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progree

(10,920 posts)
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:40 AM Sep 2012

Sheesh, a rightie trying to argue that a square meter is about 3 square feet.

Last edited Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)

This is a comments on an article about San Francisco allowing the building of 220 square foot apartments
http://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-could-allow-among-tiniest-apartments-us-201354779.html

ON EDIT: I'm removing this sentence: It would be nice if someone else commented at the above link -- search BlueEarth in the comments section -- so that its not 1-to-1

The article makes these statements:

Under the plan, new apartments could be as small as 220 square feet (20 1/2 square meters) (a little more than double the size of some prison cells), including a kitchen, bathroom and closet, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Schematics for 300-square-foot (27.8-square-meter) units planned for ...


And now the comments:

[font color=blue]Blue Eagle: Must be a Librat writing this article as the lies flow. Either that or this person is in dire need of math lessons. First a meter is approximately 3 feet. Meaning that 220² ft is approximately 73² meters and not 20 1/2² meters. Perhaps they meant cubic feet but in most cases one doesnt count air space when measuring an apartment. I dont know where this person went to school but I would say that he didnt retain much. A standard prison cell is 8x2 which is 16² ft and hardly half of 220² ft even Alcatraz at 9x5 was 45² ft not close to half of 220² ft. 300² ft is 100² meters. 100² ft is 33.3² meters. It isnt difficult math but at the very least one should know the rules and use a calculator if they cant do the 3 times table in their heads. In Europe I have an apartment which is 72² meters that is 216² ft. Its a two bedroom and has a large dining room living room, kitchen, bath and toilet. For two it is a perfect size because it easier to clean. We have a 6² meter balcony with a great view. So you see how misinformation and outright lying can cause a nincompoop to be elected president.[/font]

John O: Well, I'm an engineer. 1 meter = 3.2808 feet. 1 square meter is 3.2808² = 10.764 square feet (just to be clear: 3.2808 X 3.2808 = 10.764). So 220 sq. feet is 220/10.764 = 20.44 square meters, close to 20 1/2 square meters. And nobody educated uses the notation 20 1/2² meters for 20 1/2 square meters. Before you start calling people names "Librats", you ought to at least check with someone who has at least a 5th grade education, or do they teach this stuff in 3rd grade? I forget. I know you righties hate science, but that is no excuse.

[font color = blue]No way engineer. You take the already defined 220² ft and divide 3 to get the meters. You dweeb. Hope I never have to get involved in your structural disasters. Because according to you my little apartment which I can barely walk around is almost 775² ft. God what engineering school did you go to and did you graduate??[/font]

