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Last edited Fri Sep 11, 2020, 03:04 PM - Edit history (1)
so sickening. I decided to compare the US numbers to Europes. Europe is comprised of 48 countries with a landmass about the same size as the US although their population is about 2.25x that of the US. Ok, so large places, big populations, and as many different countries as we have states. You would think that with the greater population density and the challenges of trying to co-ordinate responses being much harder across 48 countries than a single one - Europes death rate would be higher.
But:
Europe 285 deaths per million
USA 594 deaths per million
Our rate is TWICE what it is in Europe (and rising). These numbers reflect 100% of the failure of tRump and his administration to take the needed steps to protect our citizens.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)plan and Trump is proud of it.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)countries and territories and other places listed on worldofmeters. I like that site because you can sort by any column such as cases/million or deaths/million or new cases, etc.
[link:https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries|]
Trump always lies.
Permanut
(5,651 posts)Projection of deaths Wednesday if adjusted for population:
France 171
Italy 76
Spain 237
United States 1,206
So if Mango Mussolini says we have the "best" death rate, he must be proud of having the highest number.
gristy
(10,667 posts)Saying it that way is intentional, as are the deaths themselves.
2naSalit
(86,804 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)Median age in Europe (especially Western Europe) is a little higher than the U.S., which means it has an older population, which would be at higher risk of dying d/t COVID-19. If you did did an age-adjustment or standardization of the death rate, I suspect we would look even worse.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)If the USA has approx 340 million population then deaths/million = ~200,000/340, so you can see it's a couple order magnitude greater.
But your main point still stands. The USA response is not just embarassing, it's immoral.
LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)PaulRevere08
(449 posts)I was just so angry after listening to that POS.
LymphocyteLover
(5,654 posts)that would give us only 2100 deaths
Do you mean 5.94 per 10,000?
ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)That stat in the OP must be per 10k, because it's 1% of actual.
KS Toronado
(17,344 posts)It' easy to get confused with numbers & %'s , why politicians use them all the time.
Illumination
(2,458 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)...9 countries with a higher deaths/million population.
Their listing has 150 entries. So there are 140 countries (93.333% of all countries) with a superior death rate to the US.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/
Crunchy Frog
(26,647 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)like "US has best death rate on Tuesdays for people between ages 40 and 50".
KS Toronado
(17,344 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 11, 2020, 04:20 PM - Edit history (2)
Taken from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (9/11/20 2:00pm)
Rank.....................Deaths per million population
#1.......USA----------594
#39.....China-----------3
#76.....S Korea---------7
#124...Thailand--------0.8
#162...Vietnam--------0.4
#174...Taiwan----------0.3
#183...Cambodia------0.0
#205...Laos------------0.0
Taiwan has 1 death per 3,403,600 people, we have 594 per 1 million. And when you consider
the coronavirus started in China and there's 38 countries with more cases now, how did that happen?
I believe China's neighbors listened to and watched what China was doing to control the spread.
Not only did they mask-up, social distance, etc, they take a lot of temperatures in public.
Why in the hell can't we as a nation learn from what's working so well in other countries?
LisaL
(44,974 posts)NT
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)The death rate for people of colour is higher than for whites. The reason is systemic racism: "death by a thousand cuts".
* PoC are less likely to have paid sick days, so they work with other PoC when ill
* With no paid sick days, they don't seek treatment as often or as early
* When they do, their symptoms are more likely to be dismissed or deprecated
. . . because HC providers think they are less smart
. . . ... or think the PoC is running some kind of con
. . . ... or think the PoC is a hypochondriac, etc.
. . . ... or doesn't speak English as well so are exaggerating
* When admitted, they get worse treatment
. . . they have less access to HC advocates outside the hospital on their behalf
. . . they are seen as not as important as some other white person
. . . they suffer badly from triage for ventilators or expensive treatments
. . . ... they, as perhaps a trucker or warehouse guy are thought of as expendable compared to lawyers and executives and occupations more commonly populated with whites
And on and on it goes.
If there is just 1% worse treatment at, say, 1 out every 10 decision/action points, or 50 out of 500 points on the way to death or near-death, each point is undetectable as an incident of racism, but they accumulate by multiplication. 1% is really 99% reversed in probability analysis, and they are multiplied out, so it is 0.99 x 0.99 x 0.99 ... = 0.99 raised to the power of 50 = 0.6050. Reverse that back by subtracting from 1.0 and the result is that they get 40% WORSE treatment overall.
Death by 50 cuts. Not even a thousand.