pollutants. And the air was acrid.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
32. China is rather interesting in this way.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:10 PM
Sep 2012

It's like the entire industrial revolution squeezed into 80 or so years. Russia went through something similar, but they seem to have managed the pollution better, for the most part anyway.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
31. "Special" doesn't mean anything any more. I hate this.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:08 PM
Sep 2012

There is so much that I consider "special". Owls, skies without contrails, all of the cultural accomplishments that humans have created.

Why do some people just think it's all bland and worthy of being crushed. Horrible people.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
70. one mans skies without contrails is another mans four day car ride ;)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 08:31 PM
Sep 2012

Theres a price to pay for everything.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. No. They cannot possibly move it.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:42 PM
Sep 2012

Delicate archaeological sites don't work like that. And how in hell could you do that in three months?

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
51. The primary site covers 100 acres, and the entire site is over 10,000 acres
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:06 PM
Sep 2012

This was once a major city with many monastaries, a military fortress, a commercial city, and residences spread out over a vast area. While there is no way to preserve the outlying areas, the central city is comparable to Pompeii in size and scale, and the fight is to preserve at least that 100 acre central zone. As of now, the entire thing is facing bulldozers.

How do you move Pompeii? Especially considering that 95% of the city is still buried and unexplored? Most of this will be blown up before archaeologists ever get a chance to look at it.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
46. The irony is painful. Taliban destroy ancient Buddha statues for Allah.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:39 AM
Sep 2012

Capitalists destroy entire ancient villages for cash. Each in service of their respective gods...

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
48. For what it's worth, I've shared your petition link on facebook.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:46 AM
Sep 2012

Maybe it will bring some signatures.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
50. I have now written emails about this to three large German newspapers.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:49 PM
Sep 2012

With some luck this will generate some international coverage.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
52. You are wonderful.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:54 PM
Sep 2012

I find this so painful, this wanton destruction. It's a huge loss to the world.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
63. Update:
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:27 AM
Sep 2012

I have written two more emails. One of them to the boulevard newspaper BILD, which I hated doing because they are a disgusting paper but also the most widely read paper in Germany.

DER SPIEGEL has answered my email and said that my suggestion has been received forwarded to the appropriate people. That may not mean much but we will see.

If this doesn't set off some coverage I will write to some politicians.

If we could get some people with other language skills to write to papers in more countries that would be cool (I'm sure a lot of people know French and Spanish on DU).

And: You make me blush. It probably won't be long until I post something dumb again

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
64. It would be so great if DS ran a story
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:38 AM
Sep 2012

and we all post dumb things from time to time.

Thanks for doing all this.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
81. Actually they preserved it for a while and it was a training site for 9/11 under
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:02 PM
Sep 2012

you know who that our outstanding President Barack Obama helped us destroy, to use your word. The city has been preserved and inhabited by many difference people of many religions...and in three months it will be blow up and bull dozed... please sign at: http://www.change.org/petitions/president-hamid-karzai-prevent-destruction-of-ancient-site-of-mes-aynak-the-environmental-damage-3

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
55. UPDATE: Chinese schedule destruction of ancient Buddhist city... TIME SENSITIVE PLEASE READ...
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:08 AM
Sep 2012
The Signatures Are Up but... WE NEED MORE

Cali started this post and I became involved two days ago and the petition has 379 more signatures since we started. Because that is a rate of 5.7272727 signatures an hour. (I think. Is is kind of late and I am doing math with my eyes closed.) I believe this rate is because of DUers being DOers (In the words of the wise Mr. Scorpio) but this cause continues to be a grave and going concern. Thank you to all of you that have signed the petition!
There are roughly 2,280 hours before the mining company starts to blow these relics sky high, expands the copper mining scheme and risks the contamination of the aquifer located here. At a rate of 5.73 signatures per hour with 2,280 hours will give us just over 13 thousand more signatures (if we do not calculate exponentially.) A grand total of 50,000 is needed.
The water, the people, the earth, the relics and the opportunity that we and our progeny may someday be able to say someone I know helped to save this important place for the world. Please go and sign the petition if you have not already and ask all you can to do the same.
I believe we can make this happen. I can see these beautiful things in my minds eye. I would really like to enjoy them up close and personal and have the people that call this place their home continue to have them too. Thank you.


