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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs Covid going to affect your Thanksgiving and Christmas plans this year?
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)If it doesnt itll infect everyone
Cha
(297,497 posts)lapfog_1
(29,218 posts)onecaliberal
(32,882 posts)Blue Owl
(50,482 posts)Thanks Donny
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)I usually fry a turkey and have a big Thanksgiving.
Not this year.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)CozyMystery
(652 posts)I have an aggressive cancer. On Chemo for next 6 months. Moved out of my home. One of my sons will be living with me. We are not going to be getting together with the rest of the family (don't know if they will either, but some live together anyway) to celebrate anything. Too dangerous. My husband doesn't follow the covid rules.
Biggest problem is that I do everything to prepare for Thanksgiving and Christmas, but that won't be possible this year. I think it likely that no one will pick up the ball and run with it.
brer cat
(24,591 posts)especially during this time of covid. It's time to look after yourself; if the others don't pick up the ball, then it is their problem.
I hope the chemo is successful and not too debilitating.
CozyMystery
(652 posts)On the bright side, I am not nauseated.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)marybourg
(12,633 posts)wont be asked repeatedly if Im ready for Christmas. I live in a warmer, but less progressive area than you.
RockRaven
(14,985 posts)Americans... Again.
Yes. Absolutely yes. Holiday plans totally blown up and derailed. Kaput. Just any other autumn day.
StarryNite
(9,458 posts)BlueSpot
(856 posts)We've done everything we can to be safe but there will not be a family Thanksgiving for sure and likely not a family Christmas this year. I plan to have purchases shipped directly to parents of the little ones who won't understand this.
I feel for myself but I really do feel for the kids. I can imagine the questions - "Does Santa have Covid" or even "Can Santa get Covid" have to be right up there at the top. Or the elves or the reindeer. It's just so sad.
Silent3
(15,254 posts)I usually visit family by flying to Ohio, and I don't intend do any flying until COVID is under control.
I suppose we could drive there (only did that once... a twelve-hour drive), but even then I don't think close, prolonged contact with relatives in another state is all that good an idea either. Especially since my oldest sister (with whom we usually stay) has some health issues that mean she really needs to be careful.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,678 posts)My daughter's in laws love to cook and have big dinner parties, and we always go. We haven't heard yet this year if they're still going to do them.
Strictly speaking, they shouldn't, since none of us live with them. But I'm not sure. If we hear that they are going ahead, we will send our regrets. It's just not safe for me and my husband.
It makes me sad.
mokawanis
(4,450 posts)My wife and I spent Thanksgiving and Christmas with our 3 kids every year for 34 years. This year it will be just my wife and I for the holidays. It's heartbreaking, but we feel we have no choice but to continue to quarantine.
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Last year I had the nicest Christmas of my entire life. I'm happy that I got to have it before this pandemic.
As for this year, well, if we can all get through the holidays safely, it'll be just fine. I'm pretty sure i'll be spending it mostly alone, and that'll have to be ok.
Xolodno
(6,398 posts)I used to host the "family tradition" every year for awhile.
Then, family stopped helping out and just showed up for a meal at my expense...while condemning Democrats.
The last one, I had to call the cops because one got drunk and violent. Since then, said, fuck it.
With my wife and I, its been enjoyable. Nothing to stress over or deal with. Instead of smoking a 20+ pound turkey, its far smaller and quicker...meaning, I don't have to start before dawn. One year, we even spent it out of state on vacation. It was a Condo Resort, so the oven we used. Wasn't as good as home, but it was still good and we had better scenery and activities for the week.
Some friends prior to COVID expressed getting together, but obviously, its out of the question for now. But doesn't bug us.
JDC
(10,130 posts)Grammy23
(5,810 posts)Our oldest grandson is getting married in an outdoor ceremony on Nov. 15th. We were not going to go but it was killing me to miss it and he was hurt we were not coming. So we reconsidered and may be going. We have rented a cabin at a state park to cut down on contacts at a hotel. They have planned an outdoor ceremony and will have wrist bands for elderly guests or others who want to make sure there is social distancing. Every measure will be taken to keep us safe.
