Divisions Will Deepen And Even Be More Hostile After The Election Because -----

[TheMastersNemesis]

we are now on the version of being a permanently "fractured" nation. And families are becoming split like the Hatfields and the McCoys.

The Denver Post had an article about how Facebook and the Social Media are the new battleground. They showed how even splits among families in the same household are becoming so dicey. And I know of two cases where parents or grandparent, husbands and wives, and sibling are almost viciously split in the same house. And the divisions are showing up on places like Face book.

The recurring theme is that they will be glad when the election is over and things get back to normal. My take is that things will get worse no matter who wins. And Republicans are saying they will get even more hateful of Obama wins. So I see NO PEACE after all the ballots are cast and counted.

I know of one elder couple who have been active Democrats for years and have won awards. These people have a child and in law living in their basement rent free who HATE everything Democratic. They are right wing extremists. So I do not know how you can have a relative in your basement who hate you and your politics.

Fortunately for me we have little family left and no children. I simply would not let a son or daughter accost me about being a Democrat while I am supporting them. I would simply disown them. And I do not see how mixed marriages between a Democrat and Republican even works these days.

[TwilightGardener]

1. My neighbors just put up a Romney sign. Of course, they're elderly

retired military/civil servants, they're getting THEIR Medicare (not a voucher) and all sorts of government bennies--they don't give a shit about anyone younger than they are. Makes me like them less, which is a shame. I hope they see my Obama car magnet.

[TheMastersNemesis]

3. Put Up The Biggest Obama Yard Sign You Can Find And ALL The Democrats Running In Your Area.

[southernyankeebelle]

26. Not all military families are supporting republicans. In fact Obama and Biden are winning

many of the military votes. The Obama/Biden administration has done more then any other administration for the military and they know it. By the way my husband is retired from the military and gets a pension and Tricare. He earned those benefits. We have always voted for dems. Same way our parents who also retired from the military. You know I don't know any senior citizens that is a DEM who is as selffish as your neighbor. A majority of seniors want their children to have social security, and medicare.

[TwilightGardener]

33. My husband is a military retiree too. While our benefits/tricare were earned, I don't

begrudge the rest of non-military America having decent health benefits and a safety net, and I'm sure you don't--but that does not seem to be the case with lots of other military, civil service and retired folks, in my area. Any older person who votes for Romney and his little boy wonder obviously does not give one shit about their children's or granchildren's futures. If they did, they'd see what Romney/Ryan had planned for Medicare, etc. and run screaming the other way.

[southernyankeebelle]

40. I wish this country that everyone could have Medicare for all. I totally agree with you.

I was civil service my and I have several family members in the DC and surrounding areas that are civil service too. Plus anyone who is a retiree should be scared to death to have the republican party represent them. They don't care period.

[JaneyVee]

2. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand

They are unanimous in their hate for me--and I welcome their hatred."-FDR

[jpbollma]

5. My Aunt

is a city commissioner and when she chose to run as a democrat, her own mother accosted her as a baby killer and didn't even speak to her for almost a year. I sincerely don't see where bipartisanship will work anymore. Both sides have dug in. The Republicans definitely are the offending party that started this, but now liberals have dug their heels as well.

[JaneyVee]

8. Because this isn't just a fight over sanity, it's a fight over humanity.

A new worldview is encroaching, in one corner we have those who want to put corporate greed over human need, and in the other corner we have those that want to put human need over corporate greed. Only one of those groups can be sustainable.

[Autumn]

12. Wonderful post JaneyVee

I think you hit it out of the ball park. Thank you.

[gopiscrap]

30. Absolutely

I never talk to a repuke more than I absolutely have to...they are just fuck stain scum on the ass boil of the earth!!!

[uponit7771]

4. Because Dems refuse to highlight conservative assholery...voting against vets is stupid

...but they'll do it cause they can get away with something few will notice

[MannyGoldstein]

6. As soon as *some* party delivers *results*, the divides will dissolve

The US was similarly divided before FDR took office. FDR put people back to work - unemployment dropped by 40% in his first term, and GDP grew faster than 8% per year. The divides evaporated - the top 0.1% hated him, of course, but most everyone else loved him and Democrats ruled the land.

Similarly in pre-Nazi Germany, people were badly divided into warring factions. Folks thought Hitler was a dangerous nut when he became Chancellor, but when he put people back to work, they began to love him - and the rest is history.

As Ben Franklin said, "Well done is better than well said".

For three decades, both political parties have been attacking the 99%, one worse than the other. This has got to stop, and whoever truly stops it will win.

[99Forever]

13. I wish I could rec this response.

That is it, in a nutshell. It MUST come to a stop, and one way or another it will.

[Robb]

7. Wait. You'd disown your children if they were GOPers?

Parenting win!

