This likely won't end well

[Dr. Jack]

Just saw Trump is leaving the hospital. After reports earlier today that he is bored at the hospital and is getting agitated by how weak he looks on news coverage, I can guarantee him leaving is not based on any medical advice. This is entirely based on him being afraid of how this all looks and still not taking this virus seriously, at all. If the guy was having trouble breathing just a day or two ago, and is on experimental drugs, he should not be leaving the hospital. He's also contagious still. I can tell you right now this is a massive mistake on Trump's part. At best he will have to be transferred back to Walter Reed in the next day or so.

This is 100% political and something that Trump and his doctors will very likely end up regretting. Absolutely dumb decision. My fucking God.

[MineralMan]

1. You may well be right.

[cmeneer]

2. Won't end well?

Good.

[Rebl2]

23. Nope

Then we will be stuck with that other one-Pence—YUK

[Caliman73]

79. For a bit. If Trump should have an "unfortunate" end, Pence is only on till January.

The election would go on as planned without the head instigator. Pence is a gadfly. He would not be able to energize anyone within the last month of the election.

[thesquanderer]

84. I think Pence would be harder to beat than Biden.

It is true that Pence does not engender that crazy level of Trump devotion some voters have... but he also won't mobilize so many Republicans to say that their candidate is so awful that they must vote for Biden. Pence is not viewed by so many people as scary, deceitful, self-dealing, dangerous, or downright incompetent, the way Trump is. If Trump were out of the race, I don't see Biden picking up any current Trump followers, but I could see Pence stealing away from Biden some of the anti-Trump voters.

[Caliman73]

89. Pence would be in a bind.

He could possibly get some of the anti-Trump people, IF he denounced Trump. If he did that he would turn off all of the Trump base. So it would be 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

If this had happened in say May or June then maybe he would have enough time to come up with a plan to thread the needle, but we are less than a month from election day now.

[RobinA]

91. I Absolutely Agree

I have been thinking this since about 30 seconds after I heard he was sick and started doing the math of various scenarios. One of my thoughts - Oh shit, Pence. Two terms.

[lame54]

96. A lot of Trumpers would stay home

[BComplex]

98. I'm hoping a lot of former trumpers stay home.

It would sure help our down-ballot races across the country.

[LymphocyteLover]

62. for him, it won't-- for the country is another story

[GreenPartyVoter]

3. He is being transferred, not discharged. Not quite as risky to him as it would be for us.

[TNNurse]

24. Transferred? Has the White House become a medical facility???

[Solomon]

27. Probably what they have been doing all weekend. They probably even installed a ventilator.

[Traildogbob]

49. Oh course!

kushner told us about “our” stockpiles of med equipment. He will be fine. Is there a crematorium at the White House? Him leaving in an Urn would be acceptable. Put him in a KFC bucket.

[secondwind]

86. Lol!!! 😂

[SunSeeker]

71. Yup, rich people were buying up vents at the begining of the pandemic.

They set up their own Covid recovery medical rooms in their mansions. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/personal-ventilators-demand-coronavirus-patients-183548727.html

[CaptainTruth]

29. The WH has had a medical unit since 1945 I think.

[link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Medical_Unit|]

[SunSeeker]

74. Yup, and it's a lot better equipped and staffed than those emergency Covid tent hospitals!

I think the only thing it doesn't have is CT scans.

[GreenPartyVoter]

41. It has some facilities, and rumor is they've brought in more equipment.

[wnylib]

44. The WH has a full medical team with

emergency response capabilities. Not like the average person going home.

[boyedav1969]

66. Yeah, it's part of why the need to transfer

Yeah, it's part of why the need to transfer to Walter Reed was so telling of the severity.

[Nitram]

81. The White House has everything Walter Reed does aside from some imaging equipment.

[TNNurse]

92. Are there multiple docs cause that guy lies?

Are there nurses, Respiratory therapists? You know people who do the actual work.

