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Last edited Tue Sep 25, 2012, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)
This is a comments on an article about San Francisco allowing the building of 220 square foot apartments
http://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-could-allow-among-tiniest-apartments-us-201354779.html
ON EDIT: I'm removing this sentence: It would be nice if someone else commented at the above link -- search BlueEarth in the comments section -- so that its not 1-to-1
The article makes these statements:
Schematics for 300-square-foot (27.8-square-meter) units planned for ...
And now the comments:
[font color=blue]Blue Eagle: Must be a Librat writing this article as the lies flow. Either that or this person is in dire need of math lessons. First a meter is approximately 3 feet. Meaning that 220² ft is approximately 73² meters and not 20 1/2² meters. Perhaps they meant cubic feet but in most cases one doesnt count air space when measuring an apartment. I dont know where this person went to school but I would say that he didnt retain much. A standard prison cell is 8x2 which is 16² ft and hardly half of 220² ft even Alcatraz at 9x5 was 45² ft not close to half of 220² ft. 300² ft is 100² meters. 100² ft is 33.3² meters. It isnt difficult math but at the very least one should know the rules and use a calculator if they cant do the 3 times table in their heads. In Europe I have an apartment which is 72² meters that is 216² ft. Its a two bedroom and has a large dining room living room, kitchen, bath and toilet. For two it is a perfect size because it easier to clean. We have a 6² meter balcony with a great view. So you see how misinformation and outright lying can cause a nincompoop to be elected president.[/font]
John O: Well, I'm an engineer. 1 meter = 3.2808 feet. 1 square meter is 3.2808² = 10.764 square feet (just to be clear: 3.2808 X 3.2808 = 10.764). So 220 sq. feet is 220/10.764 = 20.44 square meters, close to 20 1/2 square meters. And nobody educated uses the notation 20 1/2² meters for 20 1/2 square meters. Before you start calling people names "Librats", you ought to at least check with someone who has at least a 5th grade education, or do they teach this stuff in 3rd grade? I forget. I know you righties hate science, but that is no excuse.
[font color = blue]No way engineer. You take the already defined 220² ft and divide 3 to get the meters. You dweeb. Hope I never have to get involved in your structural disasters. Because according to you my little apartment which I can barely walk around is almost 775² ft. God what engineering school did you go to and did you graduate??[/font]
@BlueEagle, sheesh. Look it up, ask your kid, do something! Lets do yards since that's simpler - 1 yard = 3 feet. Right? How many square feet in a square yard? Answer 3 X 3 = 9. That's because a square yard is a square where each side is a yard long (3 feet on each side). A square foot is a square where each side is a foot long. How many of those square feet squares can you fit in a square yard square? Answer 9. Here's a picture of it. Yahoo compresses multiple consecutive blanks into one, so its distorted, but maybe you get the picture.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)After string theorists proposed that the universe has eleven dimensions, my landlord wanted to raise my rent for all the extra room.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Love to see what the closets look like.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Nobody can discriminate against non-Euclideans anymore.
The insides of the closets look just like the outsides of the closets, because they are based on a Klein bottle topology.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . what is the connection between President Obama and the measurements of an apartment?? Can we ask the Mighty Blue Douchebag that?
Unbelievable. Bashing for the sake of bashing now. That's what it comes down to.
"How about that Seahawks game yesterday?" "Those ref calls were THE OBAMMUNIST'S FAWLT!!!!1!1!!!!" Makes about as much sense.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)Liberal = Obama, so the idea of creating such small apartments is an Obama idea. Which is to say, this rightie is not only failing math but logic (Some cats are black, Obama is black, therefore Obama is a cat...)
Just to add, there really must be some sort of compensation psychosis going on with right-wingers. They always associate anything big with themselves and consider it their right to make things bigger; small things are "liberal" and any attempt to make something smaller is considered a liberal attack on their freedom. From Big Gulps to Mansions to Trucks, it must be big. And if the EPA suggests smaller cars that get better gas mileage or the First Lady suggests that overweight kids should eat less and get slimmer, it's a liberal attack on their freedom.
So, once again, guilt by association. Any suggestion that things be made smaller--especially in a bastion of liberalism like San Francisco--is a liberal conspiracy. And clearly, said liberals are lairs even about how small it's going to be--they want it even smaller those darn sneaky liberals! So says right-wing math.
progree
(10,920 posts)on the same article. All emphasis mine. Chairman Maobama, haven't heard that one before.
