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trof

(54,256 posts)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:18 PM Sep 2012

Dear Mitt: I thought you would know this, but here's why airplane windows don't open.

(DUers: I finally realized that I/we are dealing with an infantile personality.)

Mitt: The reason airplane windows don;t open is twofold.

1. The air noise would be horrific. You'd never be able to hear the sound on the movie.
Or the PA announcements.
This is the explanation I think you're most able to understand, so I put it first.

2. OK, this one involves aerodynamics and physics, so it will take a little more concentration on your part.
Aerodynamics is all about what makes an airplane fly and what happens to it, both inside and outside, when it does.
Physics is about why and how the physical world works.
Remember Newton and the apple?
Yeah, like that.

An airplane's inside air is pressurized. That means that it's kept at a higher pressure than the outside air. I won't try to explain how. it just happens. Trust me.
Why? Because as you get higher the outside air gets 'thinner' and there's therefore LESS oxygen in it. So you have to keep the inside air 'thicker' with more oxygen in it. Otherwise you'd pass out from lack of oxygen. It's a big word...'hypoxia'', but you don't have to remember that.

Until you get to about 10.000' you're OK with outside air. It's thick enough. But ABOVE 10,000' the air starts to get thinner so that's why they pressurize the inside air to make it thicker.
OK?
NOW...if you should open a window at say 35,000 feet ALL the INSIDE high pressure air would try to get OUTSIDE, and all the OUTSIDE air would try to get INSIDE.
Right away you'd notice that you couldn't hear the movie any more. And any papers you had out and your laptop would go with the inside air, OUTSIDE.
Bummer.

This is called an "EXPLOSIVE DECOMPRESSION".
And that's a bad thing.
If you're the guy who rolled down the window you'd probably lose a body part, or be sucked out of the airplane, if you didn't have your seat belt fastened.
That's why it's always a good idea to have your sea belt fastened.
Just in case you're on an airplane where the windows roll down.

