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Freepers: This is HUGH!!!11!! (Original Post) Kingofalldems Oct 2020 OP
No pardon! Do crime, serve time! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #1
Unfortunately, if he resigns and Pence pardons him, there is nothing that can Blue_true Oct 2020 #9
You may be right, but it will be an enormpus mistake SheltieLover Oct 2020 #16
I see your point. If no one goes to jail, then we will see a future variant of Blue_true Oct 2020 #18
Absolutely must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #24
NO QUARTER, DOTURD MUST DIE IN PRISON. AZ8theist Oct 2020 #54
Also SheltieLover Oct 2020 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueWavePsych Oct 2020 #35
Confiscation of his property could still occur, for taxes owed. lostnfound Oct 2020 #43
That would be good. And yes, that would literally kill him. nt Blue_true Oct 2020 #44
That's just a start. AZ8theist Oct 2020 #55
RICO Money laundering not_the_one Oct 2020 #59
He and/or his family would scam his way back I fear. chowder66 Oct 2020 #67
A big time evangelical like Howard Colson, the Watergate wannabe knee-breaker. Blue_true Oct 2020 #76
I'm sure as retribution for this perversion of justice, Pence can be imprisoned for something too. TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 #47
Does a pre-emptive pardon stand? What if he was charged after January? rwsanders Oct 2020 #61
Nixon got a pre-emotive pardon. That ended all legal activity against him. Blue_true Oct 2020 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author drray23 Oct 2020 #2
No pardon period Tribetime Oct 2020 #3
Right! SheltieLover Oct 2020 #17
I don't believe this for a second. mindfulNJ Oct 2020 #4
I don't only believe it - I predicted it malaise Oct 2020 #6
not a bit...... Takket Oct 2020 #7
No, I don't believe it BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #13
I'm sorry - I didn't read your post before I wrote mine! yardwork Oct 2020 #27
No worries BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #34
If trump has to relinquish power temporarily for a medical procedure Pence can alway pardon him. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2020 #66
I agree. cwydro Oct 2020 #69
No. So far Hicks and Miller are still around. He hasn't lost them. yardwork Oct 2020 #25
Another sucker thread Awsi Dooger Oct 2020 #45
Hell NO! BigmanPigman Oct 2020 #49
He can resign but he is still on the ballot so he will still lose. I already voted against him. yellowcanine Oct 2020 #5
BS superpatriotman Oct 2020 #8
I Think This is Bogus - He's Facing Serious State Charges That Can't Be Pardoned by Pence Indykatie Oct 2020 #10
Just hope the state charges are enough moonscape Oct 2020 #41
Good grief! ananda Oct 2020 #11
Not so sure of Cooper Roland99 Oct 2020 #12
Yeah, I don't buy his stuff DrToast Oct 2020 #20
No one will go near that guy. Cracklin Charlie Oct 2020 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Cracklin Charlie Oct 2020 #15
Advised by who? Some vlogger with 14 subs? Need more. Chichiri Oct 2020 #19
Get a brain, morans Blue Owl Oct 2020 #21
Internet Rando says what? nt Codeine Oct 2020 #22
Jon Cooper is not exactly a "rando".. Cha Oct 2020 #39
Pence can't pardon NY state crimes. roamer65 Oct 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueWavePsych Oct 2020 #37
I don't understand how Pence can pardon him for Federal crimes he hasn't been charged with yet. KS Toronado Oct 2020 #58
That is true as well. roamer65 Oct 2020 #65
Ford pardoned Nixon canetoad Oct 2020 #70
"USA News Agency"? hatrack Oct 2020 #26
Note the title of the OP. Kingofalldems Oct 2020 #28
"resign in honor" mnmoderatedem Oct 2020 #29
Indeed! Solomon Oct 2020 #46
You can't put honor and Trump in the same sentence. BarbD Oct 2020 #50
From Jon Cooper's tweet to God's ears. gristy Oct 2020 #31
NO PARDON! BlueWavePsych Oct 2020 #32
The Orange one can talk to Pence about a pardon... NewDayOranges Oct 2020 #33
Yeah, not to be too cynical but I'll see Cha Oct 2020 #36
Is the play to lose the presidential election, without taking down the rest of the republican party? Renew Deal Oct 2020 #38
Is this a reliable news source? jmbar2 Oct 2020 #40
Most likey not true, hence the title. Kingofalldems Oct 2020 #42
I'm not buying it. nt yaesu Oct 2020 #48
I'll believe it when I see it. JDC Oct 2020 #51
lol Demonaut Oct 2020 #52
HUGH!!!11!! Skittles Oct 2020 #53
How the hell is Pence going to pardon him when he hasn't even been charged w anything? Vivienne235729 Oct 2020 #56
This canetoad Oct 2020 #71
he can blanket pardon him for any past, present, future FEDERAL crimes arising from his presidency Celerity Oct 2020 #78
Too late for him to resign with any honor at all. PatrickforO Oct 2020 #57
Right on, Patrick canetoad Oct 2020 #72
Freeper alternate universe source. mn9driver Oct 2020 #60
Who is Jon Cooper? Sogo Oct 2020 #62
I'm skeptical. Xolodno Oct 2020 #63
Kingofalldems... Upthevibe Oct 2020 #64
Trump will want to die in Office aeromanKC Oct 2020 #68
This is bogus if you care to dig a little. Check out the website address in the twitter handle chowder66 Oct 2020 #73
Check out their twitter bio chowder66 Oct 2020 #74
I detect the distinct aroma of bullshit liberaltrucker Oct 2020 #75