Experts call this one of the premier archaeological treasures in Asia. When mining begins in 2013, this unique heritage site will be destroyed forever. Currently a small team of salvage archaeologists is rushing to save whatever can be removed from the location.
The copper deposit also sits atop the aquifer that supplies water to the surrounding agricultural province and to Kabul, a city with an estimated 3 million inhabitants. Copper mining is hazardous and there is a real threat of a catastrophic environmental disaster if the proper methods of mining are not applied.
So far, NO environmental impact plan and NO mining plan has been made public. There has been NO discussion of variable mining technologies that might allow for portions of the site to be saved. Local residents and the Afghan population have NOT been informed of the costs and significant risks of this endeavor. An atmosphere of secrecy prevails and destruction is scheduled to begin the end of this December.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
56. Getting clean energy is a dirty job
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 02:33 AM
Sep 2012

The world is going to need a HUGE amount of copper, aluminum, and iron ore if we want to cut down the production of greenhouse gases while ending hunger and poverty. Think of the wind turbines - they need copper and rare earth magnets for the generator. Solar needs copper to connect the cells and steel or aluminum structures to physically mount them on. Efficient batteries require lithium, and then there are the lines and towers to carry the power from where it is generated to where it is needed.

But there has to be better places to get them from than this, and better ways than strip mining to get it.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
59. Not yet
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:02 AM
Sep 2012

I am still upset about the destruction of the Buddhas of Bamiyan years ago, so this troubles me. I am considering signing, probably will, and will find other venues to bring awareness, but alas, I don't see it receiving much more than an "Isn't that cute?" from any of the moneyed players.

I hope that I am wrong, that this desecration of ancient history, and poisoning of modern people, is stopped. But at this point in time, while ounce for ounce copper may not be more expensive than gold, as a commodity, it is more useful and necessary.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
60. Man
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:14 AM
Sep 2012

are you ok? ... Go sign the damn petition and get over it. Good grief Charlie Brown.... A friend of mine who happens to be a physician found out recently he has cancer. I was reading the sweety pie crap people were writing on his facebook page and this is what I said to him and I am saying it to you:

Come on People, get out of that silver canoe on the serene lake and jump on your Pamlico pony ... sometimes it is the thunder and lightning that make us appreciate the rainbows but sometimes we just have to ride with abandon through the rain. "Now remember when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb mad dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is." from the movie, "The Outlaw Josey Wales" with Clint Eastwood holds that "aspire to the truth" meaning for me. I know he is a fictional character but there is some truth to aspire to here and the ability to grab your internal fortitude with courage can bring peace. Thank you for inspiring these thoughts.
Did you even read the whole thread? I just read yours. GO SIGN THE PETITION! This is the Democratic Underground. Look around a while. Try not to whine. Ask some compelling questions. But don't expect to attract flies without some honey.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
68. Mes Aynak
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 07:56 PM
Sep 2012
MES AYNAK, Afghanistan — It was another day on the rocky hillside, as archaeologists and laborers dug out statues of Buddha and excavated a sprawling 2,600-year-old Buddhist monastery. A Chinese woman in slacks, carrying an umbrella against the Afghan sun, politely inquired about their progress.

She had more than a passing interest. The woman represents a Chinese company eager to develop the world's second-biggest unexploited copper mine, lying beneath the ruins.

The mine is the centerpiece of China's drive to invest in Afghanistan, a country trying to get its economy off the ground while still mired in war. Beijing's $3.5 billion stake in the mine – the largest foreign investment in Afghanistan by far – gets its foot in the door for future deals to exploit Afghanistan's largely untapped mineral wealth, including iron, gold and cobalt. The Afghan government stands to reap a potential $1.2 billion a year in revenues from the mine, as well as the creation of much-needed jobs.
...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/14/chinese-copper-mine-afghanistan-mes-aynak-_n_783315.html

Prometheus Bound

(3,489 posts)
71. What's with the headline?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 08:32 PM
Sep 2012

It's a Chinese company, not all Chinese.