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Dear Mitt: I thought you would know this, but here's why airplane windows don't open. (Original Post) trof Sep 2012 OP
Mitt just said this as a distraction...... 33Greeper Sep 2012 #1
I'm post-menopause. Betsy Ross Sep 2012 #40
Mitt is still stuck on twofold. liberal N proud Sep 2012 #2
Yeah, he thinks it's some kind of wallet. NT cognoscere Sep 2012 #35
Wasn't there a James Bond movie years ago.... greatauntoftriplets Sep 2012 #3
It actually happened on an interisland flight in Hawai'i KamaAina Sep 2012 #7
I saw that plane on the tarmac the day after it happened. bluesbassman Sep 2012 #17
Now that you mention that... greatauntoftriplets Sep 2012 #19
It's happened a few times; I don't know if anyone's been sucked out besides that flight attendant. Arugula Latte Sep 2012 #22
Yes. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #36
The next-gen guppies (737s) will be made with a thicker skin panzerfaust Sep 2012 #65
The Boeing in the photo looks like a 737-200. pangaia Sep 2012 #74
Goldfinger got sucked out of the plane at the end of "Goldfinger." tclambert Sep 2012 #33
I believe it depends on the situation: Hissyspit Sep 2012 #37
Thank you. I was certain I remembered something like that in a JB movie. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2012 #42
Airport - the captain gets sucked down the isle towards the hole Merlot Sep 2012 #47
Here is a real life incident where the pilot was sucked out the windscreen... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #53
Wow progressoid Sep 2012 #61
Yep Metro135 Sep 2012 #68
I also remember one of the LATER "Airport" movies... October Sep 2012 #71
Yes, GOLDFINGER. pangaia Sep 2012 #73
I'm surprised he didn't ask for a roof rack on top of the plane for the dog too. TheOther95Percent Sep 2012 #4
Yeah, but why do those namby pamby pilots get ones that open? Brother Buzz Sep 2012 #5
So they can signal their turns pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #6
omg MerryBlooms Sep 2012 #10
You're lucky I'm using someone else's computer MindPilot Sep 2012 #14
This is why we need to be able to rec replies...nt Kalidurga Sep 2012 #20
OK, that's the laugh of the day NBachers Sep 2012 #41
LMAO lalalu Sep 2012 #64
So they can flip the finger at other pilots that cut them off in a holding pattern. -..__... Sep 2012 #55
And then there are days like this... DollarBillHines Sep 2012 #8
Wow! He was Cha Sep 2012 #39
Because windows that open are heavier, more expensive... krispos42 Sep 2012 #9
Windows on jets are not airtight... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #25
The air at high altitude is also cyglet Sep 2012 #11
Yes, you'd have to turn the heat WAY up. trof Sep 2012 #16
You've never had a hot flash when you were on a plane, have you? dflprincess Sep 2012 #48
I am cyglet Sep 2012 #49
It was around 10 above dflprincess Sep 2012 #78
PLS ROLL DOWN YOUR AIRPLANE WINDOW MITTENS!! beachgirl2365 Sep 2012 #12
3. Fire and Oxygen bluemarkers Sep 2012 #13
Plus Liberalagogo Sep 2012 #15
as I posted on another one PatrynXX Sep 2012 #23
Plus that pressure is what makes the air go into your lungs MindPilot Sep 2012 #18
I finally realized cyglet Sep 2012 #21
Yes, I guess we are. trof Sep 2012 #24
here obxhead Sep 2012 #32
Here ya go! greatauntoftriplets Sep 2012 #43
Yep, silverspoon sociopathic idiots both tavalon Sep 2012 #38
As has been mentioned elsewhere.. pangaia Sep 2012 #75
Romney triumphed over a dozen men and one woman. Oh, wait, it's the Republican party. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #26
Oh, that's just sciency evolution talk. If you pray hard enough, it won't happen. valerief Sep 2012 #27
No, no, no. This is NOT the reason why airplane windows don't roll down. The real reason is that mysuzuki2 Sep 2012 #28
You forget cyglet Sep 2012 #50
I got used to that one after many years of driving with kids in the back seat! mysuzuki2 Sep 2012 #59
Maybe Herr Mittens thinks he is the Red Baron flying against Snoopy graham4anything Sep 2012 #29
But, but, how did Ann's clydefrand Sep 2012 #30
the glaring reason for the importance of keeping science in the classroom SemperEadem Sep 2012 #31
Yes a thousand times yes! n/t kathman-duzi Sep 2012 #45
Hypoxia? Does that have anything to do with evolution? tclambert Sep 2012 #34
No, that's "Hyapatia". A HERETIC I AM Sep 2012 #58
You missed one, fine sir... jmowreader Sep 2012 #44
If the windows rolled down, people would constantly be dropping things hedgehog Sep 2012 #46
Yeah, like themselves. valerief Sep 2012 #52
Too bad deafskeptic Sep 2012 #77
Mitt asks, "Why don't planes have windows that open?" valerief Sep 2012 #51
Just think of what Mittens hair would look like Politicalboi Sep 2012 #54
Taxes on the rich are TOO MUCH and that's the real reason that airplanes don't have windows. Lex Sep 2012 #56
Not to mention that it is about MINUS 60 degrees outside the plane BlueStreak Sep 2012 #57
On pressurization, Payne Stewart said it best: "What theahhhhhhh- - - - - - *" HughBeaumont Sep 2012 #60
i LOVE ALL THE 'AIRPORT' 70S SERIES OF FILMS! Miami4Obama Sep 2012 #62
Why did you tell him this!! WHY!! I love yr explanation - but wouldn't it truedelphi Sep 2012 #63
We're being a bit cynical here SpankMe Sep 2012 #66
It's Okay we are Democrats. Bocks Car Sep 2012 #70
Cynical? Moi? Guilty. trof Sep 2012 #76
re:Dear Mitt: I thought you would know this, but here's why airplane windows don't open. allan01 Sep 2012 #67
One of my airplanes has no windows at all! Or doors...or a roof. Bocks Car Sep 2012 #69
Next up... CubicleGuy Sep 2012 #72
brilliant...thanks! Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #79

33Greeper

(188 posts)
1. Mitt just said this as a distraction......
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:21 PM
Sep 2012

The real October Surprise is the IRS Amnesty for Mittens' UBS Swiss Bank Account.