[derby378]

31. Yeah, I noticed that little nugget, too

My parents are conservatives, as are my brother and my best friend from college. We all understand each other. Disowning one's own kids over politics won't solve a damn thing. Just ask Ben Franklin how well that worked with his own son.

[Mariana]

38. What parenting?

The OP clearly states he or she has no children.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

39. I saw that too

I can't imagine disowning my children over politics...hell, I can't imagine disowning my children over anything.

[BlueCaliDem]

9. They should point out to their child and in-law that they're exactly that what they, as rightwingers

supposedly hate and why they refuse to vote Democratic Party.

They're the stereotypical "socialist" they proclaim to hate. They're living rent-free in the basement while excoriating people who do that as wanting "something for nothing" Democrats.

Unless and until RepubLemmings understand they are the reason why the economy tanked, the rich is getting richer while the poor and middle class are getting poorer by voting in plutocrats hell-bent on getting rid of the U.S. Constitution in order to replace it with a Corporate Charter, they will remain clueless and downright stupid and a danger to democracy.

[AverageJoe90]

17. That is so completely and totally true for many of these cretins, without a DOUBT!

[NBachers]

28. I hope the parents filled out an ironclad will to donate their house to the Democratic Party

I'd be afraid of the trolls in the basement plotting their demise so they can assume ownership of the entire house.

"Upon our death, the trolls in the basement will be immediately evicted, and our house and all our property will be irrevocably donated to the Democratic Party. No challenges to this will will be considered valid or worthy of consideration."

[BlueCaliDem]

34. Hahaha!

I like that! It's funny, but on a serious note, it's probably wise of these people to consider, too.

Knowing Republicans the way I do - the ME-crowd - I have no doubt they're already sticking post-its with their names on each and every item in the house!

[kctim]

10. Political disagreement is not "hate"

"Disowning somebody for having different political beliefs makes one as big an asshole as "disowning" somebody for being gay.

I am a Dem and my wife is a non-religious conservative. Love trumps all else, even the division YOU wish to create.

[2ndAmForComputers]

15. Make up your mind already.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/101762056#post6

[Ikonoklast]

18. Forget it. Two conservatives live at that address.

[2ndAmForComputers]

19. I didn't know that. Can you give me the scoop by PM?

[Ganja Ninja]

11. My younger brother is a Mormon Teabagger.

And my older sister who use to run with all the bad boys in high school and ended up getting pregnant in her junior year of high school has become a hard core, right to life Catholic. They both converse about how much they want Romney to win on Facebook. The FOX & Glenn Beck talking points are accepted by both without question. The rest of my brothers and sisters, nephews, nieces and cousins are Democrats and we avoid politics with them.

[nolabear]

14. With respect, having a b/w view of politics is the problem. We can do better.

Everything I see indicates to me that the younger generation thinks the older one is out of its mind for being so divisive. Yes, stress does create division and it's possible that enormous problems can come up and destroy the country's fragile unity but I think we're seeing death throes of your way of thinking. Please don' even consider disowning a child because they have different political opinions. Children should not be throwaways. That kind of thing can't be undone. Healed, sometimes, but not undone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. 1859

That is all.

[bluestate10]

20. Some on the right are talking Civil War.

I am ok with that, I want to get rid of righties. But as one DU member pointed out, all of are idiots to think that another nation like China or Russia are going to stand aside and let us fight it out, all of us will lose our freedom in a way we don't expect. Everyone except righties are smart enough to understand that DUER's sage words.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. I know and like 1859

we can expect foreign intervention (France and England were deeply involved back then), even mercenary troops. (We have this frankestein created by us... how fast do you think we will see Mercs on both sides and changing sides as fortunes of war and who pays the bills change)

I did not say it would be pleasant or nice. Civil wars are not civil, but I take their dreams of one seriously,

[Posteritatis]

23. Some on the right are *always* talking civil war. (nt)

[1-Old-Man]

22. I think you are wrong and I think the Republican hate machine will collapse with the election

I think the Republicans are going to be beaten bad and that the right wing will shrink dramatically because of it. I see a beginning of a return to normalcy with the next (democratically led) Congress.

[BlueCaliDem]

35. If only that were true.

As we've seen after the 2008 election, the Republican Hate-mongering machine only revved it up - and gave birth to the TeaBaggers that corporate media all too willingly propagated, reporting it as if this is how the entire country thinks. Then we lost BIG TIME in 2010.

Never underestimate the power of hate - especially hate embedded in racism. And we all know the ONLY reason the non-wealthy RepubLemmings vote against their own financial interest and cast their votes for the Republican Party, whine that they hate our social safety net (while they and their families benefit from it) and are against every sane policy the Democrats produce, is because the hatred they have for the minorities (i.i. people of any other shade than pink-skinned) who vote Democratic Party.

It's surprising to know how many RepubLemmings actually LIKE Medicare, social security, Medicaid, food assistance programs, etc. Then the only conclusion I can come up with is, they don't mind if minorities pay into the programs to sustain them, just as long as they don't reap the benefits of them. And that mindset is racism.

