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(816 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Oh in case Joe sprung a blood test on him? Lol
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Against them all
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Yes. At a minimum, A has failed to abide by communicable disease control measures. Under G.S. 130A-144(f), [a]ll persons are required to comply with control measures. The control measures for the most common serious communicable diseases are listed in 10A NCAC 41A.0201 et seq. (The Administrative Code is available online here.) The control measures for HIV, which appear in 10A NCAC 41A.0202, require infected individuals both to warn their sexual partners of their status and to use condoms during sex. Failure to comply with control measures is a misdemeanor, sentenced outside of structured sentencing. G.S. 130A-25(a)-(b). Note that sexual contact other than intercourse isnt mentioned in the Code, nor is some non-sexual behavior that might involve some risk of transmission.
But has A has committed a more serious offense? Apparently, [21] states currently have statutes [specifically] criminalizing behavior that risks the transmission of HIV or AIDS. James B. McArthur, Note, As the Tide Turns: The Changing HIV/AIDS Epidemic and the Criminalization of HIV Exposure, 94 Cornell L. Rev. 707 (2009). However, there is no such statute in North Carolina. Leslie E. Wolf & Richard Vezina, Crime and Punishment: Is There a Role for Criminal Law in HIV Prevention Policy?, 25 Whittier L. Rev. 821 (2004). But perhaps A could be charged under the general criminal law. My colleague Bob Farb discussed this idea in the Prosecutors Trial Manual, listing the possible charges as follows:
For example [a prosecutor might charge], assault with a deadly weapon (the virus being the deadly weapon); assault with a deadly weapon inflicting serious injury (if the victim is infected); attempted first-degree murder or other felonious assaults that contain the intent to kill element (of course, proving the specific intent to kill may be difficult).
Robert L. Farb, Prosecutors Trial Manual 165 (4th ed. 2007).
https://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/knowingly-exposing-others-to-communicable-diseases/
jaxexpat
(6,849 posts)Yeah and with intent. As they say.
Nitram
(22,888 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)NT
yardwork
(61,710 posts)This crime family is enabled, over and over.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Those who died or caught Covid19 as a result of it were nothing more than casualties in his war against everyone that doesn't adore him.
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,754 posts)Sound familiar?
NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)n/t
Zoonart
(11,879 posts)Lying liars and criminals... DISQUALIFIED FROM OFFICE.
Seriously. How much more abuse are we willing to take at the hands of these monsters?
babylonsister
(171,092 posts)Seriously. For that matter, who really knows when they contracted 'rona?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Ninga
(8,277 posts)Hugin
(33,207 posts)I'm going to wait until something comes out directly on this.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)Hugin
(33,207 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)but they lie as a matter of course. why should we believe their timeline?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)Which in this case is either family or stephen miller. But most likely the chief of staff......
ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)And by people, I mean assholes. They're hardly human.
demmiblue
(36,889 posts)Hugin
(33,207 posts)Sounds actionable to me.
Otherwise, where's the honor in their honor system?
3catwoman3
(24,046 posts)Honor my ass.
stopdiggin
(11,368 posts)is that Wallace doesn't have much of a point regarding the testing. Is he attempting to spin this into something that it isn't? The masking on the other hand -- yes, that was up front and in-your-face.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)They are all so despicable!
Thekaspervote
(32,794 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)is a known effect of COVID-19. Would explain a lot re his performance.
And I think I've heard he got tested daily, as a matter of rote, as well as others in his rat's nest of cronies. So, how could they not know?
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)which apparently has a 20+ failure rate.
And besides, can anyone actually take at face value ANYTHING coming out of the WH?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Were waiting for the more accurate test that takes longer. Although I'm still 50-50 on whether or not he really had it.
littlemissmartypants
(22,805 posts)PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)off before they were seated.
Here's the social media photo:
More here -> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-masks-debate_n_5f748e02c5b6374c5587a8e2?section=politics&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000016
Also, Hope Hicks wasn't there, so she's not in the photo you posted.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,635 posts)I see Lara Trump, Tiffany Trump, Don Jr, and Kimberly Guilfoyle.
Celerity
(43,512 posts)UpInArms
(51,284 posts)https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-trump-first-lady-and-hope-hicks-may-have-spread-coronavirus-at-cleveland-presidential-debate/ar-BB19EhRW
Celerity
(43,512 posts)Earthshine2
(4,044 posts)He knew he had the virus and tried to infect Biden.