@BlueEagle, sheesh. Look it up, ask your kid, do something! Lets do yards since that's simpler - 1 yard = 3 feet. Right? How many square feet in a square yard? Answer 3 X 3 = 9. That's because a square yard is a square where each side is a yard long (3 feet on each side). A square foot is a square where each side is a foot long. How many of those square feet squares can you fit in a square yard square? Answer 9. Here's a picture of it. Yahoo compresses multiple consecutive blanks into one, so its distorted, but maybe you get the picture.
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Sheesh, a rightie trying to argue that a square meter is about 3 square feet. (Original Post) progree Sep 2012 OP
That's what thinking in one dimension will do to you jberryhill Sep 2012 #1
You live at the Tesseract Arms Apartments? Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #45
It's the damned equal housing laws.... jberryhill Sep 2012 #47
OK, science aside . . . . HughBeaumont Sep 2012 #2
The connection is San Francisco--i.e. anything San Francisco is doing must be a liberal idea-- Moonwalk Sep 2012 #29
Hey Moonwalk, you're good at parsing these things. Here's another from the same comment section progree Sep 2012 #32
There ya go! Small = Liberal and it's all aiming to make us communists Moonwalk Sep 2012 #40
WTF laundry_queen Sep 2012 #57
I guess the idiot doesn't know how to work Google either... SidDithers Sep 2012 #3
Maths is hard. Thank goodness for the Internets. Now I know enough to make a Noo cyu ler bomb n/t progree Sep 2012 #6
Google is a commie symp plot. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #48
That is some PAINFUL math fail. Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #4
Jebus, he also thinks a standard prison cell is 8x2 feet? You couldn't even fit in a cot. denverbill Sep 2012 #5
I thought of that too, but he's slow, so I figured better take it slow - one concept at a time progree Sep 2012 #8
Just right for a narrow mind. Downwinder Sep 2012 #12
That's why you can't explain anything to "these people." Not even worth trying. Hoyt Sep 2012 #7
Ouch. I've heard of people who think science ... surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #9
It's squared. So it's about 3 squared 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #10
Actually 3 ft = 1 meter is a very ROUGH approximation. yellowcanine Sep 2012 #44
In this case forgetting to cube is the larger error 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #46
It is sufficient for pointing out the nature of his mathmatical error... JHB Sep 2012 #62
pretty sad hfojvt Sep 2012 #11
If he said "three-feet squared", he'd be about right, so it could be grammar and usage. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #13
I assume you are kidding. n/t progree Sep 2012 #18
You assume wrong. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #20
There's no way you can read what he wrote and think he has any idea what he's talking about. progree Sep 2012 #21
I have a BA in Math, a MS in CS, and I assure you I can think that. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #33
No evidence of any of that in what either he or you wrote. The other responses on this thread must progree Sep 2012 #34
Being insulting just makes you look mean and stupid. bemildred Sep 2012 #35
Mean? I just said there was no evidence of any of that in what either he or you wrote -- progree Sep 2012 #42
Up to now, you have not even grasped what I'm talking about. bemildred Sep 2012 #49
LOL. Neither has anyone else. I think you are in your own little world on this one. progree Sep 2012 #51
Apparently so. bemildred Sep 2012 #53
WELL WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN IT TO US!@!!!@! progree Sep 2012 #54
I did. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #55
No you didn't. Its a bunch of gibberish. I think you are trying to pull a bunny out of a hat, but progree Sep 2012 #56
Post #13. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #58
Post #13 - exactly, gibberish to everyone but you. nt progree Sep 2012 #59
Nope, no bunny Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #61
Brilliant argument. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #64
You want an argument-- here it is Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #65
But I never disputed that. bemildred Sep 2012 #68
Yes, you were disputing that Blue Eagle is clueless. progree Oct 2012 #69
Ah, a mind reader too, with powers to control others. bemildred Oct 2012 #70
I'm just reading what you wrote and pointing out the inconsistencies. progree Oct 2012 #71
No, because of his own calculation muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #41
No, that wouldn't even be close... Bradical79 Sep 2012 #52
Grade school dropout, obviously. liam_laddie Sep 2012 #14
a "Christian Academy" probably. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #16
A meter is one of those damn French Soshulist things! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #15
Unlike Mr. John O. I would not waste one second of my time trying to chemenger Sep 2012 #17
That is stupidity so pure hifiguy Sep 2012 #19
Homeschooled, obviously TransitJohn Sep 2012 #22
Odds favor public by a wide margin. n/t jtuck004 Sep 2012 #50
Math is hard. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #23
It's not the stupidity. dawg Sep 2012 #24
Idiots are people too!!! Initech Sep 2012 #25
quite the expert on the size of prison cells. i wonder why.... unblock Sep 2012 #26
Brawndo has what plants crave. n/t DefenseLawyer Sep 2012 #27
220 sq ft is indeed a space 10 ft x 22 ft (or a variation thereof). No, it's NOT adequate living kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #28
New York City is OKing 300 sq ft, they even showed a floor plan. Not bad if you have few possessions progree Sep 2012 #31
It serves as "a place for my stuff" (to use Carlin's phrase)... JHB Sep 2012 #63
You really have to go as simple as possible. kentauros Sep 2012 #30
That's hilarious. Or tragic. I'm not sure which. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #36
... Enrique Sep 2012 #37
You can't fix stupid NoPasaran Sep 2012 #38
He made the classic freshman mistake of dividing a 2 dimensional measurement.. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #39
John the engineer is correct here because a square meter is approximately 10.8 square feet. yellowcanine Sep 2012 #43
That is some industrial-strength math illiteracy. MadrasT Sep 2012 #60
It's arithmetic, stupid. PowerToThePeople Sep 2012 #66
I'd love to sell carpet to Blue Eagle Brother Buzz Sep 2012 #67
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. That's what thinking in one dimension will do to you
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:44 AM
Sep 2012

After string theorists proposed that the universe has eleven dimensions, my landlord wanted to raise my rent for all the extra room.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. It's the damned equal housing laws....
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:39 PM
Sep 2012

Nobody can discriminate against non-Euclideans anymore.