[hrmjustin]

24. I am scared of what members of my clan who are gop will say about my posts on FB.

I say this because my friends will argue with them. I hate that.

[AlinPA]

25. Talk of secession might intensify in some red states, but will take a lot of work to make it happen.

They will probably resort to shooting first. Reading a lot of history lately and I see that there has always been political hostility in America.

[coldwaterintheface]

42. Talk of Secession should be happening in the BLUE States

the red states are what is keep the rest of America from moving forward and frankly we would be better off without em.

[Tigress DEM]

27. I don't think so. 4 more years and steady improvement will make a dent. It won't be easy, though.

IF we can take a bunch of DEM seats back and actually get some work done, even if we have to pitch the obstructionist bums out of office for not doing their jobs in order to force new elections, we WILL make progress in these 4 years.

AND PROGRESS will change the way the hostiles behave. DEMs make sure that EVERYBODY gets a decent shake and that will become obvious.

[undeterred]

29. I have one Republican friend.

And she's been a good friend. But the truth is, we stay out of trouble by avoiding the subject of politics altogether. We figured out that we were opposites early on and that we still had a lot in common and wanted to be friends anyway. So I guess in a sense I do understand how people make things work by working at it and thinking before they speak. It makes you realize that some of the differences are just a bunch of talk.

But talk can really hurt. I hate it when people say bigoted things against blacks or gays and even if it isn't about anything that involves me I get angry at the person who is saying it and I think less of them. I understand that they think a certain way and they think its right and I think its wrong.

I think we all have to keep trying though.

[BlueCaliDem]

36. I've given up being friends with Republicans. Sorry.

But I've learned a hard lesson . . . you can lead a Republican/TeaBagger to facts, but you can't make them think.

This is a journey they themselves will have to make for themselves. We have enough sources to fact check and expose Republican propaganda, but if the Republican/TeaBagger refuses to make an effort, nothing will help them change their minds.

It's curious that you mention racism and bigotry when you mentioned your Republican friend. Well, my hypothesis is, the only reason why those people refuse to accept facts, reality, and rational thought when it comes to politics (but have NO problem about having a social safety net - just as long as people of color don't get the same benefits, that is), is because they're racists and bigots and the Democratic Party is a party for all people, including minorities. I can't, for the life of me, think of any other reason why they are so viciously against facts and truth.

[undeterred]

37. Sometimes you meet people who really haven't thought about it very much.

Its worth talking to people who have always tuned out to politics. Start by asking what they value. Almost everyone will say they value health, freedom, education, vacations, a good economy. Start talking about how we get those things... and you can show how voting for Democrats is in their interests.

Everyone likes COBRA and the fact that they can take time off when a family member is sick. Everyone likes medicare. There are tons of things that Democrats have achieved that everyone loves ... people just don't know that democrats and UNIONS made those things possible. I can't think of a damn thing Republicans have achieved.

[Jennicut]

32. My father is a diehard conservative and my mother is a more moderate Republican type.

Both really dislike Obama.. We have huge disagreements and debates but at the end of the day we always agree to love each other no matter what. I think that people are allowed (as stupid as it may be for some to do so) to support who they want in politics. It is like free speech. But I work and support the total defeat of Repubs and the end of the GOP party. They have nothing good to offer America. And for freak sakes, Facebook sucks. It is like being stuck back in high school with the back and forth. And "friending" people. Friending? What am I, 15? Arguing with certain people is not worth my time and I literally detest Facebook.

[reformist2]

41. GOPers will get increasingly bitter because they know their party is dying.

2008 was the watershed election. 2012 will confirm that this new era is for real.

[hfojvt]

43. so you, yourself, are part of the split

You would disown a child over politics?

"accost" you over politics? What does that mean? To be passionate about their politics and to argue forcefully for your side, and against the other side. You could not handle that? And you would use your economic power to stifle any dissenting opinions?

That's pretty harsh.

I would advance these principles.

1. I believe I am right, but I do not, and will try not, to hate those who disagree with me
2. I will not, to the best of my ability, return hate for hate.
3. If there are arguments, I should try to win them with reason - with facts and logic, not any sort of force or coercion.
4. I will also learn from experience, and be able to admit that I do not know many things. We have these debates, and they are about the future. A future which we cannot know. For example, I claim that progressive federal income taxes will be good for this country. If there was a miracle and my plan was tried, I should be ready to face facts if it turns out to be a bad idea. In the same way though, Republicans should be in a spot where those who are honest will admit that the experiment of Reaganomics has failed, and failed badly. But I think we have more civil disagreements if both sides can admit "I might be wrong". I would of course be really surprised if I was, but it could happen. I think it has happened two or three times, maybe even four.

Of course, I am just kidding. There is no way I have been wrong four times. That's impossible. Preposterous. Inconceivable even.