Why not use the original headline? Seems unnecessarily inflammatory to change it in this way.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
73. Please send an IM to cali
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:11 PM
Sep 2012

for that is who started the thread. I will also do so. It is a very complex and sensitive issue. The history and the occupation of the site is long and intricate. Please help by signing the petition and sharing its plight with others. Thank you.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
75. Here is the content of the IM I sent to cali
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:31 PM
Sep 2012

but I don't think she is logged in right now...

There has been a complaint about our thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021405116 and I say our because I have made this a mission. Please join me first by changing the title of the thread post because some think it maybe in violation of TOS and having the thread locked by a jury would be because the title needs to read:
"Ancient site needs saving not destroying" to quote the CNN article.

I don't just want to keep this kicked I want to save the relics and the city because that is what it is...an ancient city named after Ezra, believed to be a scholar and scribe. It is a complex and intricate issue as the history of this site is long and complex combing relics from many different religions and having been inhabited by diverse factions from Hebrew-Aramaic Jews to Christians to the Taliban to the Buddhists to now a Chinese Mining company.

Maybe the fact that it was used as a training site for the 9/11 attack is why some want to leave it alone or maybe that is what makes them want to blow it up. Either way it also sits on the site of the aquifer that supplies water to 3 million people, many that are innocent victims with no understanding of what is going on. Please help me. Please ask others you know to help. All we need to do is focus on getting others to sign the petition at change.org. I deeply thank you. By the way thanks for opening a can of worms on my plate. (joking) LMSP

Prometheus Bound

(3,489 posts)
83. I have no interest in the thead being locked.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:45 PM
Sep 2012

I agree it is an important thread. Just wanted to point out that the omission of 'company' in the title changed the meaning, probably in a way the poster did not intend.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
84. I don't have to use the original headline here in GD.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:10 AM
Sep 2012

I often don't. It wasn't intended to do anything but draw attention to this impending catastrophe.

And the article makes it quite clear that the company is Chinese:

"Mes Aynak is set for destruction at the end of December 2012. All of the temples, monasteries, statues as well as the Bronze age material will all be destroyed by a Chinese government-owned company called China Metallurgical Group Corporation (MCC). Six villages and the mountain range will also be destroyed to create a massive open-pit style copper mine."

Prometheus Bound

(3,489 posts)
85. I didn't say you had do. I merely asked why you changed it to all Chinese instead of one company.
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:29 AM
Sep 2012

Not one other mention of this story that I was able to find on Google news mislabeled the story like this.

It's important because most readers read only the headline.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
86. Oh for fuck's sake. Just to please YOU
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 03:35 AM
Sep 2012

and curtail your whining, I'll change it.

By the way, too bad you're not concerned about this AND the company is wholly owned and controlled by the Chinese gov't.

Response to cali (Original post)

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
89. Please Take a Few Moments to Watch This Video
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 06:26 AM
Sep 2012

of a city scholars believe has its beginnings during classic antiquity and was founded by a Central Asian nomadic confederation of the AD 5th–6th centuries...The Hephthalites. The Hephthalite Empire was located in the territories of present-day Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and China.

&feature=player_embedded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
97. TIPPED!
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:18 AM
Sep 2012
Our signature rate has just peaked at 16 per hour from our five per hour starting point. .. Clearly I am on this like white on rice. When I saw that the numbers appeared to have begun "going exponential" setting the alarm to wake myself up to check on the petition site I am now thrilled with the trend. I have been in contact with the film maker and he has praised our efforts and wants us to continue. The gratitude I feel is up lifting and I want you to know how much all of you are appreciated and esteemed.


Thank you.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
98. Band -e Ameer National Park
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 03:30 AM
Sep 2012


Band-e Amir in Persian: بند امیر‎, is a series of six deep blue lakes separated by natural dams made of travertine, a mineral deposit. The lakes are situated in the Hindu Kush Mountains of Central Afghanistan at approximately 3000 meters of elevation, west of the famous Buddhas of Bamiyan.
They were created by the carbon dioxide rich water oozing out of the faults and fractures to deposit calcium carbonate precipitate in the form of travertine walls that today store the water of these lakes. Band-e Amir is one of the few rare natural lakes in the world which are created by travertine systems. In 2009, Band-e Amir became Afghanistan's first national park. The lakes are primarily a late spring and summertime tourism destination, as the high elevation central Hazarajat region of Afghanistan is extremely cold in winter, with temperatures reaching as low as -20C.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/hazara/7713922864/in/pool-68983083@N00/

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
100. Brent E. Huffman and Xiaoli Zhou, his wife
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 04:06 AM
Sep 2012

Date of Birth
4 September 1979, Medina, Ohio, USA

Brent E. Huffman is an award winning director and cinematographer of numerous documentaries and TV news stories. His work ranges from documentaries made for Frontline/World on PBS, to Sundance Film Festival award winners, to television series made for The Discovery Channel and The National Geographic Channel, to educational films made for the China Exploration and Research Society.

