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BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:53 AM Sep 2020

Who is the worse president: Trump or Bush?

Some people have maintained that Trump, as horrible as he is, is not as awful a president as GWB. Bush lied the country into a completely unnecessary war and got hundreds upon thousands of people killed. He probably could have done far more than he did to prevent the 9/11 attacks. And then there’s his massive bungling of Katrina which caused even more deaths.

However, Trump’s death toll is way up there now as well and still rising. Over 200,000 people and counting are now dead thanks to his incompetence and complete indifference to the lives of the citizens he took an oath to protect. And his response to Maria was just as awful, if not more so, than Bush’s to Katrina.

My personal opinion is Trump is the worse of the two. Bush was terrible, but I never got the sense that the damage he created couldn’t be fixed by a future president. Trump has fundamentally changed the country in a way Bush did not and could never have hoped to. He’s made stupidity and hatred things to be proud of for 40% of Americans. He’s done extensive harm to the image and dignity of the Office of the President. He’s replaced intelligent debate and political discourse with childish name calling, lies, and hyperbolic accusations, something that other members of his sick party have been more than happy to go along with. His disgusting mark will still be here even after he’s gone, quite possibly long after.

When Bush left office in 2009, I thought there would never be a worse president than him in my lifetime. It’s unbelievable that it took the country less than a goddamn decade to prove me wrong.

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Who is the worse president: Trump or Bush? (Original Post) BlueStater Sep 2020 OP
I think exactly like you DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #1
Wow, you thought Trump was better until March of 2020????????? nt USALiberal Sep 2020 #20
Killing a few 100,000 people is kinda' of an issue, don't ya think?????????????????? DonaldsRump Sep 2020 #21
The illegal Iraq war was on purpose though Polybius Sep 2020 #29
Trump by far Luciferous Sep 2020 #2
Trump...by FAR! polmaven Sep 2020 #3
I believe this was bdamomma Sep 2020 #32
Trump without a doubt vlyons Sep 2020 #4
Trump wins this in a landslide. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2020 #5
Tough call. It was more than GW Bush. It was Dick Cheney with Karl Rove. no_hypocrisy Sep 2020 #6
Bush was incompetent as president. MontanaFarmer Sep 2020 #7
Bush* isn't a sociopath. Cheney may well be, but I don't think Bush* lacks a conscience, empathy or hlthe2b Sep 2020 #8
Even Cheney played by some rules Drahthaardogs Sep 2020 #16
Trump is beyond being a "bad president . It's the corruption, he is just a horrible person JI7 Sep 2020 #9
There's no contest here. Obviously Trump. AkFemDem Sep 2020 #10
Putin... the real president of America right now. tavernier Sep 2020 #11
dumb and dumber. its a tossup now, tho GW killed more people w/ his wars. taxcuts DURING war pansypoo53219 Sep 2020 #12
Oh... this was a serious question? Zeus69 Sep 2020 #13
trump Gothmog Sep 2020 #14
I'd put Trump with the likes of Harding and Buchanan Kaleva Sep 2020 #15
Before Reagan, I thought it was Nixon... 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2020 #17
Not even close, trump Norbert Sep 2020 #18
Bush should have never been President, but. DemsIn2020 Sep 2020 #19
Nah... Genocidal Racist Andrew Jackson (Trump's dead role model he emulates to go after POC) hlthe2b Sep 2020 #24
It is sad, but Trump is 100x worse than Bush. Sad but true, Bush was terrible. Trump is worse. UCmeNdc Sep 2020 #22
Trump is way worse. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #23
Bush was worse because of the torture he inflicted and the violence he unleashed Blues Heron Sep 2020 #25
Lets see .. you can decide on the following: Le Roi de Pot Sep 2020 #26
Not Close colsohlibgal Sep 2020 #27
No, Dubya just stole an election he would have lost DeminPennswoods Sep 2020 #28
W Bush by far Polybius Sep 2020 #30
Both are bdamomma Sep 2020 #31
Trump is the worst American in history. Period. nt ooky Sep 2020 #33

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. I think exactly like you
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:56 AM
Sep 2020

Until Covid-19, I had W as the worst ever, for so many reasons, but particularly how many folks were killed/injured during the illegal Iraq War.

Trump's complete failures with the pandemic changed that for me. He was so much worse than W, but the lack of deaths gave him a leg up.

Not any more.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
21. Killing a few 100,000 people is kinda' of an issue, don't ya think??????????????????
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:50 AM
Sep 2020

Trump met and exceeded that from March 20.

Polybius

(15,483 posts)
29. The illegal Iraq war was on purpose though
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:55 AM
Sep 2020

Trump handled Covid terribly, but he didn’t start it, it came on its own and spread through incompetence. For that I still have W as far and away the worst.

polmaven

(9,463 posts)
3. Trump...by FAR!
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:57 AM
Sep 2020

He is the American spokesman for Putin, and is now attempting to eliminate our Constitution.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
32. I believe this was
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 10:01 AM
Sep 2020

all premediated by Repig traitors in the Congress and Putin. tRump is their Puppet and Ring Leader. Plus they are getting $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....sigh

and we are not.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
4. Trump without a doubt
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 07:58 AM
Sep 2020

GWBush is stupid and easily led by Cheney. Trump is stupid and criminally corrupt all his life.

no_hypocrisy

(46,192 posts)
6. Tough call. It was more than GW Bush. It was Dick Cheney with Karl Rove.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:07 AM
Sep 2020

Trump is going where Cheney dreamed of going.

