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I'm using grammarly. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 OP
Grammarly must be my soulmate, then wryter2000 Sep 2020 #1
Clearly different meanings. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #3
Sorry I edited my post wryter2000 Sep 2020 #4
How did adding the Oxford Comma change the meaning in this instance? DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2020 #5
The second version implies that the writer's parents are RBG & the pope Cirque du So-What Sep 2020 #8
States admiration for all 4 individuals: Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #23
Ahh, the Oxford comma. GOPBasher Sep 2020 #6
Despite my appreciation of the Oxford comma, Cirque du So-What Sep 2020 #9
The second sentence can stand alone csziggy Sep 2020 #12
Ditto. GOPBasher Sep 2020 #33
Commas are also for pacing. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #16
It's like the "eats, shoots and leaves" book lol. cwydro Sep 2020 #30
It absolutely HATES my ellipses! LOL hlthe2b Sep 2020 #2
I love my ... And my ---, and randomly scattered semi-colonoscopies. erronis Sep 2020 #7
ellipsis StarryNite Sep 2020 #11
Me... A HERETIC I AM Sep 2020 #18
Me, too wryter2000 Sep 2020 #19
Me too . . . Alacritous Crier Sep 2020 #21
I couldn't get through the day without a couple of well-placed ellipses Cirque du So-What Sep 2020 #10
thanks! after years of being pretty sure stopdiggin Sep 2020 #15
...and then he tied her up... tavernier Sep 2020 #31
It really does! ellie Sep 2020 #13
I'd never heard of the Oxford comma till recently. captain queeg Sep 2020 #14
It's the one you want to stay with unless you're using the Associated Press Stylebook. TheBlackAdder Sep 2020 #17
The first sentence reads better to me. LuckyCharms Sep 2020 #20
Catholic school? captain queeg Sep 2020 #22
Whoever told you that was wrong. Ms. Toad Sep 2020 #24
I just blast the words out and hope for the best. hunter Sep 2020 #25
If someone ever makes wryter2000 Sep 2020 #26
I have a fancy university Biology degree with a minor in English. hunter Sep 2020 #27
I guess I'm not talking about children wryter2000 Sep 2020 #32
+ a googleplex n/t Disaffected Sep 2020 #29
We never used the comma before the and back in the 50s. marie999 Sep 2020 #28

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
1. Grammarly must be my soulmate, then
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:44 PM
Sep 2020

I've always admired my parents, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and the Pope
I've always admired my parents, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the Pope

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
4. Sorry I edited my post
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 12:47 PM
Sep 2020

But that was the point. A comma can change the meaning of a sentence. My second examples are better.

Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
8. The second version implies that the writer's parents are RBG & the pope
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:13 PM
Sep 2020

The first merely states admiration for both individuals.

GOPBasher

(7,403 posts)
6. Ahh, the Oxford comma.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:01 PM
Sep 2020

1. Today I watched YouTube videos of the president, a fascist, and a traitor.
2. Today I watched YouTube videos of the president, a fascist and a traitor.

Without consistent use of the Oxford comma, that last statement is ambiguous. You might think I'm talking about 3 different people.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
12. The second sentence can stand alone
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:23 PM
Sep 2020

The first could mean Trump, Stephen Miller, and Michael Flynn.

The second could just be Trump.

I'm not sure which I think is 'better' - I guess it depends on the context and who is being designated.

erronis

(15,260 posts)
7. I love my ... And my ---, and randomly scattered semi-colonoscopies.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:07 PM
Sep 2020

In fact I usually end every thing I send out with ...
(I think it means that I have more to say...)

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
19. Me, too
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 02:34 PM
Sep 2020

Plus I use a lot of em dashes in my fiction.

If George was telling the truth--and it appeared he was--they were in a lot of trouble.

I don't know how to put an em dash in a post here, so I used two dashes.