The insides of the closets look just like the outsides of the closets, because they are based on a Klein bottle topology.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
2. OK, science aside . . . .
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:47 AM
Sep 2012

. . . what is the connection between President Obama and the measurements of an apartment?? Can we ask the Mighty Blue Douchebag that?

Unbelievable. Bashing for the sake of bashing now. That's what it comes down to.

"How about that Seahawks game yesterday?" "Those ref calls were THE OBAMMUNIST'S FAWLT!!!!1!1!!!!" Makes about as much sense.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
29. The connection is San Francisco--i.e. anything San Francisco is doing must be a liberal idea--
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:18 PM
Sep 2012

Liberal = Obama, so the idea of creating such small apartments is an Obama idea. Which is to say, this rightie is not only failing math but logic (Some cats are black, Obama is black, therefore Obama is a cat...)

Just to add, there really must be some sort of compensation psychosis going on with right-wingers. They always associate anything big with themselves and consider it their right to make things bigger; small things are "liberal" and any attempt to make something smaller is considered a liberal attack on their freedom. From Big Gulps to Mansions to Trucks, it must be big. And if the EPA suggests smaller cars that get better gas mileage or the First Lady suggests that overweight kids should eat less and get slimmer, it's a liberal attack on their freedom.

So, once again, guilt by association. Any suggestion that things be made smaller--especially in a bastion of liberalism like San Francisco--is a liberal conspiracy. And clearly, said liberals are lairs even about how small it's going to be--they want it even smaller those darn sneaky liberals! So says right-wing math.

progree

(10,920 posts)
32. Hey Moonwalk, you're good at parsing these things. Here's another from the same comment section
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:25 PM
Sep 2012

on the same article. All emphasis mine. Chairman Maobama, haven't heard that one before.

[font color=blue]Dennis > pushing us ever closer together where we can be more easily monitored and use less resources. Better yet, just rent bunks in a camp-type setting. We could call it, uh, let's say, a FEMA camp. We can live out our usefulness to the government there and use even less resources. Thank you Chairman Maobama, you are so gracious and we love you. And so it goes.[/font]
7 Replies

John O >
The article says that the resurgent technology industry is making rents in the area so high, not Chairman Maobama. Seems like those 4.6 million private sector jobs created nationwide in the last 30 months is helping. (Compare that to Bush's total 8 year record: 700,000 private sector jobs LOST. Or Governor Etch-a-Sketch's job creation record record in Massachusetts: 47th out of 50th. I hope he wins and jams RomneyCare down your throat and sends your jobs to China (he was a pioneer in outsourcing to China, you know, the land of the late Chairman Mao. Maybe you can join the workers there in the FoxConn riots, LOL).

[font color=blue]Dennis > Blah, blah, blah. Enjoy the Kool-Aid[/font]

John O > Speaking of Kool-Aid - you poor people must be drowning in it supporting that Romney LOL LOL. Duh, why don't airplanes have windows that open? Hey, TEA PARTY fanatics, google "Koch Brothers" if ya wanna see who's really behind your so-called "grass roots" movement.....it's really an "astro turf" job.....do you REALLY think rich corporations and rich people in general actually care about you, do you think they want to hang out with you? You guys are being used, but you're too dopey to even realize it.....the rich are laughing at you; while you champion their lower taxes/no taxes, they're laughing all the way to the bank....When was the last time YOU were able to have a good laugh????

[font color=blue]Dennis > it's so fun to stir up you libtards. Phughc Obama. The three richest people in America, Buffett, Winfrey, and Gates, are all flaming liberals. Your argument loses credibility.[/font]

[font color=purple]Rc > This is callled communism living.[/font]

John O >
@RC - its called a choice. I thought you were all about freedom. I guess not. Sound like maybe you are the Commie.