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
9. Unfortunately, if he resigns and Pence pardons him, there is nothing that can
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:11 PM
Oct 2020

be done on the federal level. I doubt that Joe would reverse a pardon, that would create way too much turmoil, especially given that we need MAGATS to cooperate in getting the nation back rightside-up. I would even expect the New York State case to be settled for a fine instead of going to criminal Court if Trump resigns and is pardoned on the federal level by Pence.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
16. You may be right, but it will be an enormpus mistake
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:21 PM
Oct 2020

To not prosecute EVERY SINGLE ONE involved.

I think this would be perceived as "both parties are the same" argument.

Serious mistake.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
18. I see your point. If no one goes to jail, then we will see a future variant of
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:24 PM
Oct 2020

Trumpism, to me, that is the downside to letting him slide if he quits.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
24. Absolutely must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:27 PM
Oct 2020

Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

From chumputin on down.

Stiff sentences & assets seized.

Absolute must.

Response to Blue_true (Reply #9)

AZ8theist

(5,483 posts)
55. That's just a start.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 11:36 PM
Oct 2020

Tax Evasion
Money Laundering
Tax Fraud
Bank Fraud
Conspiracy
Witness tampering
Emoluments
And last but not least: TREASON

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
59. RICO Money laundering
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 11:40 PM
Oct 2020

And he has been doing that since the 80's. As has Ivanka, Jared, Donnie Jr and Eric. They are all part of "TRUMP CORP".

All of his/their assets can be taken.

Letitia James, NYAG should prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

He should die in jail, and the rest of the klan should spend at least 20 yrs (I'm trying to be kind), and be penniless when they get out.

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
67. He and/or his family would scam his way back I fear.
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 12:05 AM
Oct 2020

Hell they would probably become Evangelical leaders to shake down the gullible at that point.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
76. A big time evangelical like Howard Colson, the Watergate wannabe knee-breaker.
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 07:23 PM
Oct 2020

Hell, Trump would have tent revivals every other night to shake down MAGAT evangelicals.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
77. Nixon got a pre-emotive pardon. That ended all legal activity against him.
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 07:25 PM
Oct 2020

Nixon didn’t have state level crime issues like Trump has, though.

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
17. Right!
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:24 PM
Oct 2020

Absolutely must prpsecite every single one to the fullest extent of the law, with harsh sentences!

Absolute must!

Takket

(21,603 posts)
7. not a bit......
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:09 PM
Oct 2020

he can't contest the election (which has about a 1% chance of working but it is the only chance he has) if he doesn't actually GET to the election.

if he resigns, the NY State AG nails his ass to the wall 5 seconds later.

BannonsLiver

(16,434 posts)
13. No, I don't believe it
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:16 PM
Oct 2020

It’s actually kind of ludicrous. Trump is hopped up on roids and is aggressive. Aggressive people don’t surrender. And beyond that, he’s likely been advised by Putin at some point that no matter what, don’t ever cede power.

I’d also mention this guy claimed to have sources on something else over the weekend that didn’t end up happening. I think he just likes to tweet a lot.

It is still plausible in my view that Trump might resign if he loses if he can secure a pardon. At that point the pardon becomes the last big chip he has, as far as any federal charges.

yardwork

(61,690 posts)
27. I'm sorry - I didn't read your post before I wrote mine!
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:30 PM
Oct 2020

It looks like I copied yours but I promise I was thinking the same, not plagiarizing yours!

I guess more than a few of us are thinking that this is all ludicrous.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,334 posts)
66. If trump has to relinquish power temporarily for a medical procedure Pence can alway pardon him.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 11:58 PM
Oct 2020
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/president-trump-could-theoretically-invoke-the-25th-amendment-and-be-pardoned-by-mike-pence/

This opinion shows that there is theoretically a scenario where Trump could invoke the 25th Amendment to temporarily remove himself from office and be pardoned by Acting President Mike Pence and either resign or resume the duties of his office. Don’t take our word for it, take the DOJ’s:

Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself.

If under the Twenty-Fifth Amendment the President declared that he was temporarily unable to perform the duties of the office, the Vice President would become Acting President and as such could pardon the President. Thereafter the President could either resign or resume the duties of his office.

