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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary Clinton spilled the beans on MSNBC re: Russian $$$, Deutsche Bank & Trump Organization
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Laelth
(32,017 posts)She would know.
-Laelth
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Deutsche Bank is one of the crookedest banks in the world and a well known Russian money launderer.
So is it merely a coincidence the completely corrupt Deutsche Bank and money launder of choice for Russia is the sole lender to Trump when no US bank will touch him? You don't have to be a math major to put two and two together here.
Walleye
(31,039 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)buy millions of dollars of chips at one of his casinos and never cashed them in ???????????????
How do we know that it wasn't done time and time again.........
It should be abundently clear since 2000 that the RepubliCONs will do everything and anything corrupt or illegal to win elections and to seize power.......Under Trump it would appear that they know of no other way EXCEPT to cheat to win elections.......
My "old guard" Republican friends are rolling over in their graves at any of this shit the Nuevo GOP is doing and has done.....
TexasBushwhacker
(20,211 posts)in 1991. Even at 85, Dad was pretty shrewd. Had he just lent Donald the money, he would have had to get in line with all of Donald's other creditors when he eventually went bankrupt, which he did in 1992. By purchasing chips, he could redeem them any time he wanted.
He also borrowed $10 million from his siblings in the early 90s and when he blew through that, he asked for another $20 Million. They balked, but lent him a smaller amount and made him sign a promissory note.
WHAT A LOSER!!!
Moostache
(9,897 posts)Both in his deference to Putin at EVERY turn and in his continued refusal to just release the tax returns so everyone can see what the NYT already has (or just read the Times' reports!)
lindysalsagal
(20,726 posts)triron
(22,019 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)Somewhere over 80+% of ALL mainstream media in the United States is OWNED by RepubliCONs..........
The takeover started big time under Reagan and has become worse and worse over the past decades, until the RepubliCONs now have a monopoly on the news media............
The control of the U.S. Media is modeled after Russia's PROVDA news agency..........
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)And these stories are from January if anyone wants to dig deeper:
Russian Government Bank Deposited $500 Million into Deutsche Bank Subsidiary as it Lent to Trump
https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/21/russian-government-bank-deposited-500-million-into-deutsche-bank-subsidiary-as-it-lent-to-trump/
Trump Deutsche Bank Loans Underwritten By Russian State-Owned Bank, Whistleblower Told FBI
https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-underwritten-by-russian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/
triron
(22,019 posts)dalton99a
(81,568 posts)niyad
(113,527 posts)some time. Traitor tot is a wholly-owne d subsidiary of putin.
Python boot
(74 posts)Trumps Russian Laundromat
How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
But even without an investigation by Congress or a special prosecutor, there is much we already know about the presidents debt to Russia. A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia. Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money. Some ran a worldwide high-stakes gambling ring out of Trump Towerin a unit directly below one owned by Trump. Others provided Trump with lucrative branding deals that required no investment on his part. Taken together, the flow of money from Russia provided Trump with a crucial infusion of financing that helped rescue his empire from ruin, burnish his image, and launch his career in television and politics. They saved his bacon, says Kenneth McCallion, a former assistant U.S. attorney in the Reagan administration who investigated ties between organized crime and Trumps developments in the 1980s.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Family
Justice Kennedy's SON
Everyone in Russia, Ukraine, Turkey, Panama, and the Philippians (who know a lot)
Oh, and ManaFART too.
Good bye and good luck trying to nail anything on me; If you're listening Supreme Court.
patphil
(6,204 posts)This is just my opinion, but I think that one or more Russian banks co-signed on Trump's loans through Deutsche Bank. And, I also suspect these banks later bought up these loans, so Trump's debt is now wholly owned by these Russian banks.
Again, this is just my opinion, but it fits the facts of how Trump acts toward Russia, and why the Russians were so eager to help Trump win in 2016, and again this year.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)And that's just the part they have been caught at.
There is no question what they are doing. Now imagine if you will the CEO of Deutsch bank knowing full well the vast majority of their deposits comes from the National Bank of Russia (AKA Putin's private account), and getting a call from Putin telling you to either loan Trump more money or recall his loans, knowing full well if you say no you are a dead man walking.
There is no way any sane person can say Putin does not literally own Trump. The only intermediary is an entity that literally can't refuse Putin.
speaknow
(321 posts)that POS is going to pay the loan back?
Well Putin would I'm sure accept
information, thea SOB will give it.
Not only a national security risk now
but even after he gets the boot.
Grins
(7,227 posts)To a friend after I pointed out to him the article in The New Yorker where Janes Baker said Trump wanted to be G.H. Bushs VP running mate in 1988.
- Deutschebank is the Russian mobs primary money launderer.
- They loaned Trump $1 BILLION!
- They financed his buy of the Doral for which they loaned him millions more than the collateral was worth
- It loaned credit-risk Jared Kushner a quarter of a BILLION to cover his ass - a month before the election and around the time the Access Hollywood tape came out.
And heres where it got fun!!!