Betsy Ross

(3,147 posts)
40. I'm post-menopause.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:59 PM
Sep 2012

Reading your remark just gave me the best thrill I've had in years. If only the IRS story in October on top of all this. The implications for the future of the GOP are spectacular. Be still my beating heart.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
3. Wasn't there a James Bond movie years ago....
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:23 PM
Sep 2012

where the villain got sucked out of an open airplane window or door? Anyway, that's how I knew what would happen.

Rmoney's explanation is stupid.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
7. It actually happened on an interisland flight in Hawai'i
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:33 PM
Sep 2012

A Boeing 737 belonging to defunct Aloha Airlines had a hole rip open in its fuselage mid-flight. A flight attendant was sucked out of the plane to her death.

bluesbassman

(19,374 posts)
17. I saw that plane on the tarmac the day after it happened.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:05 PM
Sep 2012

They must've been examing it because there was no tarps covering it. Got a picture of it somewhere.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,742 posts)
19. Now that you mention that...
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:07 PM
Sep 2012

I remember the episode. Guess that escaped Rmoney's notice, not that that's difficult.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
22. It's happened a few times; I don't know if anyone's been sucked out besides that flight attendant.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:16 PM
Sep 2012



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panzerfaust

(2,818 posts)
65. The next-gen guppies (737s) will be made with a thicker skin
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:26 PM
Sep 2012

Interesting, as the 737 holds the world's record for deskinning incidents.

Boeing says that the thicker "upgauged" skins are not because the previous skin was too thin - no, it is simply because the new engine configuration on the 737MAX requires it.

Given the very slight difference in the engines, somehow this has a hollow ring to it.

In any event it will likely be 2018-2020 before the new guppies hatch out. Meanwhile, if flying on a 737, might want to bring along a roll of aluminum wrap for in-flight repairs.

And keep those windows closed!






pangaia

(24,324 posts)
74. The Boeing in the photo looks like a 737-200.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 06:35 PM
Sep 2012

Not many of those left and I doubt any are actually in scheduled passenger service, certainly not in any 'industrialized' country.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
33. Goldfinger got sucked out of the plane at the end of "Goldfinger."
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:55 PM
Sep 2012


However, Mythbusters busted this as a myth. The air pressure differential just isn't strong enough to pull a big, fat guy like Goldfinger out a little, tiny aircraft window.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
47. Airport - the captain gets sucked down the isle towards the hole
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:31 PM
Sep 2012

Who of rmoneys age hasn't seen that movie?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
53. Here is a real life incident where the pilot was sucked out the windscreen...
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:06 AM
Sep 2012

... but survived thanks to the flight attendant hanging on to his legs while the plane landed:

October

(3,363 posts)
71. I also remember one of the LATER "Airport" movies...
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 06:01 PM
Sep 2012

wherein character "Joe Patroni" (miraculously NOW a Concorde Captain) opens the window and fires a flair or something...

I remember being so insulted by that scene.

Concorde...Airport 79, I think.

The original was meticulous in research of airlines, airline personnel, etc.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
73. Yes, GOLDFINGER.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 06:32 PM
Sep 2012

Someone around here has posted a link to the scene when he gets sucked out.

BTW, in my not-so-humble- opinion Sean Connery was the ONLY James Bond.
But that's for another election. :&gt

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
4. I'm surprised he didn't ask for a roof rack on top of the plane for the dog too.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:30 PM
Sep 2012

SNL is going to do a skit on the windows thing.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
8. And then there are days like this...
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:34 PM
Sep 2012

BOISE, Idaho -- A flight nurse was sucked out of an airplane at 20,000 feet when the window he was sitting next to suddenly blew out. He was left dangling in the sky, forced to battle 200-miles per hour wind and fight his way back into the plane.

For flight nurse Chris Fogg, June 27th is a day he'll never forget. It began as a part of his routine, transporting a patient to a Seattle hospital aboard a twin-engine piper turbo prop.

But while the plane was cruising at 20,000 feet, disaster struck.

"It was just a big loud bang, a big pop right next to me," Fogg said.

more... http://www.komonews.com/news/8346067.html

Cha

(297,269 posts)
39. Wow! He was
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:46 PM
Sep 2012

actually very Lucky at the end of that day!