[NurseJackie]

4. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Quixote1818]

20. Yep! Lol

[Newest Reality]

5. All things considered,

Should we consider the mistake tragic?

I have my reservations.

[Moostache]

6. If it ends (as in Trump ending), then by definition it ends well.

Trump saying that "COVID is no big deal" and telling people "not to fear it" is negligent homicide after today. I do not root for murderers to have a full recovery, so I no longer feel even a tinge of regret at actively rooting for Trump to turn for the worse and die in agony...

[wnylib]

45. Ditto.

[The_REAL_Ecumenist]

51. DERANGED INDIFFERENCE TO HUMAN LIFE, aka CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!!

The FUCKER & ALL his enablers, co-conspirators, propagandists & the WHOLE lot of them need to have their rusty asses dragged before the world court in the same way that the monsters of Kosovo, Bosnia, Rwanda, Nazi Germany & THEIR fellow partners in collusion need to be humiliated, judged & IMPRISONED...FOREVER, if not outright EXECUTED for treasonous acts, (at least here in the US)! So, there's that...

[klook]

54. I want him alive until the election is settled in Biden's favor.

Actually, I want Trump alive for years, to suffer humiliation, poverty, and, with any luck, incarceration.

[Nitram]

83. That's my preference. I want Trump humiliated, humbled, and imprisoned.

[soldierant]

85. Agreed. Everyone is forgetting his supporters.

If he dies now it will b as a holy martyr. Not good. I definitely want him alive till after the election If his is not voted out alive in a landslide, we are going to have more difficulty healing as a nation than we did in the first Reconstruction - and that was godawful. We were never taught in school how godawful it really was. Read about it or watch Dr Henry Louis Gates Jr's documentary (some of it may possibly still be streaming). I am old and won't be around that much longer, and have no childrren or grandchildren, but, dammit, I love my country, and I want it to have justice.

[dchill]

7. He will crash and burn.

I'm losing hope that he'll make it to the election. And yes, I want him to make it to the election. It's the best way to sanitize.

[Blue_true]

59. That is my guess also.

But, the longer he draws this out, the more disarray he causes for republicans. The worst case scenario would be total collapse of this farce within the next two weeks, that would gut and demoralize their voters.

[Towlie]

8. This is reality, which makes it even more unpredictable than a Quentin Tarantino movie.

[lpbk2713]

9. He has said he knows more than his generals.

It must be that he knows more than his doctors.

[SheltieLover]

10. Ty, Dr. Jack!

🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞👍

[KY_EnviroGuy]

11. They have the equivalent to a small hospital in the White House.

I'm guessing for the sake of the Trump show, they figured they can replicate most of what was being done at Walter Reed and they probably will take some WR staff with them.

This will make no difference to the will of the virus........

We can bet this was 100% initiated and demanded by Trump and not any credible doctors.

We'll see if it costs him his life.

[Wicked Blue]

36. Plus, he'll have access to his hairspray and makeup

so he can look orange again

[BlueJac]

12. I really think he is a fool,

Personally I want him around long enough to see the landslide election where he gets his ass kicked! Other than that he can go fuck himself!

[Rebl2]

25. Same here

[Hugin]

13. He's been 100% politicizing a global pandemic for eight months...

and nobody has called him on it yet.

Why stop there?

[democrattotheend]

14. Any president would be itching to get back to the White House

Especially a month before he's up for re-election. Politicians take risks with their health all the time during a campaign because they can't afford to be cooped up and risk looking weak. Hillary was out there campaigning with pneumonia in 2016 for the same reason, and only took a couple days to recover after the stumbling incident at the 9/11 memorial.

That doesn't mean Trump is being smart, or that he's not being selfish by needlessly exposing the people around him to a deadly virus. But he's hardly the first president/presidential candidate to go against medical advice in order to get back to work/campaigning as soon as possible.

[Mike 03]

15. And if we think we've seen a COVID breakout at the White House so far

(and we have) just wait until this asshole goes back there and issues demands and commands to the people still there to wait on him hand and foot.