[font color=blue]Dennis > pushing us ever closer together where we can be more easily monitored and use less resources. Better yet, just rent bunks in a camp-type setting. We could call it, uh, let's say, a FEMA camp. We can live out our usefulness to the government there and use even less resources. Thank you Chairman Maobama, you are so gracious and we love you. And so it goes.[/font]
7 Replies
John O >
The article says that the resurgent technology industry is making rents in the area so high, not Chairman Maobama. Seems like those 4.6 million private sector jobs created nationwide in the last 30 months is helping. (Compare that to Bush's total 8 year record: 700,000 private sector jobs LOST. Or Governor Etch-a-Sketch's job creation record record in Massachusetts: 47th out of 50th. I hope he wins and jams RomneyCare down your throat and sends your jobs to China (he was a pioneer in outsourcing to China, you know, the land of the late Chairman Mao. Maybe you can join the workers there in the FoxConn riots, LOL).
[font color=blue]Dennis > Blah, blah, blah. Enjoy the Kool-Aid[/font]
John O > Speaking of Kool-Aid - you poor people must be drowning in it supporting that Romney LOL LOL. Duh, why don't airplanes have windows that open? Hey, TEA PARTY fanatics, google "Koch Brothers" if ya wanna see who's really behind your so-called "grass roots" movement.....it's really an "astro turf" job.....do you REALLY think rich corporations and rich people in general actually care about you, do you think they want to hang out with you? You guys are being used, but you're too dopey to even realize it.....the rich are laughing at you; while you champion their lower taxes/no taxes, they're laughing all the way to the bank....When was the last time YOU were able to have a good laugh????
[font color=blue]Dennis > it's so fun to stir up you libtards. Phughc Obama. The three richest people in America, Buffett, Winfrey, and Gates, are all flaming liberals. Your argument loses credibility.[/font]
[font color=purple]Rc > This is callled communism living.[/font]
John O >
@RC - its called a choice. I thought you were all about freedom. I guess not. Sound like maybe you are the Commie.
@Dennis - LOL. What a liar. #1-#10: Bill Gates, Warren Bufett, Larry Ellison, Charles and David Koch, 3 Waltons, Michael Bloomberg. Google: the forbes 400 the richest people in america. [font color=gray](Editorial comment - replace "3 Waltons" with "4 Waltons". And it's Buffett, not Bufett. Strangely at http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/ there is a picture just below the top 10 list that shows 3 and only 3 people from left to right: Bill Gates, Oprah Winfrey, Warren Buffett. So that's where he got the idea that these are the 3 richest people in America -- or he saw that photo somewhere else, might have been an honest, if sloppy mistake. Actually Oprah is tied with a whole bunch of other peasants at $2.7 Billion, as part of a group ranked 151 through 169)[/font]
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)No arguing with such self-delusion. The best revenge is making sure Obama wins (and hopefully the Senate & House go Dem), and this poor guy has to suffer four long years (at least!) of unbridled liberalism making his life unbearably better
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I thought liberals hated rich people - now we are the richest people? Which is it? Can't have it both ways. So he's saying the rich liberal people want to tax themselves and that poor republicans want tax cuts for the rich to help all the rich liberals? I'm so sure. Morons. Another logic fail.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
progree
(10,920 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,345 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)Wow!
denverbill
(11,489 posts)No wonder Republickers can't balance a budget when they fail at math so badly.
progree
(10,920 posts)Here's part of one of my canned rants that fits the theme of maths is hard, Romney style:
Righties: don't fool yourself that Romney is going to fix things -- all he does is tell you he's going to cut tax rates 20% and other tax breaks that together will cost $5 trillion over a decade, increase core defense spending $2 trillion over a decade, and have balanced budgets -- yeah right, Mr. Wizard...
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Worse, if you were to get through to them at some point, they are not embarrassed by their ignorance. They certainly won't apologize for being mistaken.
surrealAmerican
(11,364 posts)... is some sort of "liberal conspiracy", but math?
What kind of person does their calculation, comes up with different results, and automatically thinks that the numbers must have been a politically-motivated lie?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)People have a hard time with that sort of thing.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)And when you square something it squares the error. There is a big difference between 9 square feet and 10.8 square feet.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)than forgetting the difference between a meter and 3 ft.