Cirque du So-What

(25,939 posts)
10. I couldn't get through the day without a couple of well-placed ellipses
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:17 PM
Sep 2020

There are instances where absolutely nothing else works as well.

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
15. thanks! after years of being pretty sure
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:46 PM
Sep 2020

there was no hope .. and I was heading to usage/grammar purgatory (or at least lunch room detention) ...
I am validated! ------ ------

captain queeg

(10,198 posts)
14. I'd never heard of the Oxford comma till recently.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 01:43 PM
Sep 2020

Was talking with my son who just started college. He said the Oxford comma was the only thing he got out of HS English class.

TheBlackAdder

(28,201 posts)
17. It's the one you want to stay with unless you're using the Associated Press Stylebook.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 02:12 PM
Sep 2020

.

Almost all writing styles use the Oxford comma, which is knows as a serial or series comma.

Unless you are writing a news article or your professor instructs not to use it, it's best to include it.

.

LuckyCharms

(17,440 posts)
20. The first sentence reads better to me.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:01 PM
Sep 2020

But I remember that I was taught in grade school not to use a comma when you get to the last "thing" in the group.

So now I'm paranoid about typing a sentence as shown in the first example because I'm afraid a teacher is going to come over and whack me on the head with a metal chalk holder.

captain queeg

(10,198 posts)
22. Catholic school?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:44 PM
Sep 2020

Of course even public schools when I was a kid allowed corporal punishment. Whacks with a paddle from teachers or principals. But I had a science teacher in 6th grade who used to go off, and he’d throw whatever was handy at you. Usually it was a board eraser but sometimes he yank a shoe off and throw it at you. The worst were the Lincoln book ends he had in his desk. Hollow metal but probably 8 inches tall. He never hit anyone with it in my class but that could have done some serious injury. He’d never last nowadays but I guess we didn’t know enough to have a parent complain.

Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
24. Whoever told you that was wrong.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 03:49 PM
Sep 2020

Omitting the comma can change the meaning of the sentence. Including it in a list never does.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
25. I just blast the words out and hope for the best.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 04:07 PM
Sep 2020

If I let my OCD perfectionism in on my writing I don't write anything.

I also like to believe I'm participating in the evolution of our language.

A language that is pinned down by too many rules can't evolve.

English is so widespread because it is promiscuous. It will hop into bed with anyone and pick up their habits, sometimes for the worse, but mostly for the better.

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
26. If someone ever makes
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 05:01 PM
Sep 2020

"Me and Jeff went to lunch" standard, the perpetrator should be hanged from the tallest tree and left so the ravens can eat his flesh.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
27. I have a fancy university Biology degree with a minor in English.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:28 PM
Sep 2020

The English Chair at my university didn't like me. She wouldn't sign off on my minor. I don't blame her. I was crazy.

A dean of my college pencil whipped me thru because he wanted me to go away. He said, "Hunter, I think you should go to graduate school... but NOT HERE!" (The first time I was "asked" to take time off from university was for fighting with one of his teaching assistants...)

After about a year working in a medical lab I got a job teaching science in a big city.

Half the kids in my classes could hardly read and write.

I cheered these students on whenever they wrote ANYTHING, encouraging them write more.

The lost kids wrote nothing.

I met my wife teaching.

High expectations work in some situations. My own children are high achievers who rejected academic scholarships to schools of the sort unscrupulous parents pay half a million dollars to get their own kids into.

It's the children and adults who write nothing we have to worry about. Are they afraid to write? How did that happen?

I loved my seventh and eighth grade English teachers, in spite of the "C"s and "U"s (unsatisfactories) they gave me, but maybe I'm a masochist.

I quit high school but it wasn't anything my English teachers did.

wryter2000

(46,045 posts)
32. I guess I'm not talking about children
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:04 PM
Sep 2020

But educated adults. In any case, my post was about an authority making it standard.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
28. We never used the comma before the and back in the 50s.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:32 PM
Sep 2020

I just started using it about 6 months ago. I like Grammarly.

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