That and his headset and his body weight! Scary!

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
9. Because windows that open are heavier, more expensive...
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:45 PM
Sep 2012

...and difficult to seal airtight.

Now, they could make windows that open inward, so that as the plane pressurized as it climbed it would become unopenable, due to the air pressure on it.

But having a 400 mile an hour blast of air through the window while you're below 10,000 feet (either climbing or decending) would be horrifically windy and noisy.

Likewise, waiting on the tarmac for your turn to take off would be ear-splittingly loud as plane after plane pumps tens of thousands of horsepower worth of turbine noise into the air as they went to takeoff power.



Like pretty much all right-wing ideas, it's STOOOPID.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. Windows on jets are not airtight...
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:32 PM
Sep 2012

....if you look you will see it is actually two layers of plastic. There is a small hole in each to allow the pressurized air to flow through.

Think of it this way, say the outside is at 10 psi and the inside is at 20 psi. Instead of having a single layer with the difference of 10 psi on it you have a slight leak that provides pressure between the two layers so the chamber in the center between them is at 15 psi.This makes it so each layer is only subjected to 5 psi.

The numbers I used are just for illustration. Actual sea level is 14.7 and at 30,000 feet it's 4.3. Still, a difference of about 10 psi which doesn't sound like much until you measure it per square foot. You multiply by 144 which works out to 1,440 pounds.

cyglet

(529 posts)
11. The air at high altitude is also
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:57 PM
Sep 2012

very, very cold, even in summer. Even if the air weren't thin, you wouldn't want it open.

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
48. You've never had a hot flash when you were on a plane, have you?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 10:43 PM
Sep 2012

If I could have, I would have been tempted to open it - and even then I probably wouldn't have gotten cool enough. (One of my friends resorted to rolling down all her car windows - in January - in Minneapolis and she still felt too hot.)


dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
78. It was around 10 above
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:35 PM
Sep 2012

not as cold as it could be, but pretty chilly with the windows rolled down.

The funny thing was, she pulled up at stop light and the woman in the car next to her had her driver's side window down. They laughed at each other.

 

beachgirl2365

(111 posts)
12. PLS ROLL DOWN YOUR AIRPLANE WINDOW MITTENS!!
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 06:59 PM
Sep 2012

PLs, PLS, PLS roll your window down Mitt,.........oh, please, please, please,.... just say it's a science experiment,.. please let us know what happens,................... Ok?

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
15. Plus
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:03 PM
Sep 2012

if you left the window open, gremlins could get inside the plane.

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PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
23. as I posted on another one
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:26 PM
Sep 2012

not everything on a james bond film is absurd



albeit give the size of the window how he didn't punch a hole in it I have no idea..
 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
18. Plus that pressure is what makes the air go into your lungs
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:06 PM
Sep 2012

Even if the air outside the plane were pure oxygen, it wouldn't do you any good, because there would be still be insufficient pressure to push it into your lungs.

trof

(54,256 posts)
24. Yes, I guess we are.
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:27 PM
Sep 2012

I'm truly gobsmacked by his statement.
We need a face palm or head smack smilie.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
28. No, no, no. This is NOT the reason why airplane windows don't roll down. The real reason is that
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:38 PM
Sep 2012

if they did all the kids on the plane would be playing with the up/down switch the whole flight. That would be even more annoying than the constant whining and crying.

cyglet

(529 posts)
50. You forget
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:00 AM
Sep 2012

kicking your seat the whole entire flight (and I'm always doing the international ones)...

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
29. Maybe Herr Mittens thinks he is the Red Baron flying against Snoopy
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:39 PM
Sep 2012

btw, the movie Arthur Hailey's Airport" shows what happens if the outside air is suddenly entering the plane after an explosion

Ask Dean Martin's favorite stewardess in the movie (or Van Heflin's character)

(this is the movie Airport, not the later spoof Airplane)

clydefrand

(4,325 posts)
30. But, but, how did Ann's
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:39 PM
Sep 2012

horse fly all the way to England on top of their plane??? My, it must have huge lungs!!!!!!!!!!

Ah, that is why her horse didn't win. I get it now! I'm gettin' old; I just can't think like I used to...ah, when was that?

