Debate Commission & Trump oppose increasing separation at debates

[Nevilledog]

Link to tweet

Tweet text: Christopher Cadelago
@ccadelago
Biden's campaign wants 12 feet or more of separation, with Kamala Harris and Mike Pence standing at VP debate. But the commission has so far sided w/ the Trump camp, in opposing extending the distance between them. @natashakorecki

Biden campaign lodges 'health and safety' objection over VP debate
Biden's camp argues the seven-foot spacing between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence isn't far enough.
politico.com

[mucifer]

1. We still don't know if Biden caught the virus. We have to wait a few more days.

There was soooo much screaming from that monster.

[Nevilledog]

2. That shouldn't effect increasing the distance at the VP debate.

Pence was exposed to numerous infected people and is refusing to quarantine.

[mucifer]

3. They shouldn't even do the VP debate in person IMO

[Nevilledog]

4. I agree with you on that.

[Captain Zero]

20. Do all this shit by ZOOM now. The Republicans want everyone dead. They don't care.

nt

[crickets]

43. I agree with you.

There is no reason to put them on a plane, no reason to be in the same room, no reason to be exposed to one another. None.

[bdamomma]

55. these debates

need to held in DC, why have them traveling all over Covid USA.

[LisaL]

6. Per the article commission agreed to increase distance to 12 feet.

NT

[Trumpocalypse]

11. You may have missed this

Link to tweet

[LisaL]

13. You don't seem to understand how testing works.

Negative test soon after the possible infection doesn't mean what you apparently thinks it means.
It doesn't mean the person is in the clear.
There is an incubation period during which tests might still be negative but the person is actually infected.

[Trumpocalypse]

26. So Biden is lying?

[Ace Rothstein]

30. He isn't lying.

He needs to keep getting tested though for the next 2 weeks due to the incubation period of this virus.

[Trumpocalypse]

32. So then he was just misleading

And my doctor tested me once. She didn’t say anything about needing to keep getting tested for 2 weeks. Do I need to sue her for malpractice?

[LisaL]

31. Again, you don't understand how the testing works.

Educate yourself.

[Trumpocalypse]

33. Guess my doctor doesn't either

Should I sue her for malpractice?

[Tommymac]

36. Get a clue. A test is real time ONLY. And all tests are not 100% accurate - far from it.

You can have it and it may not show up for the first 2-10 days. Depends on the type of test too.

You have to test regularly EVERYDAY for several days to be really sure.

A test is simply a snapshot of what is happening in your body at that exact moment.

[Trumpocalypse]

38. No they are not

But some such as the RT-PC test has proven highly accurate. Also, any test is just a snapshot of that moment. It does not guarantee that a person may get infected 5 minutes after they have the test. But it is not accurate that someone has to get tested everyday to be really sure. By that logic you would have to be tested everyday for the rest of your life. Imagine trying to test everyone everyday? That’s unrealistic and unsustainable. So I guess I’m not the one who needs to get a clue here.

[Maru Kitteh]

44. I personally test hundreds of staff and patients twice weekly. You are wrong.

We use the Panther Fusion test by Hologic, one of the most sensitive tests on the market right now and yet at least once, we tested an obviously symptomatic patient who came back negative twice before returning a positive test.

You will not test positive for SARS-CoV-2 immediately upon infection no matter how sensitive the test is. The time of exposure/infection to positive results vary depending on age, immuno status, and quite frankly variables we don't yet understand at all. It's thought currently exposure to positive test results is about 3-5 days, but again, that varies a lot. Older persons may take much longer to test positive.

Biden is not out of the woods yet. He likely gets a PoC test daily along with all those around him and probably has been since becoming the presumed nominee. I will feel much better about his status around the middle or end of next week assuming he continues to test negative.

[Trumpocalypse]

45. So Biden is misleading everyone

and being irresponsible by not quarantining? That’s what you are accusing him of.

[moonscape]

47. Nobody is accusing him of misleading. He was saying in

essence 'so far so good' re his possible exposure at the debate. If he is still testing negative after 2 weeks he did not contract covid at the debate, where it is now suspected 45 was already a carrier.

[Trumpocalypse]

50. But he's not quarantining

So are you accusing him of putting others at risk?

[Maru Kitteh]

49. No, that is what you are accusing him of. I said nothing of the sort. nt

[Trumpocalypse]

53. No I'm defending Biden

You’re claiming that his tweet about testing negative can’t be trusted.

[Maru Kitteh]

57. Nobody is that thick. Can't be.

Why do you keep accusing people on this thread of saying things they've not said? Literally nobody has said Biden's tweet about testing negative is inaccurate in any way. It's not.