@Dennis - LOL. What a liar. #1-#10: Bill Gates, Warren Bufett, Larry Ellison, Charles and David Koch, 3 Waltons, Michael Bloomberg. Google: the forbes 400 the richest people in america. [font color=gray](Editorial comment - replace "3 Waltons" with "4 Waltons". And it's Buffett, not Bufett. Strangely at http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/ there is a picture just below the top 10 list that shows 3 and only 3 people from left to right: Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, Warren Buffett. So that's where he got the idea that these are the 3 richest people in America -- or he saw that photo somewhere else, might have been an honest, if sloppy mistake. Actually Oprah is tied with a whole bunch of other peasants at $2.7 Billion, as part of a group ranked 151 through 169)[/font]

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
40. There ya go! Small = Liberal and it's all aiming to make us communists
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 05:34 PM
Sep 2012

No arguing with such self-delusion. The best revenge is making sure Obama wins (and hopefully the Senate & House go Dem), and this poor guy has to suffer four long years (at least!) of unbridled liberalism making his life unbearably better

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
57. WTF
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sep 2012

I thought liberals hated rich people - now we are the richest people? Which is it? Can't have it both ways. So he's saying the rich liberal people want to tax themselves and that poor republicans want tax cuts for the rich to help all the rich liberals? I'm so sure. Morons. Another logic fail.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
5. Jebus, he also thinks a standard prison cell is 8x2 feet? You couldn't even fit in a cot.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 10:59 AM
Sep 2012

No wonder Republickers can't balance a budget when they fail at math so badly.

progree

(10,920 posts)
8. I thought of that too, but he's slow, so I figured better take it slow - one concept at a time
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:09 AM
Sep 2012

Here's part of one of my canned rants that fits the theme of maths is hard, Romney style:

Righties: don't fool yourself that Romney is going to fix things -- all he does is tell you he's going to cut tax rates 20% and other tax breaks that together will cost $5 trillion over a decade, increase core defense spending $2 trillion over a decade, and have balanced budgets -- yeah right, Mr. Wizard...

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. That's why you can't explain anything to "these people." Not even worth trying.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:07 AM
Sep 2012

Worse, if you were to get through to them at some point, they are not embarrassed by their ignorance. They certainly won't apologize for being mistaken.

surrealAmerican

(11,364 posts)
9. Ouch. I've heard of people who think science ...
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:11 AM
Sep 2012

... is some sort of "liberal conspiracy", but math?

What kind of person does their calculation, comes up with different results, and automatically thinks that the numbers must have been a politically-motivated lie?

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
44. Actually 3 ft = 1 meter is a very ROUGH approximation.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 04:30 PM
Sep 2012

And when you square something it squares the error. There is a big difference between 9 square feet and 10.8 square feet.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
46. In this case forgetting to cube is the larger error
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 05:55 PM
Sep 2012

than forgetting the difference between a meter and 3 ft.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
62. It is sufficient for pointing out the nature of his mathmatical error...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 07:06 AM
Sep 2012

...the elementary nature of it, at that. But the guy wasn't content to simply make a simple, sloppy mathematical error, he used it as a vehicle to channel all of his hippie-hate.

And wound up with his vehicle being a clown-car.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
11. pretty sad
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:15 AM
Sep 2012

he got it cogently explained to him and still came back with denial and insults.

But that would seem to follow from his/her philosophy. When you judge people harshly for making mistakes then you cannot admit your own mistakes.

progree

(10,920 posts)
21. There's no way you can read what he wrote and think he has any idea what he's talking about.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:14 PM
Sep 2012

He's correcting this statement: "Under the plan, new apartments could be as small as 220 square feet (20 1/2 square meters)"

with this: "First a meter is approximately 3 feet. Meaning that 220² ft is approximately 73² meters and not 20 1/2² meters."

And this: "You take the already defined 220² ft and divide 3 to get the meters."

Grammar? Usage? Well, usage in the broad sense. There's no way this person understands, for example that 1 square yard is 9 square feet. Do you? The below is a square with each side being a yard in length. It has 9 square feet inside:

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progree

(10,920 posts)
34. No evidence of any of that in what either he or you wrote. The other responses on this thread must
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:35 PM
Sep 2012

perplex you. Was that diagram of the big square with the 9 little squares helpful?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
35. Being insulting just makes you look mean and stupid.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:55 PM
Sep 2012

Claiming nobody could possibly disagree with your opinion isn't really much of an argument either.

progree

(10,920 posts)
42. Mean? I just said there was no evidence of any of that in what either he or you wrote --
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 03:54 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:28 PM - Edit history (1)

-- in response to your[font color=blue] "I have a BA in Math, a MS in CS, and I assure you I can think that."[/font]

It was an honest assessment. And you very definitely haven't assured me of anything. And I'm still waiting and waiting for a glimmer of counter-evidence.