Although as a general matter Congress cannot enact amnesty or pardoning legislation, because to do so would interfere with the pardoning power vested expressly in the President by the Constitution, it could be argued that a congressional pardon granted to the President would not interfere with the President’s pardoning power because that power does not extend to the President himself.



While DOJ guidelines do say that a sitting president cannot be indicted, this would protect Trump from facing charges when he leaves office. This kind of a move would be seen as improper to the highest order, but desperate times call for desperate measures. How persuasive would this non-binding opinion even be? We don’t know, this hasn’t been tried before.

yardwork

(61,690 posts)
25. No. So far Hicks and Miller are still around. He hasn't lost them.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:28 PM
Oct 2020

This is kind of ludicrous. Trump doesn't act like somebody who is thinking about quitting. Far from it. He's on a manic narcissistic roid high.

And he's not alone. Unfortunately, he's still surrounded by lots of enablers. Especially in Congress.

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
10. I Think This is Bogus - He's Facing Serious State Charges That Can't Be Pardoned by Pence
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:11 PM
Oct 2020

I'm always suspicious of GOP/Republican "scoops" that Dems like Cooper and Garland get before anyone else. If this take is legit Robert Costa have it. He's got the best GOP sources.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
41. Just hope the state charges are enough
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:52 PM
Oct 2020

to totally bankrupt him, i.e force sale of every property, dig into his kids pockets, etc

ananda

(28,873 posts)
11. Good grief!
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:12 PM
Oct 2020

There are so many other things that Trump can
be tried and convicted for.

In any case, it’s SCOTUS that really matters.

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

Cha

(297,471 posts)
39. Jon Cooper is not exactly a "rando"..
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:46 PM
Oct 2020

Jon Cooper 🇺🇸

@joncoopertweets
#TeamJoe. Formerly Chair of
@TheDemCoalition
;
National Finance Chair for Draft Biden 2016; Long Island Campaign Chair for @BarackObama

. Views=mine.

New YorkJoeBiden.comJoined March 2009

48.6K Following
605K Followers

Response to roamer65 (Reply #23)

NewDayOranges

(692 posts)
33. The Orange one can talk to Pence about a pardon...
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:35 PM
Oct 2020

But NY AG Leticia James will still nail his ass for something!

Cha

(297,471 posts)
36. Yeah, not to be too cynical but I'll see
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:40 PM
Oct 2020

"he's done" when he's done.

Not that I don't believe.. I just want it to happen and then I rejoice.. there may be some dancing in the streets.

Also, I guess things aren't going as well with all the Maggot Gaslighting as they act like it is.

Renew Deal

(81,868 posts)
38. Is the play to lose the presidential election, without taking down the rest of the republican party?
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 09:44 PM
Oct 2020

Will the Trump true believers show up on election day?

Vivienne235729

(3,384 posts)
56. How the hell is Pence going to pardon him when he hasn't even been charged w anything?
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 11:37 PM
Oct 2020

And lets say Pence can play fortune teller, he can't pardon him from SDNY. So, if this is remotely true, it's just desperation from a maniacal, covid laden narcissist. It means nothing. His campaign IS kaput. We just have a few more weeks to ride this bullshit out.

Celerity

(43,469 posts)
78. he can blanket pardon him for any past, present, future FEDERAL crimes arising from his presidency
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 07:43 PM
Oct 2020

he can do nothing about state charges in re. Rump


Ford pardoned Nixon in this manner

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
57. Too late for him to resign with any honor at all.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 11:38 PM
Oct 2020

After the criminal shit-show that has been his administration, rife with treason, homicidal negligence, racism, violence, divisiveness, corruption and crimes against humanity, I'm not sure a federal pardon will take care of it for him.

And I hope not. He honestly belongs in a prison cell.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
63. I'm skeptical.
Tue Oct 6, 2020, 11:49 PM
Oct 2020

Even if it was true, fairly sure he resigns after the election.

And I don't doubt Pence will pardon him, he chained himself to this dead carcass (won't use hooker, they deserve better respect). So he has no future in politics....other than a token resistance in four years.

And I'll state it again, the state prosecutions will settle out of court or get dropped. Just the way it is. Oh and he'll add at least one more bankruptcy to his name.

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
73. This is bogus if you care to dig a little. Check out the website address in the twitter handle
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 12:48 AM
Oct 2020

over at twitter. It's expired. Once you start digging you will see what I mean.

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
74. Check out their twitter bio
Wed Oct 7, 2020, 12:57 AM
Oct 2020
https://twitter.com/USANewsAgency

The United States News Agency™ is an on-line, non-profit, non-governmental news site. We support a strong military, strong police. #Veterans #BlueLivesMatter
New York, NYUnitedStatesNewsAgency.comJoined July 2015
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