[njhoneybadger]

16. This could be where he finally crashes and burns.

Casey Jones better watch his speed.

[FakeNoose]

17. He'll croak in about a week

But before he does, he'll infect as many of his family and employees as he can.
They should all leave the White House today - quit en masse.

[we can do it]

18. It is what it is.

[Jarqui]

31. Thank you for that one

[we can do it]

58. 😻

[ihas2stinkyfeet]

19. there was a tweet posted here this am of a big box being wheeled into the wh

in the dead of night. speculation was that it was an O2 chamber, or a whole building O2 generator.
or that the wh doc's office was being upgraded to an icu.

i guess whatever it was is installed now.

[Wicked Blue]

38. Maybe it was a postal sorting machine

for him to dismantle

[Jirel]

21. Likely correct, and that's a-ok!

If he tanks himself, infects more senators, the kids, and staff... up the voltage!

[LiberalArkie]

22. He is all their boss. Plain and simple.

[DemUnleashed]

26. Never Thinks Ahead

He always plays checkers....never chess!

[iscooterliberally]

28. I wanted trump to live long enough to die in prison.

I guess he's not smart enough to pull it off.

[h2ebits]

48. Me too!

I told a friend that very thing yesterday.

[iscooterliberally]

95. Welcome to DU!

[h2ebits]

97. Thanks.

Actually I've been "mostly" lurking here on DU for years. It's a major news source for me with all of the people who contribute articles from the various other high quality news sources available. I post a lot of items to Facebook as I consider it to be my effort to counter the assault on our country through social media.We all must do our part. . . .

[TheRickles]

30. Disappointing that no doc has put their foot down to stop this nonsense, or resigned in protest.

[Dukkha]

32. FDR was fortunate not to have television

or the vanity and stupidity of this idiot man-child.

[ecstatic]

33. Would they be able to treat him at the White House? nt

[Dr. Jack]

46. I'm sure to an extent

I have no clue what the medical facilities are like in the White House but it's probably closer to maybe what you would find at your local immediate care clinic, not an ICU or any specialty wards that you would find at a hospital. Based on the fact that he had to go to a full-blown hospital on Friday makes me think the White House isnt equipped for any serious medical procedures.

So yes, the White House is better than your average home in terms of dealing with medical issues but likely not built to handle a severe case of COVID. Unless his doctors have a very good handle on it and he is somehow in better shape than we think (seems unlikely given his age, symptoms and treatment that we know about, time line thus far, and the fact he was rushed to the hospital Friday evening) then I would be willing to bet he will be back at Walter Reed very soon and he will probably be in worse shape than he was last Friday.

[BlueWavePsych]

34. A relapse is usually far worse.

And IT has not even recovered.

[lark]

35. God, wouldn't it be great if he just passes out after yelling so much at 2nd debate?

That's what I'm hoping for, a total face plant because he is still sick.

Also - Biden should insist on screens. drumpf really hurt himself with the last performance, but I still think Biden should insist on mike closings for the 2 min. each is responding or not go for the 2nd debate as a favor to a weary nation.

[Captain Zero]

50. Don't debate him if he is still positive before the debate.

No way. None of us would be allowed at a public function after we walked out of the hospital on our own decision and still testing positive.

[wnylib]

52. Imagine a collapse during the debate.

Really good for the ratings he is always raving about.

But, since Trump and his team cannot be trusted I strongly oppose an in person second debate. For the same reason, I strongly oppose an in person VP debate.

Not only to protect the Dem candidates, but everyone else involved in the debates, too.

[Blue_true]

64. The debate is 10 days away.

My bet is he doesn’t not make it to that debate. He will likely be back in the hospital.

[Jarqui]

37. Not a shock as it is so stupid

In part, he's probably feeling the heat because if he doesn't win, he's going to jail.

If this virus comes back, as it probably will and often does, he'll be in deep trouble.

