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(57,073 posts)I had same feeling today.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)be done on the federal level. I doubt that Joe would reverse a pardon, that would create way too much turmoil, especially given that we need MAGATS to cooperate in getting the nation back rightside-up. I would even expect the New York State case to be settled for a fine instead of going to criminal Court if Trump resigns and is pardoned on the federal level by Pence.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)To not prosecute EVERY SINGLE ONE involved.
I think this would be perceived as "both parties are the same" argument.
Serious mistake.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Trumpism, to me, that is the downside to letting him slide if he quits.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Every. Single. One. Of. Them.
From chumputin on down.
Stiff sentences & assets seized.
Absolute must.
AZ8theist
(5,483 posts)Or our democracy is forever fucked.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Must get bad players out of positions of power.
They all must go down.
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lostnfound
(16,189 posts)Worse than prison, for him.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)AZ8theist
(5,483 posts)Tax Evasion
Money Laundering
Tax Fraud
Bank Fraud
Conspiracy
Witness tampering
Emoluments
And last but not least: TREASON
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)And he has been doing that since the 80's. As has Ivanka, Jared, Donnie Jr and Eric. They are all part of "TRUMP CORP".
All of his/their assets can be taken.
Letitia James, NYAG should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.
He should die in jail, and the rest of the klan should spend at least 20 yrs (I'm trying to be kind), and be penniless when they get out.
chowder66
(9,074 posts)Hell they would probably become Evangelical leaders to shake down the gullible at that point.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Hell, Trump would have tent revivals every other night to shake down MAGAT evangelicals.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)rwsanders
(2,606 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Nixon didnt have state level crime issues like Trump has, though.
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Tribetime
(4,701 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Absolutely must prpsecite every single one to the fullest extent of the law, with harsh sentences!
Absolute must!
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)Do you???
malaise
(269,134 posts)Takket
(21,603 posts)he can't contest the election (which has about a 1% chance of working but it is the only chance he has) if he doesn't actually GET to the election.
if he resigns, the NY State AG nails his ass to the wall 5 seconds later.
BannonsLiver
(16,434 posts)Its actually kind of ludicrous. Trump is hopped up on roids and is aggressive. Aggressive people dont surrender. And beyond that, hes likely been advised by Putin at some point that no matter what, dont ever cede power.
Id also mention this guy claimed to have sources on something else over the weekend that didnt end up happening. I think he just likes to tweet a lot.
It is still plausible in my view that Trump might resign if he loses if he can secure a pardon. At that point the pardon becomes the last big chip he has, as far as any federal charges.
yardwork
(61,690 posts)It looks like I copied yours but I promise I was thinking the same, not plagiarizing yours!
I guess more than a few of us are thinking that this is all ludicrous.
BannonsLiver
(16,434 posts)I didnt think I was alone in that.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,334 posts)Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself.
If under the Twenty-Fifth Amendment the President declared that he was temporarily unable to perform the duties of the office, the Vice President would become Acting President and as such could pardon the President. Thereafter the President could either resign or resume the duties of his office.
Although as a general matter Congress cannot enact amnesty or pardoning legislation, because to do so would interfere with the pardoning power vested expressly in the President by the Constitution, it could be argued that a congressional pardon granted to the President would not interfere with the Presidents pardoning power because that power does not extend to the President himself.
While DOJ guidelines do say that a sitting president cannot be indicted, this would protect Trump from facing charges when he leaves office. This kind of a move would be seen as improper to the highest order, but desperate times call for desperate measures. How persuasive would this non-binding opinion even be? We dont know, this hasnt been tried before.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)People have been predicted his resignation for years now.
yardwork
(61,690 posts)This is kind of ludicrous. Trump doesn't act like somebody who is thinking about quitting. Far from it. He's on a manic narcissistic roid high.
And he's not alone. Unfortunately, he's still surrounded by lots of enablers. Especially in Congress.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Trump will save his worst for last. He's not resigning.
BigmanPigman
(51,621 posts)yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)Deep and spreadable
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)I'm always suspicious of GOP/Republican "scoops" that Dems like Cooper and Garland get before anyone else. If this take is legit Robert Costa have it. He's got the best GOP sources.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)to totally bankrupt him, i.e force sale of every property, dig into his kids pockets, etc
ananda
(28,873 posts)There are so many other things that Trump can
be tried and convicted for.
In any case, its SCOTUS that really matters.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Keeps claiming to have all these high level GOP sources
DrToast
(6,414 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Which of the ones that are left will even sit in a room with him?
Hes toast.
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roamer65
(36,747 posts)Done. Stick a fork in him after January 20.
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KS Toronado
(17,291 posts)roamer65
(36,747 posts)canetoad
(17,175 posts)Before charges.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Whatevs.
Kingofalldems
(38,468 posts)mnmoderatedem
(3,728 posts)whoa talk about a ship that has sailed
Solomon
(12,319 posts)BarbD
(1,193 posts)He will leave kicking, screaming and tweeting.
gristy
(10,667 posts)Make it so. :|
BlueWavePsych
(2,635 posts)NewDayOranges
(692 posts)But NY AG Leticia James will still nail his ass for something!
Cha
(297,471 posts)"he's done" when he's done.
Not that I don't believe.. I just want it to happen and then I rejoice.. there may be some dancing in the streets.
Also, I guess things aren't going as well with all the Maggot Gaslighting as they act like it is.
Renew Deal
(81,868 posts)Will the Trump true believers show up on election day?
jmbar2
(4,902 posts)Doesn't turn up in a Google search.
Kingofalldems
(38,468 posts)But maybe.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)JDC
(10,130 posts)Demonaut
(8,924 posts)Skittles
(153,174 posts)that still makes me LOL after all these years
Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)And lets say Pence can play fortune teller, he can't pardon him from SDNY. So, if this is remotely true, it's just desperation from a maniacal, covid laden narcissist. It means nothing. His campaign IS kaput. We just have a few more weeks to ride this bullshit out.
canetoad
(17,175 posts)Celerity
(43,469 posts)he can do nothing about state charges in re. Rump
Ford pardoned Nixon in this manner
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)After the criminal shit-show that has been his administration, rife with treason, homicidal negligence, racism, violence, divisiveness, corruption and crimes against humanity, I'm not sure a federal pardon will take care of it for him.
And I hope not. He honestly belongs in a prison cell.
canetoad
(17,175 posts)But let him think so. teehee
mn9driver
(4,428 posts)There seem to be more of them every day.
Sogo
(4,990 posts)Xolodno
(6,398 posts)Even if it was true, fairly sure he resigns after the election.
And I don't doubt Pence will pardon him, he chained himself to this dead carcass (won't use hooker, they deserve better respect). So he has no future in politics....other than a token resistance in four years.
And I'll state it again, the state prosecutions will settle out of court or get dropped. Just the way it is. Oh and he'll add at least one more bankruptcy to his name.
Upthevibe
(8,067 posts)Thanks for this post. Honestly, I don't know what to think or what should be done....
aeromanKC
(3,326 posts)chowder66
(9,074 posts)over at twitter. It's expired. Once you start digging you will see what I mean.
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liberaltrucker
(9,130 posts)I hope I'm wrong.