- Deutschebank was also the quiet bank for JEFFREY EPSTEIN!!
- They loaned him MILLIONS!
- Millions that were paid out to others because they were named in lawsuits for enabling the sexual assault of women and girls.
And the KGB then, and Russian intelligence now - knew all about Trump, Kushner, Epstein - and that bank!
FakeNoose
(32,726 posts)... I think he was hiding his blackmail money there. Maybe he was also getting secret cash from the Russians, I don't know.
After his arrest last year, more came out about Epstein and his blackmailing activities. Yes he was trafficking, but it was only to extremely wealthy individuals with high-up social connections. So they had something to lose when Epstein later told them that he had "tapes" of their activities with underage women. Epstein may have turned at least some of his "tapes" over to Russians, there were rumors that he was actually working for Putin. Ghislaine Maxwell can maybe confirm that but her trial isn't until next year.
Epstein needed to hide the cash he got from Putin, plus his blackmailing profits, and he had some of it stashed in offshore banks (including Deutsche Bank) to keep it secret and secure. Paying off the fines for the trafficking and sexual assaults on women were probably the least of his worries.
ace3csusm
(969 posts)We all knew he would party with Epstein, maybe their is also tapes of Republican Senator that cerebrated 4th of July in Russia
FakeNoose
(32,726 posts)However it would have been from the early 1990's. Their friendship went south after Chump screwed Epstein on a real estate deal in Florida. They never spoke again after that.
If that's the case then the evidence is so old it might be too late to prosecute him. Not sure how the statute of limitations works in Florida vs. New York.
I think it's pretty well known that Epstein "imported" Melania from Europe to be Chump's entertainment. However it wasn't considered trafficking since she was well into her 20's, and she consented.
marble falls
(57,172 posts)Illumination
(2,458 posts)that this religious, stellar, kind, intelligent, thoughtful. loving, popular, appropriate mob boss could be caught up in something like this! My heart just breaks for him & his angelic family & fellow republicans! Hopefully there will be better days ahead for all of them! I've heard they're putting on the finishing touches for their new padded prison cells! It will be a great time to catch up on some meditation! That is, unless there's no quiet time...There could be lots of screaming. yelling, banging, throwing vile objects in which case mediation would be difficult! But they will all need to remember that they CAN be happy no matter what!...
Historic NY
(37,452 posts)as reminders. Trump is a money launderer he can prove otherwise but he crys fake news.
panfluteman
(2,065 posts)I was watching Malcolm Nance tell the story about how his own security clearance was put in jeopardy because he had missed a single lousy car payment, yet the American people gave Trump cart blanche, and access to our country's top secrets, some of which he then blurted out to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister in his meeting with them in the Oval Office, which went unannounced to American media. And lord knows how our national security has been compromised by this bastard since then!
So, why did the American people feel they could trust this guy who couldn't be trusted, whose credit and security risks were so well known? The best I can figure out is that this is a testament to the absolutely awesome power of the Boob Tube: It was that crazy reality TV show, the Apprentice, through which America entered into its unrequited love affair with Donald Trump. I heard that the show's producer first wanted to make the show about a Russian oligarch, but Putin recommended that they make it about Trump instead. Yikes! Putin knew the psychology of the American people so well, and was cultivating and preparing Trump for his eventual role as US president even way back then!!!
Leith
(7,813 posts)What with all the money laundering, Russian mob, foreclosure scams, dirty dealings, and fines amounting to over a billion dollars...
Why has Germany not done anything about it?
Has the bank somehow technically stayed within German and international law? Are bank officers and German government regulators afraid of being poisoned or tossed out windows? Are regulators satisfied with fining the bank and leaving it at that?
The US has done some minor wrist slapping on the American subsidiary, other countries probably did, too. Am I just not hearing about how the corporation has been punished over and over?
Why is this bank still in business?!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)triron
(22,019 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)even the finance community was aware. I suspect that the real estate markets in New York City as well as parts of Florida are likely being propped up by Russian money laundering. No wonder Rudy Giuliani is so rabid about Trump. Just my own theory.
crickets
(25,982 posts)If anything, the unrelenting 'But her EMAILS!' campaign makes plain that media is quite capable of hanging on to one story and keeping it in public view, going over and over it in great detail over time, if they want to. Apparently, when it comes to trump, they just don't want to.
Look to who owns the media and what serves their selfish interests for the reasons why this is so.
bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)additional sources from America's historical enemies
disndat
(1,887 posts)in her quiver, are we to expect her "October Surprise"?
triron
(22,019 posts)BootinUp
(47,179 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Media didn't pick up even a thread of this story. Had it been widely reported back then we could be living in a different world right now.
triron
(22,019 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)his financial indebtedness and crooked dealings widely reported. His devotees believed his money and his ignorance of how government works made him an ideal candidate. And now here we are.
Even the New York Times apologized later for not doing due diligence prior to the election. The American people got screwed. tRump did it but the silence of voices that could have made a difference screwed us over too.