JHB
(37,163 posts)...the elementary nature of it, at that. But the guy wasn't content to simply make a simple, sloppy mathematical error, he used it as a vehicle to channel all of his hippie-hate.
And wound up with his vehicle being a clown-car.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)he got it cogently explained to him and still came back with denial and insults.
But that would seem to follow from his/her philosophy. When you judge people harshly for making mistakes then you cannot admit your own mistakes.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)progree
(10,920 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)progree
(10,920 posts)He's correcting this statement: "Under the plan, new apartments could be as small as 220 square feet (20 1/2 square meters)"
with this: "First a meter is approximately 3 feet. Meaning that 220² ft is approximately 73² meters and not 20 1/2² meters."
And this: "You take the already defined 220² ft and divide 3 to get the meters."
Grammar? Usage? Well, usage in the broad sense. There's no way this person understands, for example that 1 square yard is 9 square feet. Do you? The below is a square with each side being a yard in length. It has 9 square feet inside:
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bemildred
(90,061 posts)progree
(10,920 posts)perplex you. Was that diagram of the big square with the 9 little squares helpful?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Claiming nobody could possibly disagree with your opinion isn't really much of an argument either.
progree
(10,920 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 26, 2012, 11:28 PM - Edit history (1)
-- in response to your[font color=blue] "I have a BA in Math, a MS in CS, and I assure you I can think that."[/font]
It was an honest assessment. And you very definitely haven't assured me of anything. And I'm still waiting and waiting for a glimmer of counter-evidence.
I won't comment on the stupid part, I think we don't need to descend into name-calliing.
[font color=blue]"Claiming nobody could possibly disagree with your opinion isn't really much of an argument either."[/font]
This one isn't anywhere in the realm of "opinion". Its fact. 220 square feet is not approximately 220/3=73 square meters in any way, shape, or form (even accepting that 1 meter is approximately 3 feet, which we're all fine with). In this entire thread you have not given one shred of evidence in anything he wrote that he has any understanding of converting from square feet to square meters, which he was obviously trying to do, and correcting the article writer that it's not about 20 1/2 square meters (which it is) but 73 square meters. See my post #21 above and try to explain to me that there's any possible way he understands the concept. And for the diagram that I hope is helpful.
Please see also #39 and #41 for some other patient explanations by others.
Nor I suppose is the fact that everyone in this thread agrees with me that the rightie is thoroughly ignorant or stupid or both except apparently you ([font color=blue]"If he said "three-feet squared", he'd be about right, so it could be grammar and usage. nt"[/font]) .
If I was a little mean, it was because I was irritated that you keep dragging this out, 3 rounds at that point in time, and by the way making your cognitive skills look more dubious with every attempt to justify yourself or to argue the rightie is "about right" except for grammar and "usage" whatever that is. Well, actually, that sentence was your only attempt in this entire thread at an explanation of how he might be "about right".
Look, we all say dumb things now and then, that's human. I gave you a chance to gracefully fold when I asked "I assume you are kidding" - giving you a chance to look at what he and you wrote again and say "yes I was, LOL", or somesuch. Then we can all have a good-natured laugh and move on. But you choose to keep arguing even though I have no doubt that you knew after a second look that he was completely out to sea.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And yet you are quite worked up about it.
progree
(10,920 posts)I asked you in my first response if you were kidding - i.e. if you are playing some word game with what he said.
Have you ever heard of the first law of holes? When in a hole, stop digging.
Again, see #21 and explain how he would be "about right" if he said "three-feet squared"? And how [font color = blue]"First a meter is approximately 3 feet. Meaning that 220² ft is approximately 73² meters and not 20 1/2² meters." [/font] is "about right".
Now if you had meant that if he had divided 220 ft² by "3 feet squared", yes, he would be "about right" (granting him out of kindness the difference between 9 and 10.764), yup. That's obvious to us all. Is that profound insight what I have "not even grasped"? Really?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I have read all that, and I do understand it, and I have no comment about it. On the other hand, nobody seems to have grasped the grammatical point that I was making, you all want to go on and on about what an idiot the idiot who said it is, like that was in dispute.