[Trumpocalypse]

60. Because they can't have it both ways

Last edited Sat Oct 3, 2020, 11:18 PM - Edit history (1)

People keep claiming that one test can’t be trusted, Biden tweeted about the results of the one test he had on Friday. So is Biden misleading everyone and putting others at risk by not quarantining or should we trust him? I think we should trust him.

[Maru Kitteh]

65. Your post is void of sense, value, accuracy or even simple coherence.

"Biden tweeted about the results of the one test he had on test he had on Friday."

[Trumpocalypse]

66. For give me for the typo

But my point is still clear so nice evasion.

And I’ll ask the question again, do we trust Biden or not?

[herding cats]

67. He was negative at that time.

He's said every test result will be made public. Biden campaign says it will now disclose the result of every coronavirus test

Anyone near people is potentially at risk. He does not know if Trump was positive when he was near him. According to Trump's doctor he wasn't, which means he's technically not supposed to quarantine. But, as we all know they ar lairs and Biden needs to be extremely careful. As do we all.

[Trumpocalypse]

69. Which is good

He’s not posted about any additional tests since yesterday but As the article states he’s being tested on a regular basis. Maybe just not everyday.

And you’re right we all need to be careful, wash our hands, wear a mask and social distance.

[herding cats]

71. Biden is being tested before every event.

He's not callous about putting people at risk, unlike someone else did. Also, Biden utilizes masks and respects the social distancing guidelines. Again, unlike someone else. I see this as apples and oranges. Which may just be me.

Admittedly, we're living in strange days. I run across dear friends who seem so socially starved they accidentally break social distancing guidelines and apologize when my masked booty backs up fast. I get it, times are weird and we're all bearing the brunt of the strain.

My opinion: Biden cannot risk being infected, let alone does he want to infect anyone else. Much like many of us, except on a much higher level.

[Trumpocalypse]

73. It's not apples and oranges

It’s apples and an orange assh*le.

[herding cats]

75. True enough. NT

[Blue_true]

39. An infected person can get several negatives before finally getting a positive.

Joe won’t be out of the woods for a few more days. Wearing a mask when not on stage likely helped Joe’s cause.

What happened totally shows how thoughtless and reckless Trump is.

[Trumpocalypse]

40. So you are accusing Biden of misleading everyone

and putting others at risk by not quarantining?

[Blue_true]

42. No. He is testing and reporting real time. He is putting no one at risk and isn't

trying to lie. He likely get tested first thing, so if there is a positive, he can cancel events. Also, he wears a mask at events, that is critical and wise.

[Trumpocalypse]

48. He made one tweet yesterday and

none since about being tested. He has also not canceled any events nor is he quarantining. So are you accusing Biden of misleading people and putting others at risk by not quarantining?

[Blue_true]

52. I believe that he had a second test this morning and it was negative.

I am not accusing Joe of anything, I believe that he is handling this whole affair pitch perfectly, and is putting the health of people first, unlike Trump.

[Trumpocalypse]

56. You believe?

There is nothing on his Twitter feed about it. https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeBiden

So if the tests can’t be trusted and Biden is not quarantining, how is he not putting others at risk?

[Blue_true]

58. I am only relaying what I read.

I don’t know what your point is, I have been repeatedly clear that I am not accusing Joe of anything. In fact, I believe that his campaign has handled this situation perfectly, a stark contrast to the chaos surround Trump and the White House staff.

[Trumpocalypse]

59. My original point was to share information

by posting Biden’s tweet from yesterday about testing negative without out any commentary and have been relentlessly attacked for it by people claiming one test doesn’t prove anything.

And do you have a link for what you read?

And if you are claiming that the test Biden took cannot be trusted, you are claiming that he is putting others at risk by not quarantining. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways.

[Statistical]

61. Are you stupid or just trolling?

The test only means you are negative at the point of the test. The virus has an incubation period. It is 100% possible to have a negative test today and a positive test tomorrow. A negative test is a good sign. It is better than no test. It is way better than a positive test but due to varying incubation periods we won't know for sure until Biden has multiple negative tests over a large period of time a minimum of a week ideally two weeks.

[Trumpocalypse]

62. And yet another attack

If you bothered to read everything I posted up thread I said:

Also, any test is just a snapshot of that moment. It does not guarantee that a person may get infected 5 minutes after they have the test.

But I ask if things are so unsure for Biden for a minimum of a week or two, is he being irresponsible for not quarantining?

