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(46,045 posts)I've always admired my parents, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the Pope
I've always admired my parents, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the Pope
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)wryter2000
(46,045 posts)But that was the point. A comma can change the meaning of a sentence. My second examples are better.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,939 posts)The first merely states admiration for both individuals.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)Parents, RGB, and the pope.
GOPBasher
(7,403 posts)1. Today I watched YouTube videos of the president, a fascist, and a traitor.
2. Today I watched YouTube videos of the president, a fascist and a traitor.
Without consistent use of the Oxford comma, that last statement is ambiguous. You might think I'm talking about 3 different people.
Cirque du So-What
(25,939 posts)I actually like the second sentence better.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)The first could mean Trump, Stephen Miller, and Michael Flynn.
The second could just be Trump.
I'm not sure which I think is 'better' - I guess it depends on the context and who is being designated.
GOPBasher
(7,403 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,201 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)hlthe2b
(102,278 posts)Tough!
Oh, and...
erronis
(15,260 posts)In fact I usually end every thing I send out with ...
(I think it means that I have more to say...)
StarryNite
(9,445 posts)I love 'em...I use them all the time...
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)too!
But I sometimes allow my dot count to ..... runneth over!
wryter2000
(46,045 posts)Plus I use a lot of em dashes in my fiction.
If George was telling the truth--and it appeared he was--they were in a lot of trouble.
I don't know how to put an em dash in a post here, so I used two dashes.
Alacritous Crier
(3,816 posts)I know on a Mac it's option/shift/dash
Cirque du So-What
(25,939 posts)There are instances where absolutely nothing else works as well.
stopdiggin
(11,308 posts)there was no hope .. and I was heading to usage/grammar purgatory (or at least lunch room detention) ...
I am validated! ------ ------
tavernier
(12,388 posts)to the railroad tracks... and then... ...
ellie
(6,929 posts)captain queeg
(10,198 posts)Was talking with my son who just started college. He said the Oxford comma was the only thing he got out of HS English class.
TheBlackAdder
(28,201 posts).
Almost all writing styles use the Oxford comma, which is knows as a serial or series comma.
Unless you are writing a news article or your professor instructs not to use it, it's best to include it.
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LuckyCharms
(17,440 posts)But I remember that I was taught in grade school not to use a comma when you get to the last "thing" in the group.
So now I'm paranoid about typing a sentence as shown in the first example because I'm afraid a teacher is going to come over and whack me on the head with a metal chalk holder.
captain queeg
(10,198 posts)Of course even public schools when I was a kid allowed corporal punishment. Whacks with a paddle from teachers or principals. But I had a science teacher in 6th grade who used to go off, and hed throw whatever was handy at you. Usually it was a board eraser but sometimes he yank a shoe off and throw it at you. The worst were the Lincoln book ends he had in his desk. Hollow metal but probably 8 inches tall. He never hit anyone with it in my class but that could have done some serious injury. Hed never last nowadays but I guess we didnt know enough to have a parent complain.
Ms. Toad
(34,073 posts)Omitting the comma can change the meaning of the sentence. Including it in a list never does.
hunter
(38,313 posts)If I let my OCD perfectionism in on my writing I don't write anything.
I also like to believe I'm participating in the evolution of our language.
A language that is pinned down by too many rules can't evolve.
English is so widespread because it is promiscuous. It will hop into bed with anyone and pick up their habits, sometimes for the worse, but mostly for the better.
wryter2000
(46,045 posts)"Me and Jeff went to lunch" standard, the perpetrator should be hanged from the tallest tree and left so the ravens can eat his flesh.
hunter
(38,313 posts)The English Chair at my university didn't like me. She wouldn't sign off on my minor. I don't blame her. I was crazy.
A dean of my college pencil whipped me thru because he wanted me to go away. He said, "Hunter, I think you should go to graduate school... but NOT HERE!" (The first time I was "asked" to take time off from university was for fighting with one of his teaching assistants...)
After about a year working in a medical lab I got a job teaching science in a big city.
Half the kids in my classes could hardly read and write.
I cheered these students on whenever they wrote ANYTHING, encouraging them write more.
The lost kids wrote nothing.
I met my wife teaching.
High expectations work in some situations. My own children are high achievers who rejected academic scholarships to schools of the sort unscrupulous parents pay half a million dollars to get their own kids into.
It's the children and adults who write nothing we have to worry about. Are they afraid to write? How did that happen?
I loved my seventh and eighth grade English teachers, in spite of the "C"s and "U"s (unsatisfactories) they gave me, but maybe I'm a masochist.
I quit high school but it wasn't anything my English teachers did.
wryter2000
(46,045 posts)But educated adults. In any case, my post was about an authority making it standard.
Disaffected
(4,554 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)I just started using it about 6 months ago. I like Grammarly.