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
31. the glaring reason for the importance of keeping science in the classroom
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:41 PM
Sep 2012

and religion in the church.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
34. Hypoxia? Does that have anything to do with evolution?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:03 PM
Sep 2012

Are you trying to trick me into believing in evolution? I suppose next you're going to claim global warming isn't a hoax made up by Al Gore in order to hurt the oil industry!

A HERETIC I AM

(24,369 posts)
58. No, that's "Hyapatia".
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:42 AM
Sep 2012

A 1970's & 80's porn star.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyapatia_Lee

Which is SIMILAR to hypoxia and evolution, in that shortness of breath was involved and the evolving of orgasms kicked in.



OK...it's late.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
44. You missed one, fine sir...
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:19 PM
Sep 2012

If the windows rolled down, how would the people on the ground know what snakes were on the plane?

valerief

(53,235 posts)
51. Mitt asks, "Why don't planes have windows that open?"
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:04 AM
Sep 2012

Normal people ask, "Why aren't planes made so they won't burn?"

Of course, we know the answer to the latter question. Regulations.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
56. Taxes on the rich are TOO MUCH and that's the real reason that airplanes don't have windows.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:21 AM
Sep 2012

That, or Obamacare.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
57. Not to mention that it is about MINUS 60 degrees outside the plane
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:35 AM
Sep 2012

Do the words "Payne Stewart" mean anything to you Mitt? Ask your country club pals.

Miami4Obama

(41 posts)
62. i LOVE ALL THE 'AIRPORT' 70S SERIES OF FILMS!
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 03:31 PM
Sep 2012

I started watching them in the late 80s and i love all of them! All airplane movies I watch, I just love them.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
63. Why did you tell him this!! WHY!! I love yr explanation - but wouldn't it
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 03:48 PM
Sep 2012

Have been a lot more fun to have him become the first Presidential Candidate EVER to be done in by Explosive Decompression!!

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
66. We're being a bit cynical here
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:26 PM
Sep 2012

Far be it for me - a liberal DU'er and anti-conservative - to say ANYTHING to mitigate any and all well-deserved criticism of Romney and his Satanic campaign brood, but...lets not get so cynical as to look like a liberal version of Freepers.

Romney never said anything about "rolling down" airplane windows. When he said "...the windows don't open..." that was his little clueless way of referring to some sort of passenger-initiated emergency exit capability through a window (sort of like we see on some buses where you can push windows out as a means of emergency escape).

His statements about oxygen are equally as unsophisticated, but seem to point to a basically correct perception that an airplane cabin is a sealed, air-tight vessel that could become oxygen deficient if people couldn't create an opening somehow. If his statements have been quoted correctly, he really doesn't say anything about opening windows in flight. His thoughts aren't TOTALLY crazy; they're just expressed as a second grader would express them.

I'm not being an apologist for this mind-numbingly insulated, elitist cad. But, we (liberals and DU'ers) are doing exactly what conservative knuckle-draggers do whenever we make a statement slightly less than artfully (like the 'clinging-to-their-guns-and-religion' comment, which was completely true but was attacked relentlessly by morons).

trof

(54,256 posts)
76. Cynical? Moi? Guilty.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 07:01 PM
Sep 2012

But you nailed it with the 'second grader' comment.

I would posit that most folks who have ever flown on an airliner have at least a vague understanding of what would happen if airplane windows could be opened.
Something bad would happen.

"Rolling down" was my interpretation.
Rmoney just said "Open".
Windows in cars 'roll down', so that's the analogy I chose.
Nit picky.
Don't shoot the messenger.

allan01

(1,950 posts)
67. re:Dear Mitt: I thought you would know this, but here's why airplane windows don't open.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 04:29 PM
Sep 2012

nitwit . here is a purrrfect example of explosive decompression.
Effects Of Explosive Cabin Decompression On Crew
This shows a passenger can be ejected by explosive decompression, that is why the B-29 had a cage to keep crew from being shot out is explosive decompression occur

 

Bocks Car

(25 posts)
69. One of my airplanes has no windows at all! Or doors...or a roof.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 05:29 PM
Sep 2012

But then I don't fly it much above 5 or 6 thousand feet high.

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