progree
(10,920 posts)[FONT COLOR = BLUE]On the other hand, nobody seems to have grasped the grammatical point that I was making,[/FONT]
(The below was added to #51 in an edit after you posted #53, so you might not have seen it):
Now if you had meant that if he had divided 220 ft² by "3 feet squared", yes, he would be "about right" (granting him out of kindness the difference between 9 and 10.764), yup. That's obvious to us all. Is that profound insight what I have "not even grasped"? Really?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)progree
(10,920 posts)there's no bunny.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)progree
(10,920 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The poster you were having your argument with was absolutely correct in his assertion that the right-winger was clueless about trying to convert two-dimensional English system into one-dimensional metric system. No way to misinterpret what the right-winger wrote.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I'm not defending his math, never did. I was wondering about the source of his error. I used to do a lot of tutoring/mentoring as part of my work.
progree
(10,920 posts)[font color=blue]Bemildred >>13. If he said "three-feet squared", he'd be about right, so it could be grammar and usage. nt[/font]
[font color=purple]Art>> The poster you were having your argument with was absolutely correct in his assertion that the right-winger was clueless about trying to convert two-dimensional English system into one-dimensional metric system. [/font]
[font color=blue]Bemildred >> But I never disputed that.[/font]
It sure seems to me you were arguing that Blue Eagle isn't clueless, that its just a matter of grammar and usage.
[font color=blue]Bemildred >> I used to do a lot of tutoring/mentoring as part of my work.[/font]
Used to. Hmm, that part I can understand.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)progree
(10,920 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,385 posts)"A standard prison cell is 8x2 which is 16² ft and hardly half of 220² ft even Alcatraz at 9x5 was 45² ft"
He may have put the '²' in the wrong place (and have a bizarre idea of a 'standard prison cell', too narrow to get a bed into), but it's clear that he means "square feet", and that he knows that when you know the lengths of the sides of a rectangle, you multiply them to get the area in square whatever-the-sides-were-measured-in. He also claims "In Europe I have an apartment which is 72² meters that is 216² ft". I don't think he's claiming his apartment is 72 meters on each side. The European apartment will have been described to him as "72 square meters", and he thinks that converts to 216 square feet. He thinks that the SF apartments will be about the same size, instead of one third of the size.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)He said "First a meter is approximately 3 feet". It's a rough estimate that only works for an extremely small distance. Not sure how saying 3 feet squared would make a difference. That would be even worse. The more you multiply, the further off he'd be.
liam_laddie
(1,321 posts)Or maybe a charter school pre-K teacher? Un-feckin-believeable!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)chemenger
(1,593 posts)correct a Tightie Rightie's math misunderstandings. They are blissful in their ignorance ... best to leave well enough alone.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)that it beggars the imagination. Even math-challenged me knows that a square meter is a little more than nine square feet.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)It's the arrogance. It's like they're proud of being ignorant.
Initech
(100,107 posts)unblock
(52,344 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)space for anyone not incarcerated, as far as I'm concerned. It's about the size of 4 prison cells (assuming cell is 10 ft x 6 ft).
Not sure why it needs such mathematical contortionism to figure out.
300 sq ft is roughly 15 ft x 20 ft (or a variation thereof). Suitable for very temporary transitional housing for the homeless, perhaps.
progree
(10,920 posts)The article was about 2 months ago. Nothing like cooking chili while sitting on the can.
Actually I can (and have) lived in a lot smaller space back in high school (military school) and in college. Since I didn't have all the books and papers and junk I might use one day, it was quite adequate. (One difference though is no kitchen and no bathroom -- those were communal).
JHB
(37,163 posts)...for people who don't have much stuff.
I think there's a much wider range of people than the homeless that would find some utility for such minimal digs (people starting off, or new to an area and looking for bigger places, etc.).
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I would guess that when he reads "1 yard = 3 feet" what he's truly reading is "1 yard = 3 sq.ft." and not linear feet. Then you can do the simple multiplication tables from there.
I may have to tackle this tonight. As a drafter in the field of mapping, I know a thing or three about area
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)by a measurement in only 1 dimension.
1 square meter is ~ 9 square feet, not ~ 3 feet. If he wanted to guesstimate, he could divide 220 ft² (not 220² ft as he incorrectly states) by 9 ft².
(1 m)² ~ (3 ft)² << the square is distributed over both the unit and the measurement so 1 m² ~ 9 ft² (not 3 ft²)
(edited for clarity)
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)I would much rather have the engineer design my apartment than Blue Eagle, who seems to have a very limited understanding of the meaning of exponents.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Wow.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Freeper fails at elementary school maths.
Brother Buzz
(36,475 posts)You know what I mean, Vern?