Huffman has been making social issue documentaries and environmental films for over ten years in Ohio, California, Afghanistan, China, Haiti, and Puerto Rico. These films have gone on to win numerous festival awards including a Primetime Emmy, two Cine Golden Eagle Awards, a College Emmy, a Student Academy Award, and a Grand Jury Award at AFI's Silverdocs 2004 in Washington DC.


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2119365/bio
http://www.germancamera.com/

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
104. Part of the Story ...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:01 PM
Sep 2012
Abdul Qadeer Temore has been tirelessly working at the excavation site in the windswept moonscape of Aynak, Afghanistan for nearly a year. He hasn’t received any pay for the past four months from the Afghan government, but gets daily death threats from the Taliban on his cell phone demanding cash for his life. Abdul pledges he will keep digging until he is forced to quit.
Aynak, a desert region 20 minutes southwest of Kabul, is an archaeological treasure trove of ancient Buddhist artifacts dated at over 2,500 years old. An ancient Buddhist monastery complex, extensive wall frescos, devotional temples known as stupas, and more than 150 Buddha statues comprise a discovery of immense global importance and one of the country's richest historical sites. But it is also a site with a violent and troubled history. It was here that al-Qaeda planned the murderous destruction of 9/11, an event that became the catalyst for the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.
At the same time, Aynak is home to the largest undeveloped copper reserve in the world. Directly beneath the Buddhist site lie mineral deposits worth an estimated $100 billion. Following two years of aggressive bidding, China Metallurgical Group Corporation, a Chinese government-backed mining company, beat out all international competitors and was awarded an exclusive contract in 2008 by the cash-strapped Afghanistan government to exploit the site.
The fate of the ancient Buddhist artifacts hangs in the balance as the Chinese begin planning their destructive open-pit style copper mine.
Under immense international pressure, the Chinese company gave Afghan and French archaeologists three years to excavate and move the artifacts before the copper mine gets underway. But with extremely limited resources, the dedicated archaeologists have made little progress.
“We have only discovered the tip of the iceberg, a mere 10% of the site,” says French specialist Philippe Marquis, who believes this could easily be a ten-year excavation project. Efforts to save and preserve the site have been drastically scaled back to a project whose best hope is now merely to document what is known to exist at the site before the Chinese begin construction, which they are planning to do in 2012. The remaining cultural relics, which are both too large and fragile to be moved or are still underground and thus, undiscovered, will all be destroyed.
The Buddhas of Aynak will follow several main characters to tell this dramatic and multi-layered story: Philippe Marquis, a French archaeologist leading the effort to save the Buddhist statues; Abdul Qadeer Temore, a leading Afghan archeologist at the Afghan National Institute of Archeology working to protect his cultural heritage in Aynak; Liu Wenming, a Chinese manager working for China Metallurgical Group Corporation in the compound at Aynak; and Laura Tedesco, an American archaeologist working for the Kabul-based U.S. Embassy, who is using a million dollars of U.S. military funding to attempt to save the Buddhist ruins.

https://www.facebook.com/buddhasofaynak
Genre Documentary
Studio German Camera Productions
Directed By Brent E. Huffman
Written By Brent E. Huffman
Produced By Executive Producer: Stephen Talbot, Producers: Xiaoli Zhou, Brent E. Huffman

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
107. Can you create a spreadsheet for this...
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 11:22 PM
Sep 2012

48068 0258 hrs
47798 2315 hrs
20.25 Total Hours
270 Signatures

____ Rate per Hour

____ Rate per Day

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
113. Petition to President Karzai Update
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:28 AM
Oct 2012

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:55 PM

47674: 1347

Mon. Oct 01, 2012 0425

14.5 hours

47,566 NEEDED

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