I won't comment on the stupid part, I think we don't need to descend into name-calliing.

[font color=blue]"Claiming nobody could possibly disagree with your opinion isn't really much of an argument either."[/font]

This one isn't anywhere in the realm of "opinion". Its fact. 220 square feet is not approximately 220/3=73 square meters in any way, shape, or form (even accepting that 1 meter is approximately 3 feet, which we're all fine with). In this entire thread you have not given one shred of evidence in anything he wrote that he has any understanding of converting from square feet to square meters, which he was obviously trying to do, and correcting the article writer that it's not about 20 1/2 square meters (which it is) but 73 square meters. See my post #21 above and try to explain to me that there's any possible way he understands the concept. And for the diagram that I hope is helpful.


Please see also #39 and #41 for some other patient explanations by others.


Nor I suppose is the fact that everyone in this thread agrees with me that the rightie is thoroughly ignorant or stupid or both except apparently you ([font color=blue]"If he said "three-feet squared", he'd be about right, so it could be grammar and usage. nt"[/font]) .

If I was a little mean, it was because I was irritated that you keep dragging this out, 3 rounds at that point in time, and by the way making your cognitive skills look more dubious with every attempt to justify yourself or to argue the rightie is "about right" except for grammar and "usage" whatever that is. Well, actually, that sentence was your only attempt in this entire thread at an explanation of how he might be "about right".

Look, we all say dumb things now and then, that's human. I gave you a chance to gracefully fold when I asked "I assume you are kidding" - giving you a chance to look at what he and you wrote again and say "yes I was, LOL", or somesuch. Then we can all have a good-natured laugh and move on. But you choose to keep arguing even though I have no doubt that you knew after a second look that he was completely out to sea.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
49. Up to now, you have not even grasped what I'm talking about.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:47 AM
Sep 2012

And yet you are quite worked up about it.

progree

(10,920 posts)
51. LOL. Neither has anyone else. I think you are in your own little world on this one.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:41 AM
Sep 2012

I asked you in my first response if you were kidding - i.e. if you are playing some word game with what he said.

Have you ever heard of the first law of holes? When in a hole, stop digging.

Again, see #21 and explain how he would be "about right" if he said "three-feet squared"? And how [font color = blue]"First a meter is approximately 3 feet. Meaning that 220² ft is approximately 73² meters and not 20 1/2² meters." [/font] is "about right".

Now if you had meant that if he had divided 220 ft² by "3 feet squared", yes, he would be "about right" (granting him out of kindness the difference between 9 and 10.764), yup. That's obvious to us all. Is that profound insight what I have "not even grasped"? Really?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
53. Apparently so.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:25 PM
Sep 2012

I have read all that, and I do understand it, and I have no comment about it. On the other hand, nobody seems to have grasped the grammatical point that I was making, you all want to go on and on about what an idiot the idiot who said it is, like that was in dispute.

progree

(10,920 posts)
54. WELL WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN IT TO US!@!!!@!
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:37 PM
Sep 2012

[FONT COLOR = BLUE]On the other hand, nobody seems to have grasped the grammatical point that I was making,[/FONT]

(The below was added to #51 in an edit after you posted #53, so you might not have seen it):

Now if you had meant that if he had divided 220 ft² by "3 feet squared", yes, he would be "about right" (granting him out of kindness the difference between 9 and 10.764), yup. That's obvious to us all. Is that profound insight what I have "not even grasped"? Really?


progree

(10,920 posts)
56. No you didn't. Its a bunch of gibberish. I think you are trying to pull a bunny out of a hat, but
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sep 2012

there's no bunny.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
65. You want an argument-- here it is
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:53 AM
Sep 2012

The poster you were having your argument with was absolutely correct in his assertion that the right-winger was clueless about trying to convert two-dimensional English system into one-dimensional metric system. No way to misinterpret what the right-winger wrote.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
68. But I never disputed that.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 05:28 PM
Sep 2012

I'm not defending his math, never did. I was wondering about the source of his error. I used to do a lot of tutoring/mentoring as part of my work.

progree

(10,920 posts)
69. Yes, you were disputing that Blue Eagle is clueless.
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 02:05 AM
Oct 2012

[font color=blue]Bemildred >>13. If he said "three-feet squared", he'd be about right, so it could be grammar and usage. nt[/font]

[font color=purple]Art>> The poster you were having your argument with was absolutely correct in his assertion that the right-winger was clueless about trying to convert two-dimensional English system into one-dimensional metric system. [/font]

[font color=blue]Bemildred >> But I never disputed that.[/font]

It sure seems to me you were arguing that Blue Eagle isn't clueless, that its just a matter of grammar and usage.

