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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:10 PM Sep 2020

***Must read: Senate/House Democrats basically have power to delay ACB nomination indefinitely***

If we support them, they can be brave and try this. Not exaggerating here so don’t you dare accuse me of such. I have loved studying parliamentary tactics all my life.

https://theintercept.com/2020/09/24/memo-laying-out-delay-tactics-circulates-among-senate-democrats/

This is just but one of our tactics:

Utilizing Rule XIV — Any Senator can have any legislative measure placed on the calendar in two legislative days under Rule XIV. Leader Schumer could ask every Democratic Senator to introduce bills on their favorite subjects en masse and seek to put them on the calendar via rule XIV. Once they were on the calendar two legislative days later, if Schumer could get the floor, he could move to proceed to each in turn, file cloture, withdraw his motion to proceed, move to another, file cloture, withdraw his motion to proceed, and continue to repeat, stacking up an almost endless series of votes on motions to invoke cloture on motions to proceed to Democratic priorities, until the Majority Leader shut the Senate down.



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***Must read: Senate/House Democrats basically have power to delay ACB nomination indefinitely*** (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 OP
Fuck The Intercept. W_HAMILTON Sep 2020 #1
You didn't even read the fucking article NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 #4
You're right. I won't generate revenue for any of those pro-Putin puppets. W_HAMILTON Sep 2020 #13
Please list sources for your characterization of the Intercept. triron Sep 2020 #20
My source is living the past few years and seeing how they report on pro-Russia... W_HAMILTON Sep 2020 #21
+1 BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #6
How is this not practical? NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 #7
Why don't you contact Senator Schumer? brooklynite Sep 2020 #19
Why don't you want to fight this with everything we have? NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 #8
Also senate democratic staffers NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 #9
I Echo Your Sentiment - Fuck the Intercept Indykatie Sep 2020 #11
Can rules be suspended? OrlandoDem2 Sep 2020 #2
Easily. They can also just go straight to a vote on Barrett Amishman Sep 2020 #3
FALSE NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 #5
Delatory motions are considered out of order Amishman Sep 2020 #10
Ok sounds legit but what about doing the delay tactics NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 #12
I can't find definitive information on those, but I'm assuming it's a no go Amishman Sep 2020 #15
Are roll call votes time limited like in the house? NewsCenter28 Sep 2020 #17
my first thought MOMFUDSKI Sep 2020 #14
I agree. I'd be very surprised if they had a hearing Walleye Sep 2020 #18
Mitch McConnell has the power to push this nominee through. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #16

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
4. You didn't even read the fucking article
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:15 PM
Sep 2020

Explain why the fucking tactics fucking outlined here won’t fucking work.

W_HAMILTON

(7,867 posts)
13. You're right. I won't generate revenue for any of those pro-Putin puppets.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:36 PM
Sep 2020

I trust Schumer and the other Senate Democrats have a much better grasp of what is and what isn't within their power to do than anyone from The Intercept.

I figure this is article was just written to be referred back to later on by the useful idiots at The Intercept when they use it to write more anti-Democratic articles and say that the Democrats didn't fight hard enough or whatever bullshit you can expect for them.

You know what could prevented this? The shitty writers at the shitty Intercept from needlessly shitting on the 2016 Democratic candidate for president and thus providing cover for Trump.

Fuck them, they can sit down and shut the hell up.

W_HAMILTON

(7,867 posts)
21. My source is living the past few years and seeing how they report on pro-Russia...
Sun Sep 27, 2020, 01:39 AM
Sep 2020

...and anti-Democratic Party stories.

If you need specific instances, a good one to start with is how a whistleblower went to them to show proof that the U.S. government had proof that Russia interfered in our 2016 elections and now that whistleblower is in jail because they outed her to the Trump administration.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
6. +1
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:21 PM
Sep 2020

They throw out some ludicrous scenario that can’t be done in a practical sense.

Then they turn around and flog the “weak Democrats” narrative.

It’s classic Greenwald-Putin

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
7. How is this not practical?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:23 PM
Sep 2020

Motions to Adjourn and Recess — Any Senator can move to adjourn, to adjourn to a day certain, or to take a recess. All of these motions take precedence over a motion to proceed to the consideration of a nomination. Senators could make a series of motions of this sort to force roll-call votes.

We should just roll over and let the court be stacked win religious extremists then?!

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
19. Why don't you contact Senator Schumer?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 09:34 PM
Sep 2020

I’m sure a foolproof strategy like this hasn’t occurred to him.....

Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
11. I Echo Your Sentiment - Fuck the Intercept
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:27 PM
Sep 2020

Biden, Schumer and Pelosi are no dummies. If there's a credible way to delay ACB's vote they will know what it is. Do we really think the folks over at the Intercept are aware of some tactic that no one else has hit on?

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
5. FALSE
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:16 PM
Sep 2020

Motions to Adjourn and Recess — Any Senator can move to adjourn, to adjourn to a day certain, or to take a recess. All of these motions take precedence over a motion to proceed to the consideration of a nomination. Senators could make a series of motions of this sort to force roll-call votes.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
10. Delatory motions are considered out of order
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:26 PM
Sep 2020
https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/post-cloture-rules-and-precedents

Dilatory motions and amendments are out of order. Whether a motion or amendment triggers this violation is determined by the presiding officer after a point of order is made (Riddick’s p. 311). The following have been found to be dilatory post-cloture:The presiding officer may, on his or her own initiative, rule out of order certain offending motions or amendments.

As soon as we do it a few times, they can state that the motion is intended to delay, and move onward ignoring it as out of order.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
12. Ok sounds legit but what about doing the delay tactics
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:33 PM
Sep 2020

Before Moscow Mitch has a chance to file for cloture or even call the nomination to the floor? Also, theoretically, couldn’t we tie the presiding officer up in knots having to rule countless of our actions out of order? Then if we appeal the ruling of the chair, that eats up time also.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
15. I can't find definitive information on those, but I'm assuming it's a no go
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 06:54 PM
Sep 2020

On the general premise that this would be easier and more effective than the traditional spoken filibusters. Yet we haven't seen these tactics used successfully ever. I'm inferring that either their are procedural options or rules in place to squelch these tactics, I just can't find them right now. Alternatively they could just change the rules.

Or the chair simply refuses to recognize the senator who is attempting the delay.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
17. Are roll call votes time limited like in the house?
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:20 PM
Sep 2020

Maybe we could refuse to vote and keep the senate in a permanent roll call?

Yavin4

(35,439 posts)
16. Mitch McConnell has the power to push this nominee through.
Sat Sep 26, 2020, 07:00 PM
Sep 2020

There's next to nothing that Dems can do. This is just setting up the "Dems are weak" narrative.

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