We are still keeping a close eye on the Covid situation before we tell our grandson well be there. If things are wildly out of control we wont go. I am crossing my fingers that we can. I might get a matching mask for my dress.
We also hope that if we cant go that they will do a Zoom wedding or FaceBook Live. A wedding shower for them is this Saturday via FaceBook Live.
Ms. Toad
(34,085 posts)my spouse and I have held an open house to decorate our tree and share soup with friends and relatives from all areas of our life. We hold it on the Saturday closest to my father's birthday (89 this year). This would have been our 40th annual open house.
We have decided that - largely - we cannot hold one this year. We will try to substitute some sort of electronic gathering this year - but since the three highlights are food, baking cookies, and decorating the tree - it will be hard to replicate.
On my spouse's side of the family, for the past 73 years her 100+ relatives (descendants of 7 siblings) have met the day after Thanksgiving every year. There are typically between 75 and 100 people who show up. It has been cancelled for this year - and it is far from clear the 94 yearl old spinster matriarch will be around next year. She lives in a nursing home which has had some COVID cases - but is at more risk at the moment of dying from neglect by those who care for her. Until COVID hit, there was rarely (if ever) a day when one of the descendants of her 6 siblings was not with her at the nursing home - and without that family assistance she is not receiving proper care.
As for Thanksgiving - that will be a challenge. My spouse is not rigorous with masking, nor is her sister (who, for example, went to a bar - unmasked - after the funeral of her step-grandchild). We often go there for Thanskgiving. It will cause a family fight if I refuse to go, but it is not safe. We haven't even thought about Christmas - which we usually spend with my parents. Currently visits with them are limited to 2 hours outdoors, masked, with 6' distancing.
And - every year for the past 30 I have baked pies for Thanksgiving meal at a local homeless shelter. For the past 5 years I have also baked pies for the Thanksgiving meal at the law school where I teach/am an administrator. The former will continue (and I have just learned will accept donations), the latter is not happening.
marlakay
(11,482 posts)Dec 20th, this was supposed to be a big family gathering for us all to get together from all over for wedding and Christmas.
Now she is getting married with just parents and best friend. I could go but I found out my granddaughter is one of the its just the its just the flu I am not wearing a mask people so no way.
I haven't seen my daughter since last January. She only lives 6 hrs away but she works in the public fulltime and I don't want to be exposed.
So both holidays will be just us with Facetime.
We tried to talk her into waiting for wedding but they have been together 7 yrs and want to have a child and be married. I personally wouldn't get married or pregnant during this.
Initech
(100,097 posts)So yeah I'm guessing Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year's and next Valentine's Day and Easter will most likely be ruined by this fucking piece of shit virus.
Dem2theMax
(9,653 posts)No family left. My dad died just before Christmas, so now I can't stand Christmas. And his birthday often landed on Thanksgiving, so not real fond of that holiday anymore either.
The only good thing about Covid-19 is that I don't have to go into any store and see Christmas decorations this year.
Yes, I am now Scrooge.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)My father died just before Thanksgiving some years ago. Mom diagnosed with leukemia the week of Christmas, died after the New Year.
Mom and I always cooked together for the holidays. Last year I made dinner for me and my oldest friend. Heart wasnt in it.
I feel more up to it this year. I love to cook, so Thanksgiving will be something to look forward to.
Hang in there.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)10+ years ago I was planning my Mom's funeral on Christmas Eve, day.
For a few years after that, Christmas wasn't the same. I dreaded the season, was easily angered, withdrawn and moody. I couldn't figure out why. When I put 2 and 2 together I made a conscious choice to change it.
My Mom loved Christmas and always made sure us kids had a good one. Not only was I was doing my own kids a disservice with my attitude, I wasn't honoring my Mom.