[font color=blue]Bemildred >> I used to do a lot of tutoring/mentoring as part of my work.[/font]

Used to. Hmm, that part I can understand.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,385 posts)
41. No, because of his own calculation
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 05:54 PM
Sep 2012

"A standard prison cell is 8x2 which is 16² ft and hardly half of 220² ft even Alcatraz at 9x5 was 45² ft"

He may have put the '²' in the wrong place (and have a bizarre idea of a 'standard prison cell', too narrow to get a bed into), but it's clear that he means "square feet", and that he knows that when you know the lengths of the sides of a rectangle, you multiply them to get the area in square whatever-the-sides-were-measured-in. He also claims "In Europe I have an apartment which is 72² meters that is 216² ft". I don't think he's claiming his apartment is 72 meters on each side. The European apartment will have been described to him as "72 square meters", and he thinks that converts to 216 square feet. He thinks that the SF apartments will be about the same size, instead of one third of the size.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
52. No, that wouldn't even be close...
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:09 PM
Sep 2012

He said "First a meter is approximately 3 feet". It's a rough estimate that only works for an extremely small distance. Not sure how saying 3 feet squared would make a difference. That would be even worse. The more you multiply, the further off he'd be.

chemenger

(1,593 posts)
17. Unlike Mr. John O. I would not waste one second of my time trying to
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:25 AM
Sep 2012

correct a Tightie Rightie's math misunderstandings. They are blissful in their ignorance ... best to leave well enough alone.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
19. That is stupidity so pure
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:50 AM
Sep 2012

that it beggars the imagination. Even math-challenged me knows that a square meter is a little more than nine square feet.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
28. 220 sq ft is indeed a space 10 ft x 22 ft (or a variation thereof). No, it's NOT adequate living
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:12 PM
Sep 2012

space for anyone not incarcerated, as far as I'm concerned. It's about the size of 4 prison cells (assuming cell is 10 ft x 6 ft).

Not sure why it needs such mathematical contortionism to figure out.

300 sq ft is roughly 15 ft x 20 ft (or a variation thereof). Suitable for very temporary transitional housing for the homeless, perhaps.

progree

(10,920 posts)
31. New York City is OKing 300 sq ft, they even showed a floor plan. Not bad if you have few possessions
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:29 PM
Sep 2012

The article was about 2 months ago. Nothing like cooking chili while sitting on the can.

Actually I can (and have) lived in a lot smaller space back in high school (military school) and in college. Since I didn't have all the books and papers and junk I might use one day, it was quite adequate. (One difference though is no kitchen and no bathroom -- those were communal).

JHB

(37,163 posts)
63. It serves as "a place for my stuff" (to use Carlin's phrase)...
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 07:18 AM
Sep 2012

...for people who don't have much stuff.

I think there's a much wider range of people than the homeless that would find some utility for such minimal digs (people starting off, or new to an area and looking for bigger places, etc.).

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
30. You really have to go as simple as possible.
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:28 PM
Sep 2012

I would guess that when he reads "1 yard = 3 feet" what he's truly reading is "1 yard = 3 sq.ft." and not linear feet. Then you can do the simple multiplication tables from there.

I may have to tackle this tonight. As a drafter in the field of mapping, I know a thing or three about area

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
39. He made the classic freshman mistake of dividing a 2 dimensional measurement..
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 05:34 PM
Sep 2012

by a measurement in only 1 dimension.

1 square meter is ~ 9 square feet, not ~ 3 feet. If he wanted to guesstimate, he could divide 220 ft² (not 220² ft as he incorrectly states) by 9 ft².

(1 m)² ~ (3 ft)² << the square is distributed over both the unit and the measurement so 1 m² ~ 9 ft² (not 3 ft²)

(edited for clarity)

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
43. John the engineer is correct here because a square meter is approximately 10.8 square feet.
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 04:27 PM
Sep 2012

I would much rather have the engineer design my apartment than Blue Eagle, who seems to have a very limited understanding of the meaning of exponents.

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