I see it as the "next stage" of the transition of democracy to fascism. It's always been there but unable to execute until now. There was the plan to have a coupe d'etat with FDR. There was the Powell Letter. There was Ronald Reagan. It's all been incremental but gaining ground with each new republican administration.

MontanaFarmer

(630 posts)
7. Bush was incompetent as president.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:08 AM
Sep 2020

I never got the sense he had distaste for a giant slice of the country the way trump does. Bush can interact with people he doesn't agree with. He was a very bad president, but nowhere near in league with this guy. We're careening toward minority rule and trump is encouraging it, not fighting it.

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
8. Bush* isn't a sociopath. Cheney may well be, but I don't think Bush* lacks a conscience, empathy or
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:09 AM
Sep 2020

fails to care/distinguish between "right & wrong." I can't forgive his lying us into the Iraq War, but I do believe he has regrets over that today--something Trump would never even consider.

Narcissistic? Sure, like many politicos, but I don't believe GWB* to be a MALIGNANT Narcissist, like Trump.

JI7

(89,271 posts)
9. Trump is beyond being a "bad president . It's the corruption, he is just a horrible person
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:09 AM
Sep 2020

It's just everything.

pansypoo53219

(20,997 posts)
12. dumb and dumber. its a tossup now, tho GW killed more people w/ his wars. taxcuts DURING war
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:17 AM
Sep 2020

but the moron is the LEAST presidential.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,048 posts)
17. Before Reagan, I thought it was Nixon...
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:42 AM
Sep 2020

Before Bush, I thought it was Reagan. Before Trump, I thought it was Bush... Now I think it's Trump. The progression is terrifying, because I never thought anyone could be worse than each of them, and I was proved wrong each time.

Norbert

(6,041 posts)
18. Not even close, trump
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:46 AM
Sep 2020

Dubya had at least some semblance of a personality, and he wasn't a cult president.

 

DemsIn2020

(81 posts)
19. Bush should have never been President, but.
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:47 AM
Sep 2020

He wasn’t a bad guy like Trump is. Bush was actually personable and compassionate.

Nixon was the second worst.

Regan did a lot I disagreed with, but I Really never thought he was terrible.

hlthe2b

(102,376 posts)
24. Nah... Genocidal Racist Andrew Jackson (Trump's dead role model he emulates to go after POC)
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 08:57 AM
Sep 2020

Nixon was corrupt, arguably bigoted and antisemetic, but ihe wasn't a sociopathic monster. And, he was actually competent.

 

Le Roi de Pot

(744 posts)
26. Lets see .. you can decide on the following:
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:13 AM
Sep 2020

Bush killed 100 K innocent Iraqis ... and Trump killed 200k Americans and counting
8.8 million jobs lost during Great Recession- 20.6 Million jobs lost under Covid

Similarities end here .. let's look at differences

Bush made important Health Gains in Africa. Trump called them shithole countries
Bush reacted with Pain when John Lewis critiqued him .. Trump did not send anyone from Whitehouse to John Lewis's Funeral
Bush tried bringing us together post 9-11 (and urged against lashing out against Muslims) - Orange Turd has always divided us


I could go on - you get the point

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
27. Not Close
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:42 AM
Sep 2020

Dubya never hinted he would ignore the results of an election.

This evil clown is by far the most dangerous.....and Bush was not terribly bright but was a Rhodes Scholar compared this Orange would be Dictator.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
28. No, Dubya just stole an election he would have lost
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:51 AM
Sep 2020

He could have called off the Brooks Brothers rioters and his lawyers. He could have said I want all votes counted, but he didn't.

Trump's been terrible because he's been used by the Congressional Rs. If Trump had been elected president with Dems controlling Congress, he'd have gone along with everything they passed and probably would be being praised as one of the best presidents ever. Think about it. All Trump cares about is himself and "winning". He has no philosophy other than that. Think about how much true "winning" he'd be doing if he signed laws that increased and protected social security and medicare, made healthcare better, invested in badly overdue infrastructure updates and building, raised the minimum wage, signed a new voting rights act and generally enacted the Dem agenda. He'd win re-election in a landslide.

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
31. Both are
Thu Sep 24, 2020, 09:58 AM
Sep 2020

Bush invaded Iraq killed its citizens and our troops, and killed our economy, 9/11 happened too, due to he did not read the President Daily Briefing Bin Laden determined to attack the US. Oh, and Hurricane Katrina he did not care about the people who perished.

hmmm......tRump Stole election with the help of an adversary, tRump bounties on American troops, killed 200.000+ Americans on our own soil and killed the economy and our way of life.

They are both losers!!

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