My 1st step was to alleviate some of the stress. Instead of doing a huge turkey dinner, I switched it out to a rib roast. Dinner time was changed from 2:00 to 5:00 PM. No more getting up early to cook. I bought dessert. Most gifts were bought and wrapped the week after Thanksgiving. The de-stressing gave me the time to honor and grieve and honor her properly.
The kids remarked what a great day, I didn't yell at them, bark orders etc. And they were right. I decided then and there, that was going to be our new Christmas tradition.
My brother balked at not having a turkey or mac and cheese for Christmas. I simply told him he was free to cook them and bring 'em over, but I wasn't going to.
IOW use this year to do what you want to do, not what others expect from you.
Dem2theMax
(9,653 posts)And I'm the only one in the house. No kids, no grandkids, no significant other. So the only one who's missing out on it is me, and I'm not missing it.
My parents died five months apart in 2012. I was their caregiver for seven years. So I lived with them, and I'm the one who always decorated for Christmas.
Mom died in June of that year. Dad got sick just after his birthday, which was probably two days after Thanksgiving that year. He ended up in the hospital on the 2nd of December.
While dad was in the hospital, I put out a few decorations. I was afraid to put out too many decorations, as I didn't know how hard it would be on him to be here without Mom on Christmas. He died December 14th, never made it home.
I send out Christmas cards, but that's as far as I want to go.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)make those cards fabulous and enjoy it.
marlakay
(11,482 posts)I married my husband thinking he loved Christmas just like me he was so into it, but 5 years later when we moved out of state to semi retire he started with major attitude, caused fights, got after me for any holiday things I wanted to do and it took a few years before I realized Christmas was all about being with his daughter. Once she grew up and rarely invited us preferring to be with her mom or friends he hated Christmas.
Fast forward to 14 years later, after bringing me from loving Christmas to almost hating it, he is slowly changing too for me. He hung up lights without being asked last year, enjoyed getting tree, we always cut one down on farm, and didn't get moody and depressed.
I have no idea this Christmas but I am always hoping.
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)He hated what he was missing out on.
This year is going to be hard for many of us. Fuck covidtrump.
I hope you guys have a meeting of the minds. If he doesn't, force him to watch the Hallmark channel for 24 hours straight.
marlakay
(11,482 posts)But I watch. I don't force him to do anything. Just don't want him to make it miserable for me because he is. Covid has actually helped us with that. Since no one can travel or visit takes the bad feelings away.
Beakybird
(3,333 posts)No friends. No family. No $.
Just a saucy teenager who will be depressed about not getting an iPhone and who finds me quite dull.
My Maltese, on the other hand, thinks I'm the bee's knees.
I send love to my fellow DUers.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Christmas. I think as much as anything to check up on me. It has been over a year. We are kind of just waiting and seeing. They would both isolate before coming out here.
I doubt it will work. They do not want to kill me.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)moonscape
(4,673 posts)wearing on me. I just had a decade bday Sunday alone, and could never have imagined such a thing. Phone, Zoom, email, etc are lovely, but are sad substitutes for real life, in-person events, experiences, touch.
I dread facing the same for Christmas and New Years. But same it will be.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I got an amazing deal! It was a total bargain. However, now that I am thinking about it, I am a bit worried.
My brother in Baltimore is the one hosting and his kids have already had Covid, so they should be safe. However I am worried about my siblings other six kids. They are the ones who tend to spread it . Every single time I go to visit my sister in Maine during flu season I always come home sick. Strangely enough, it never happens with my Vermont brother's kids. I never get sick when I visit them. These Maine kids are vicious little killers!
Last year, after T-giving (after visiting my sister and her kids) I had a horrible Covid like cough where I could not breath and I kept trying to go into work, but they kept sending me home. I was sure it wasn't a flu because I didn't really have flu symptoms, but I was hacking so hard with a non-productive cough I could barely breathe. It lasted until mid-January. I went to work when I could, but I worked from home many days. Nobody wanted me to come into the office. I was completely flat out every weekend.
It was awful. I was coughing so hard I was choking on it and every night I had to come home and breathe steam and put hot Vicks compresses on my chest just to feel like I could breathe. Maybe it was a gift because it has made me so afraid of this virus. I never want to feel like that again.