Also this is the definition of incubation period: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incubation%20period

[Blue_true]

63. Your last question is valid.

I believe the answer likely will depend upon where people stand on the political spectrum. I believe that Joe is being responsible, he is taking all precautions that I see as reasonable given the circumstances. Although Trump screamed and spat on the debate stage, Joe was about 7 feet from him and Trump seldom screamed toward Joe. If Chris Wallace is not quarantining, Joe shouldn’t either. But like I said, the answer that you get to that question depends upon a person’s politics.

[Trumpocalypse]

64. Thank you

I agree.

[herding cats]

68. Are you not following the news at all?

Biden will be tested every time he travels and post the results.

There's more news in the great wide world than twitter.

[Trumpocalypse]

70. Great

But some claimed he was being tested every day or maybe you didn’t read the entire thread.

[herding cats]

72. I don't give a flip about the "entire thread" personally.

All I care about are facts and reality. Petty squabbles at this moment in my life mean zilch to me. I have way too much on my plate to care if people are baiting each other on the Internet.

[Trumpocalypse]

74. Good

[Sunsky]

27. Exactly

Some people don't understand that a negative test does not mean you don't have COVID. It could be that your viral load at the time wasn't high enough to be detected. I believe people who have a known exposure should take at least two tests a few days apart to confirm a negative result is truly negative, if testing is done close to the exposure.
For this reason, we also don't know if Pence, Barr, etc truly do not have COVID. A negative test may give a false sense of security and facilitate spreading especially among those who aren't adhering to guidelines.
I'm not 100% sure but I think the Biden team said that he took two tests. However, if they are done on the same day that may be pointless.

[bdamomma]

51. Just to be safe

Testing should continue for VP Biden.

[Lotusflower70]

5. Update

Link to tweet

?s=19

[Nevilledog]

8. Glad to hear that. I still think it should be held remotely, or at least no audience.

[Lotusflower70]

34. Agree 100%

It's still an evolving situation. Changes keep being made to it.

[Cha]

24. Mahalo, Lotusflower.. Rt

I've read about scientists saying 12 ft is much better than 6 ft for Social Distancing.. quite awhile ago.

[Lotusflower70]

35. A ole pilikia Cha

Yeah I was reading this a while ago too. I paid close attention to Spain since I have family there but I also followed England, France and Italy because they definitely did a lot of good work trying to contain things. There was a lot of writing to educate myself with. Same goes for New York because of how hardly they were hit. There is a wealth of good information out there and there is a lot of information still coming out.

[Cha]

37. Good to know.. TY!

[aquamarina]

7. Then fucking put a plexiglass shield between them.

[JI7]

15. It should be both. 12 ft and plexiglass and no fucking audience

[LisaL]

16. If Pence was in close contact with Trump recently, he really should be in quarantine, not

having debates.

[peacebuzzard]

25. +1

[tanyev]

29. +1. If they can put shields up in offices and retail stores, they can put one up for a VP debate.

[ucrdem]

9. They shouldn't be in the same room.

If Pence isn't infected yet he will be. TBH this thing is over and common sense would call for cancellation of all in-person campaign events including debates if both parties don't agree to do what we've all been doing for months, namely communicate digitally.

[msongs]

10. maybe kamala should wear a biden mask nt

[octoberlib]

12. They shouldn't be doing in person debates

at all. This is irresponsible.

[Mister Ed]

23. Quite right, as a simple matter of national security.

With Trump now ill, Pence may be called upon to assume presidential duties at any moment. His irresponsibility and carelessness in not taking greater precautions is downright alarming, regardless of my own reluctance to see a President Pence.

[Squinch]

28. AND simply as a matter of being a responsible example to the public.

[DFW]

14. I wouldn't want to be within 7 feet of Pence

Even in normal times.

[secondwind]

17. WTF is wrong with these people??? WHY even argue this??

[cstanleytech]

18. What about a plexi and or glass dividing wall?

Should allow both to be clearly visible to each other and the viewers but provide safety.

[LisaL]

19. Put Pence in a plexiglass box.

I think that could work.

[Captain Zero]

21. This. Set his pious infected ass in a box.

nt

[LisaL]

22. We should be generous and allow for oxygen to be pumped into his box.

We don't want him to suffocate after all.

[jcgoldie]

54. Mother would approve

Put Mikey in a box and we won't have to worry about crazed women like Senator Harris throwing themselves at him...

[MagickMuffin]

41. Then they should install plexiglass for added protection

I don't trust them, needless to say

[JI7]

46. Why would they be opposed to increased distancing ?

That's a strange thing to oppose since it wouldn't have much to do with the debate itself such as topics discussed or amount of time to speak and reply.

Can anyone give a good reason to oppose this ?