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still_one

(92,372 posts)
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:54 PM Sep 2020

I don't know if it is speculation or real that Murkowski, Collins, and Romney want no part of having

to vote for a SC nominee before the election, but assuming it is true, who would be the one additional republican that could make it so, and what would Joe Manchin do?

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I don't know if it is speculation or real that Murkowski, Collins, and Romney want no part of having (Original Post) still_one Sep 2020 OP
I have seen other posts here with statements from staff or personal twitter remarks that it is true Thekaspervote Sep 2020 #1
I would have to think that Gardner (CO), who's currently in a tight race... regnaD kciN Sep 2020 #2
Gardner's toast. he has nothing to lose, so not him. uncle ray Sep 2020 #9
we need to see the video of them actually saying such a thing today nt msongs Sep 2020 #3
Agreed still_one Sep 2020 #4
Here is a report about Murkowski BlueMTexpat Sep 2020 #5
Lamar Alexander? crimycarny Sep 2020 #6
But he couldn't bring himself to vote for impeachment ... n/t moonscape Sep 2020 #24
Neither could Collins or Murkowski crimycarny Sep 2020 #27
As far as I know... Salviati Sep 2020 #7
Joe Manchin is a Democrat and would not vote against Democrats in this situation...already Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #8
Good. Then the Democrats should be united in this still_one Sep 2020 #11
Moscow Mitch... orwell Sep 2020 #10
Mainer here Politicalgolfer Sep 2020 #12
Invalidate the election on what grounds? The vote by mail is not going to fly, I would say even still_one Sep 2020 #16
I think the question is... 2naSalit Sep 2020 #22
Collins and her husband have a net worth between two and seven million dollars. Does she really still_one Sep 2020 #25
It's not billions... 2naSalit Sep 2020 #26
That really isn't much these days. PTWB Sep 2020 #28
How does it help us if they won't vote for Trump's nominee before the election? 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2020 #13
Because if all the Democrats vote against trump's nominee's confirmation, they only need four still_one Sep 2020 #14
But what difference does it make if it's before or after the election? 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2020 #17
I think the logic is that if trump wins, it wouldn't matter then if he appoints a SC replacement, still_one Sep 2020 #19
IMO every Repug would vote for a lame duck Trump SC appointment, except maybe Murkowski. 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2020 #21
Sounds Like Complete Speculation sfstaxprep Sep 2020 #15
Come on. Haven't we seen this enough times before? Collins will change her mind. Squinch Sep 2020 #18
How many stab wounds do you need... 2naSalit Sep 2020 #23
As far as I know, Romney is still unconfirmed. JHB Sep 2020 #20

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
2. I would have to think that Gardner (CO), who's currently in a tight race...
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 07:58 PM
Sep 2020

...in a blue state, would want to do all he could to avoid being put on the spot.

Same with Tillis (NC), although, in his state, it may be more of a judgment call as to whether such a decision would help or hurt him.

And there are several vulnerable Republicans up in 2022.

Grassley has previously said that he would wait until after the Inauguration but, then again, so did Graham.

Of course, we may need more than four Republicans to balk if someone like Manchin jumps ship as he did with Kavanaugh.

BlueMTexpat

(15,372 posts)
5. Here is a report about Murkowski
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:10 PM
Sep 2020

even before RBG's death. https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/09/18/alaska-senator-murkowski-said-friday-she-would-not-vote-for-a-justice-ahead-of-election/

Shortly before the announcement that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died Friday, Sen. Lisa Murkowski said in an interview that if she was presented with a vacancy on the court, she would not vote to confirm a nominee before the election.

Ginsburg died in her home in Washington D.C. at the age of 87 of complications from pancreatic cancer.

“I would not vote to confirm a Supreme Court nominee. We are 50 some days away from an election,” she said.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
6. Lamar Alexander?
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:15 PM
Sep 2020

Lamar Alexander is listed as one of the most bipartisan republican senators and also broke ranks with GOP to vote yes to Sotomayor. He is retiring so no pressure to get re-elected.