[kedrys]

39. On the other hand...

...when your enemy is f*cking up severe, ffs don’t interrupt.

[BlueWavePsych]

53. Agree. IT needs to remain on the ballot till until Nov 3 tho.

[ashredux]

40. IT IS WHAT IT IS...

[vapor2]

42. I don't know what to think but I believe Dr Gupta who says 45 has covid pneumonia .

With his drug cocktail it scares the crap out of me that he has the nuclear codes

[Dr. Jack]

60. I agree

Trump is probably far more sick than he is letting on. If he is sitting in the white house and things go downhill fast, which is very, very possible, they likely don't have the facilities to deal with it. He will have to be rushed back to Walter Reed and it's hard to say if he can make it back fast enough. This is an extremely dangerous move on his part, I think.

Of course they are being so secretive that we are forced to speculate a lot but from what little confirmed info that we have, Trump is likely in far worse shape than they are admitting and I wouldn't be surprised if his health deteriorates very quickly over the next day or two. Purely from a medical stand point, they are making me incredibly nervous. Maybe they know something I don't but I can't think of any probable circumstances where Trump leaving the hospital is in any way a good idea.

[Illumination]

43. A C-19 Psych Ward is the best place for him other than hell. Then again, it seems he's

:already living a hell he created...

[Turbineguy]

47. In New York, they used to call that a

AMFYOYO Discharge.

Maybe they still do?

[Lucinda]

55. I think he is afraid the demand will grow for him to step down - so he will do what he can to fake

improvement. He knows that he is screwed if he loses without ACB in place on SCOTUS
Incredibly stupid move to go home...but makes sense to me from his perspective.

[Universal Karma]

56. Universal Justice?

I'm guessing Trump might have to start paying his debt.

[steve2470]

57. I will be very surprised if he does not return to Walter Reed

He just might be on his death bed if he comes back.

[Dr. Jack]

68. Based on what we know, he probably hasn't seen the worst of it yet

It's difficult to say when his symptoms started, when he first tested positive, what drugs he's on, etc since they are clearly not being straight with us. But my guess is that he first tested positive last Tuesday, started showing symptoms Wednesday, got really bad Thursday into Friday to the point where the White House medical resources were insufficient and he finally had to go to the hospital Friday afternoon. Even if he is on the road to recovery, which I highly doubt, he still has a week or two before doctors can say he's in the clear. But he's clearly not recovering and is still well before we can confidently say his symptoms have peaked. Fucking morons.

[steve2470]

69. Trump is definitely a moron, and any doctor who agreed to this departure is a moron

Based on what I know, I do think he will get very sick again (if he's not already very sick) at the White House and do his best to stay there. Eventually, his handlers will force him back to Walter Reed. The way Trump is, I think he will wait until the last possible minute and have to be emergency medivaced back to Walter Reed. I can easily see him dying at Walter Reed in the next few weeks. If he would actually follow sound medical advice without any politics, he might actually survive this. Because of his obsessive need to campaign and save his ass from defeat and probably prosecution, I am quite doubtful he will survive. We shall see.

Best wishes to you, Dr. Jack

[Blue_true]

70. If he does go back to the hospital, he is finished in more ways than one.

It seems like he is playing out an endgame. It seems to me that he doesn’t care if he dies, because he knows that worse awaits him once he is out of office. Karma is catching up to his behind, and we all know what happens when Karma closes that gap.

[PatrickforO]

61. It won't end well for Trump or the Republicans, for sure,

but judging by the big bump Biden has gotten over the last few days in the polls, it will be good for the rest of us. And all other life on the planet.

[Lonestarblue]

63. I don't really care what happens to him.

It’s his choice to leave the hospital, and if that ends badly so be it. No great loss.

[bucolic_frolic]

65. Whatever happens, I just hope it ends soon

The country is enduring torture. Every day.

[amuse bouche]

67. I agree 100%

He's a walking mine field

[yardwork]

72. Or, he's never been as sick as advertised.

I never thought he was faking his diagnosis, but now I'm wondering if he's had a mild case all along.

