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Some people have maintained that Trump, as horrible as he is, is not as awful a president as GWB. Bush lied the country into a completely unnecessary war and got hundreds upon thousands of people killed. He probably could have done far more than he did to prevent the 9/11 attacks. And then theres his massive bungling of Katrina which caused even more deaths.
However, Trumps death toll is way up there now as well and still rising. Over 200,000 people and counting are now dead thanks to his incompetence and complete indifference to the lives of the citizens he took an oath to protect. And his response to Maria was just as awful, if not more so, than Bushs to Katrina.
My personal opinion is Trump is the worse of the two. Bush was terrible, but I never got the sense that the damage he created couldnt be fixed by a future president. Trump has fundamentally changed the country in a way Bush did not and could never have hoped to. Hes made stupidity and hatred things to be proud of for 40% of Americans. Hes done extensive harm to the image and dignity of the Office of the President. Hes replaced intelligent debate and political discourse with childish name calling, lies, and hyperbolic accusations, something that other members of his sick party have been more than happy to go along with. His disgusting mark will still be here even after hes gone, quite possibly long after.
When Bush left office in 2009, I thought there would never be a worse president than him in my lifetime. Its unbelievable that it took the country less than a goddamn decade to prove me wrong.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Until Covid-19, I had W as the worst ever, for so many reasons, but particularly how many folks were killed/injured during the illegal Iraq War.
Trump's complete failures with the pandemic changed that for me. He was so much worse than W, but the lack of deaths gave him a leg up.
Not any more.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Trump met and exceeded that from March 20.
Polybius
(15,483 posts)Trump handled Covid terribly, but he didnt start it, it came on its own and spread through incompetence. For that I still have W as far and away the worst.
Luciferous
(6,085 posts)polmaven
(9,463 posts)He is the American spokesman for Putin, and is now attempting to eliminate our Constitution.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)all premediated by Repig traitors in the Congress and Putin. tRump is their Puppet and Ring Leader. Plus they are getting $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....sigh
and we are not.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)GWBush is stupid and easily led by Cheney. Trump is stupid and criminally corrupt all his life.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Worst. Ever.
no_hypocrisy
(46,192 posts)Trump is going where Cheney dreamed of going.
I see it as the "next stage" of the transition of democracy to fascism. It's always been there but unable to execute until now. There was the plan to have a coupe d'etat with FDR. There was the Powell Letter. There was Ronald Reagan. It's all been incremental but gaining ground with each new republican administration.
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)I never got the sense he had distaste for a giant slice of the country the way trump does. Bush can interact with people he doesn't agree with. He was a very bad president, but nowhere near in league with this guy. We're careening toward minority rule and trump is encouraging it, not fighting it.
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)fails to care/distinguish between "right & wrong." I can't forgive his lying us into the Iraq War, but I do believe he has regrets over that today--something Trump would never even consider.
Narcissistic? Sure, like many politicos, but I don't believe GWB* to be a MALIGNANT Narcissist, like Trump.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Trump is purely Machiavellian
JI7
(89,271 posts)It's just everything.
AkFemDem
(1,836 posts)tavernier
(12,401 posts)Trump is only a puppet.
pansypoo53219
(20,997 posts)but the moron is the LEAST presidential.
Zeus69
(391 posts)NT
Gothmog
(145,567 posts)Kaleva
(36,351 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,048 posts)Before Bush, I thought it was Reagan. Before Trump, I thought it was Bush... Now I think it's Trump. The progression is terrifying, because I never thought anyone could be worse than each of them, and I was proved wrong each time.
Norbert
(6,041 posts)Dubya had at least some semblance of a personality, and he wasn't a cult president.
DemsIn2020
(81 posts)He wasnt a bad guy like Trump is. Bush was actually personable and compassionate.
Nixon was the second worst.
Regan did a lot I disagreed with, but I Really never thought he was terrible.
hlthe2b
(102,376 posts)Nixon was corrupt, arguably bigoted and antisemetic, but ihe wasn't a sociopathic monster. And, he was actually competent.
UCmeNdc
(9,601 posts)Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)Le Roi de Pot
(744 posts)Bush killed 100 K innocent Iraqis ... and Trump killed 200k Americans and counting
8.8 million jobs lost during Great Recession- 20.6 Million jobs lost under Covid
Similarities end here .. let's look at differences
Bush made important Health Gains in Africa. Trump called them shithole countries
Bush reacted with Pain when John Lewis critiqued him .. Trump did not send anyone from Whitehouse to John Lewis's Funeral
Bush tried bringing us together post 9-11 (and urged against lashing out against Muslims) - Orange Turd has always divided us
I could go on - you get the point
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Dubya never hinted he would ignore the results of an election.
This evil clown is by far the most dangerous.....and Bush was not terribly bright but was a Rhodes Scholar compared this Orange would be Dictator.
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)He could have called off the Brooks Brothers rioters and his lawyers. He could have said I want all votes counted, but he didn't.
Trump's been terrible because he's been used by the Congressional Rs. If Trump had been elected president with Dems controlling Congress, he'd have gone along with everything they passed and probably would be being praised as one of the best presidents ever. Think about it. All Trump cares about is himself and "winning". He has no philosophy other than that. Think about how much true "winning" he'd be doing if he signed laws that increased and protected social security and medicare, made healthcare better, invested in badly overdue infrastructure updates and building, raised the minimum wage, signed a new voting rights act and generally enacted the Dem agenda. He'd win re-election in a landslide.
Polybius
(15,483 posts)Illegal wars and several hundred thousand Iraqis dead is just one of many reasons.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)Bush invaded Iraq killed its citizens and our troops, and killed our economy, 9/11 happened too, due to he did not read the President Daily Briefing Bin Laden determined to attack the US. Oh, and Hurricane Katrina he did not care about the people who perished.
hmmm......tRump Stole election with the help of an adversary, tRump bounties on American troops, killed 200.000+ Americans on our own soil and killed the economy and our way of life.
They are both losers!!