Trump is a mass murderer.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,635 posts)Welcome to DU
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)A friend of mine told me she saw this on Twitter:
Friend who works with Scaramucci said that Mooch spoke with Hicks this morning. She said Trump showed symptoms before her, and that she is being used as a scapegoat.
Ill try to find the tweet. Maybe that explains Trumps red face and sweating...
leftyladyfrommo
(18,870 posts)any attention she knew that they were playing Russian Roulette with the virus.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)I did see an interview with Scaramucci where he said we dont even know if Hope got it first.
His supporters continue to baffle me. Not a single one saying he should have worn a mask. All continue to say anyone can get it and at least he wasnt hiding in his basement like Biden. What the h*ll is wrong with these people?
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Foolish.
crickets
(25,983 posts)They knew and went to the debate anyway.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,635 posts)It bothered me how quickly Hope was being thrown under the bus. There was no proof at all that she was the patient zero in this superspreader event. I'd be curious to see that tweet.
Ohioboy
(3,244 posts)Hugin
(33,207 posts)gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)for God's sakes enforce the God damn rules. If he didn't test, he shouldn't have been allowed to debate
MustLoveBeagles
(11,635 posts)FarPoint
(12,443 posts)Arrogance now is having it's revenge.
Hekate
(90,798 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)The debate was Tuesday not Sunday
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Trump's posse arrived on Tuesday so Cleveland Clinic had no time to test them.
jalan48
(13,886 posts)torius
(1,652 posts)marble falls
(57,223 posts)C Moon
(12,221 posts)That's very Putin of Trump.
This is what I've been thinking and fearing all day. OMG
MustLoveBeagles
(11,635 posts)Now I'm thinking we was doing it to cause harm.
mzmolly
(51,004 posts)F ckers.
FakeNoose
(32,758 posts)I think that's what they meant to say.
THIS doesn't surprise me at all. I'm also thinking that Hope Hicks wasn't the first positive test either. She probably caught it from Chump, not the other way around.
They're all despicable. Except Barron, I don't blame him.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)TimeToGo
(1,366 posts)He said they arrived late and therefore couldnt be tested. He didnt say that they did that to avoid being tested.
Now that may be completely true. But. . . .
stopdiggin
(11,368 posts)And an important one -- coming from Wallace.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)should, themselves, have made sure they were tested before exposing themselves to others at the debate. And expected the same cautious protection from the Democratic team, which they did receive.
The next POTUS was going to be there, and doing their best to protect the succession of power was also an absolute duty to their nation.
As Pluvious says, "Wow. Just. Wow." These people are no more principled or patriotic than our cat. No insult to our little guy, of course. Just to them.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,635 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Cha
(297,665 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)BunkerBoy wanted them to have drug tests before the debate!
Wow, we would have been deprived of seeing our great leader at his best - "slain on his own strange alter....."
58Sunliner
(4,399 posts)Is this the October surprise everyone was alluding to?
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)the first family of filth. They truly believe that everyone on this earth exists to cater to, and amuse them. I'm trying like hell to feel some compassion for them during this event, but......... the cupboard is bare.
bucolic_frolic
(43,291 posts)Someone on Twitter, I think it was Wednesday morning, said something about Trump not tweeting for 6 hours overnight, and noted it was highly unusual. I'm wondering if they already knew then.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,323 posts)there's masks on the statues in the White House.
OhioTim
(259 posts)That's who they are.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I will throw many parties.
To hell with this asshole. He has no legitimacy, he has no legacy other than being a complete asshole.
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. I hope he is quick about it.
I hope no one here has misconstrued my attitude toward this complete failure. I will make my attitude abundantly clear - die you fucker! The sooner, the better.
I shall call him president FAIL, for as long as he remains among the living, as long as he can claim to be president. I apologize to all those here who do not share my attitude. Sorry.
WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)Usually his spray tan is sprayed on with three coats of industrial strength, so no moisture can escape.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,635 posts)His cheeks were red not the usual orange and he seemed abnormally sweaty.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)mnmoderatedem
(3,729 posts)no need to "go negative" as they say. They have done that to themselves.
BHDem53
(1,061 posts)ShazzieB
(16,513 posts)I mean, I knew they were despicable, but still ... WOW.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)She came in the limo with king con. She masked up because she knew he was positive.
Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)It was aired on Tuesday.
orleans
(34,073 posts)here's the hill
"Chris Wallace: Trump arrived too late to be tested in Ohio before debate, relied on 'honor system'
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/519418-chris-wallace-trump-arrived-too-late-to-be-tested-in-ohio-before-debate-relied