However, it makes me terrified of this virus. I just don't ever want to feel that bad again. That is why I am being so careful now. It's still so fresh in my memory.
BigmanPigman
(51,623 posts)to mold in my new (actually very old but new for me) classroom. I would have to stop by Kaiser on the way home from school just to get help breathing. The school wouldn't let me call in sick either. Finally I went to my union and the whole building was destroyed since the mold was so bad. I also was allowed to stay home for 3 weeks to recover.
Are you sure you didn't have Covid back then?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I have heard that it is possible that Covid could have been here as early as last November, or even earlier. I didn't take it that seriously since this was before we had ever heard of it. It definitely scared me though.
I was supposed to have my annual physical next Wednesday and they cancelled and put it off until next March, however they will give me a flu and pneumonia shot next week. I am wondering if they would test me for Covid antibodies as well.
It was very strange because I knew a few people at the time with similar symptoms and there was talk about how it was so unusual. Not at all like a typical cold or flu. A lot of us were down for at least a month or more with very severe respiratory problems. In some ways, I still don't feel entirely recovered and I haven't been to a doctor since the whole Covid thing started.
BigmanPigman
(51,623 posts)I wonder how long the antibodies last and if they will be able to determine if indeed had it. You need to let us know what the results are.
I must Googled it and there are several articles which say it was here in Nov and Dec....
https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/03/already-had-covid-19/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)That makes me feel better, if I have already had it. I will definitely keep you posted. I will see if they will give me an antibody test on Wed along w/ my vaccines. I have been so afraid just because of that experience.
Thanks, Bigman!
BigmanPigman
(51,623 posts)Skittles
(153,174 posts)alone
volstork
(5,403 posts)My elderly parents are in assisted living, and there is limited access. Pretty sure this will be my dad's last Christmas, and he will likely not get to see his grandkids.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Then go to Columbia Cuban restaurant.
But Im still furloughed and we avoid restaurants.
At least I did not get layed-off.
Niagara
(7,646 posts)It's too early to know yet. It would be nice if I don't have to go to the MAGAts for either Thanksgiving or Christmas this year.
I'm tired of getting their unwanted re-gifts anyways.
NNadir
(33,538 posts)Big time social distancing.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)for not only family friends, but staff and readers of a publication I run. We love our annual gathering, making new friends and seeing old ones, but it's far too unsafe at this time.
This year, we'll have only the immediate family - my kids,mom, and brother, no party. I miss gather with friends most of all in this whole pandemic.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Until there's a safe and effective vaccine, widely distributed, everything is going to be screwed up.
Hekate
(90,769 posts)But my husband & I will still be alone, and he doesnt drink. Holidays are kaput.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)So a bonus I guess. Usually work those days so my teammates can have some family time. I don't celebrate the holidays.
elleng
(131,053 posts)I usually down-play them, not much of a party person, and part of the family's not nearby; and I don't feel like driving. Will see what some of the family thinks. (I'm already thinking about Chanukah/Thanksgiving/Christmas gifts, tho.)
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Quixote1818
(28,955 posts)environment. Schools. So I feel like I should quarantine or get tested before I go visit anyone.
peggysue2
(10,836 posts)We normally shoot up to Philly for Thanksgiving. That won't happen this year. Our kids normally visit at Christmas. Again, that won't happen this year.
It will be hubs and me and our dog, Kiera.
Sucks!
misanthrope
(7,421 posts)but it won't be that much of a sacrifice. My sister and mother live in another state. My father lives in another city. It's rare that I see them at the holidays anyway.
I don't mind missing out on getting together with my in-laws. They are socially and politically conservative and sort of overbearing. An afternoon with them wears me out in the best of times.
I am happier being home, alone but rarely lonely.
MissB
(15,811 posts)We wont be doing family dinners with my siblings or extended family/in-laws.