Who knows. Let’s hope someone shows a profile in courage on the GOP side, something that’s been sorely lacking.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
7. As far as I know...
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:17 PM
Sep 2020

the only senator to make a statement since RBG's death is collins. Everything else is speculation.

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
8. Joe Manchin is a Democrat and would not vote against Democrats in this situation...already
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:17 PM
Sep 2020

said it should wait until after election. When Manchin leaves the Senate likely in 24, he will be replaced with a GOP, we are lucky to have Manchin. Consider there was no way to stop Kavanaugh when Manchin voted for him.

orwell

(7,775 posts)
10. Moscow Mitch...
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:20 PM
Sep 2020

...is cutting deals as we speak to provide "air cover" for senators like Collins who need to be able to act like they are "standing up for principles because they are in tough election fights.

But make no mistake, they will have the votes they need to ram this through.

If we haven't learned this by now we deserve to lose...

They are all lying sacks of shit.

Witness Graham's complete about face today to get an idea how this is going to work out.

To use a football metaphor, the ball is on the 1 inch line and they get 4 tries to punch it in. This is the super bowl for them, secondary to winning the presidential election. Most of the R's would be happy to see Drumpf lose if it means they get a 6-3 court majority. They probably hate him more than we do...

Politicalgolfer

(317 posts)
12. Mainer here
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:21 PM
Sep 2020

Collins will play the part until after the election and then, win or lose, she will give Don everything he wants.....bet within 2 days the whole group of the bastards will put the new justice in even if Don loses because the next step is the SC to invalidate the election!

still_one

(92,372 posts)
16. Invalidate the election on what grounds? The vote by mail is not going to fly, I would say even
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:41 PM
Sep 2020

among the most ideological conservative justices. You have Benjamin Ginsberg, one of the attorney's for bush in the bush v Gore, saying it has no merit

The SC is NOT going to invalidate the election.

If trump loses, and regardless whether she wins or loses her reelection, why would she vote to allow a lame duck president appoint a SC nomination? Is she that vindictive against women's rights?





still_one

(92,372 posts)
25. Collins and her husband have a net worth between two and seven million dollars. Does she really
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 10:04 PM
Sep 2020

need more money?

still_one

(92,372 posts)
14. Because if all the Democrats vote against trump's nominee's confirmation, they only need four
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:27 PM
Sep 2020

republicans to do the same, and the nominee won't be confirmed

It means the next president would get to choose the next supreme court nominee




50 Shades Of Blue

(10,036 posts)
17. But what difference does it make if it's before or after the election?
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:41 PM
Sep 2020

Dems need four Repugs whether it's before or after the election.

still_one

(92,372 posts)
19. I think the logic is that if trump wins, it wouldn't matter then if he appoints a SC replacement,
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:46 PM
Sep 2020

however, if trump loses, I think it is assumed that most would not go for a lame duck president appointment of a SC justice

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,036 posts)
21. IMO every Repug would vote for a lame duck Trump SC appointment, except maybe Murkowski.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:01 PM
Sep 2020

I believe she explicitly specified she wouldn't vote for anyone until after the inauguration.

sfstaxprep

(9,998 posts)
15. Sounds Like Complete Speculation
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:35 PM
Sep 2020

Don Lemon just dissected Collins' statement, and determined that she was saying Nothing.

As usual.

2naSalit

(86,765 posts)
23. How many stab wounds do you need...
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 09:36 PM
Sep 2020

To tell you that she is only backing off to get a good swing on the next stab?

JHB

(37,161 posts)
20. As far as I know, Romney is still unconfirmed.
Sat Sep 19, 2020, 08:54 PM
Sep 2020

The report that he would would not agree to vote on an SC appointment was a tweet from a former Utah state senator who said that's what a high-level Romney insider told him.

That tweet was responded to by Romney's communications director a half hour later calling it "grossly false."

I don't think there has been any new information since those tweets were sent last night.



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