[BlueWavePsych]

75. Drumpf's sicker than IT seems.

Lying doc downplaying Drumpf's condition is standard playbook for worsening condition.

[Dr. Jack]

78. I doubt he's faking

Or that they are playing up symptoms. I don't have a lot of time right now to list the reasons why medically and politically why I think he is not only sick but that he is probably worse off than is being advertised but there is a lot of evidence that this is entirely real and very bad.

[yardwork]

80. I'll take your word for it. I never thought he was faking.

If you think he's very sick, I'll take your word for it. A trip to Walter Reed sounds serious to me.

In that case, seems like medical malpractice to send him back to the White House unless they've rigged up an ICU there that will quarantine him.

I just had a thought. Apparently he's greeting soldiers at Walter Reed. They probably want him out of there. He's not quarantining and is spreading COVID everywhere.

[Dr. Jack]

82. Keep in mind, his doctors cant force him to do anything

Unless they could convince his family to say his judgement is compromised and let them take over his treatment decisions, which is never going to happen unless he slips into a coma or something, this is 100% up to Trump. The reality is all his doctors can do is give him recommendations and if he refuses to follow them then their hands are mostly tied. They also can't reveal any information that he doesn't want them to so by and large it's not their fault as long as they are being honest with him. Any decisions he makes, anything they are allowed to tell the public, they likely have little to no control over.

I tell new doctors all of the time that people are allowed to make their own terrible health decisions and that is what I think is happening here.

[ehrnst]

73. His kids and Melania are lurking like vultures, I imagine.

What a fucking pathetic life lived.

[MadMike47]

76. It is what it is.

[Jon King]

77. As a junior tennis coach....

we teach the kids to ignore the opponent's drama and focus on their own games. So many times in Florida competitive tennis the players will act hurt, yell at themselves that they stink, wait for a let down by the opponent, then magically be fine. We have to approach this entire Trump Covid thing the same way. Just focus on Biden/Harris, donate, GOTV.

Nothing would surprise me with Trump, he could end up very sick within a few days or it all being a hoax with him showing he is fine at the next debate hoping that gives him 'magical powers' to enough low intellect swing voters in PA.

[citizen blues]

87. With the cocktail of drugs that he's on,....

it's very likely he has Covid pneumonia. That's the shit that put people on ventilators. He's risking this turning into a cytokine storm which means this decision could well prove fatal.

I've had a mild version of Covid and being obese and asthmatic, the possibility of that pneumonia scared the hell out of me. I was up walking around and doing breathing exercises to keep my lungs clear. I didn't have a team of doctors helping me. I was left on my own to fight it, but I listened to experts like Dr. John Campbell, Fauci, etc., and this became a strategy that worked.

For Trump, his bloated ego has become a death wish because he doesn't want to face the ballot box or the consequences of his crimes.

[Dr. Jack]

88. A lot of patients get a 2nd wave of symptoms in the 2nd-3rd week

Due to an immune system overreaction. Those are often what ends up being fatal. If he has had symptoms for let's day 5 days, which is probably roughly when he really started feeling it, he is no where close to saying that the worst has passed. In fact, I think he is likely to get hit very hard, harder than he already has, before the week is even over. They are taking a massive risk.

[Captain Zero]

90. I started saying in 2016 this will all end badly, very badly.

nt

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

93. If they have to carry him out gasping for breath

they won't allow the cameras anywhere near him.

[sps sps]

94. trump will step down for long enough for Pence to pardon him

after trump's loss at the ballot box becomes virtually certain he will use covid-19 infection as a pretext to allow Pence to take over the office and pardon all of Trump's past and future crimes.

[scipan]

99. How well does the dexamethasone work?

Can it completely shut down the immune response? Can it reliably eliminate the cytokine storm?

Also, nobody is talking about all the other ways this virus can kill. It attacks blood vessels, kidneys, heart...