My oldest wont likely fly home for either holiday, unless case counts are down in his state (so far: nope). Youngest will likely drive home for a few weeks. The state he lives in has pretty low case counts.
So we will probably be doing a zoom thanksgiving and Christmas with one son, and dinner for 3 here.
Usually we host dinners, since I have the biggest dining room amongst my siblings.
Dh has a decade birthday in late December. Not sure what we will be doing, maybe a zoom birthday. Certainly not how I planned on doing one, but its a pandemic so everything is just a bit different. Wed planned on a big international trip this year to celebrate our 25th, and our respective decade birthdays. Again, pandemic. Itll all just be delayed until 2022 (vaccine dependent).
Living >> dying.
electric_blue68
(14,923 posts)as it has affected most of year already
My sister and I usually go to one or two sets of each other's cousins houses, (a mom, or her oldest kid - and then her other two kids and their partners join in) usually in which ever house. They took us in as part of their family after our mom died (our dad who later passed was in a nursing home with dementia), since neither of us has kids.
Not like we were estranged or anything before that- lots of love and affection between us.
It actually started when we'd lost our mom in May of 2008 so when our cousin who's mom was then still alive said - you guys might be lonely so come celebrate my mom (your aunt's) birthday. They were 2 sisters (w 3 brothers as well) who loved each other very much.
So we've had a rollicking good time (with bits seriousness in between) since then! My sis and often get together around Thanksgiving. We almost always get together quite soon after New Year's usually within the week.
So now that that's all gone "poof" particularly bc we're in the NY/NJ area - too cold for my sis and I to at least have an outdoor lunch date post New Year's (we finally saw each other for outdoor lunch after 7 mons). And we not going travel to visit our cousins between the travel and get together covid related issues.
Maybe we'll have a Zoom Xmas chat w some of our cousins. Think I'll mention this to my sis.
With more time though - I hope I'm really going to do up my apt for the Holidays! Lots of sparkle, glitter and color! And electric pillar candles!
DFW
(54,428 posts)We usually have about 20 family and friends from Holland, Germany and Austria over for Thanksgiving. We import cranberries and stuffing from the States, and order a huge turkey from a free range farm near here that raises them. Last year, we even had an American, as the daughter of American friends was on the last leg of her trip through Europe, and was looking at spending the night in some lonely hotel room in Spain. We said that was ridiculous, and had her fly up here and stay with us, even though she spoke no German or Dutch. Our friends all know some English, and our family members are fluent.
Christmas is spent only among family, so up to the 25th, that should go normally. However, on December 26th, my wife and I usually take off for Charleston, South Carolina for a very special gathering that happens over ever New Year. It's called Renaissance Weekend, and you either know all about it, or you've never heard of it. We have been going for 20 years. This would have been our 21st year, and the 40th anniversary of the gathering. It started out in 1980 with 30 families, trying to renew ideas in America (hence "renaissance" ) after the depressing news of Reagan's election. We can't imagine New Year's without Renaissance, but this year, we'll have to. It's hard to describe. It's nothing like a TED conference, as everyone attending is expected to participate, and MUST to wear a name tag to put everyone on an equal basis, no matter how well known you are, and I mean EVERYONE:
It will be REALLY weird not being there after 20 years. I don't even know if we'll go to the States at all this year for New Years. If our elder daughter in New York can't make it here for Christmas, we might do a quick swing NYC-Washington-Dallas, but we have no plans yet.
OnDoutside
(19,965 posts)14 people incl ourselves from 3 households. Currently here in Ireland, we are at Level 3, meaning no visitors to the house, but even if they relax that by Christmas, I am not going to be hosting a dinner for 14, so I'm going to propose everyone stays in their own house and we will do Christmas Dinner next year instead. It's not worth it, and I know one of my b-in-law would not feel comfortable coming over in this situation anyway.
BigmanPigman
(51,623 posts)I wish they did that here but everyone would break the rule and do it anyway like all the other rules they broke in the name of "freedumb" and their "rights" or because they are young and likely won't die from it.
OnDoutside
(19,965 posts)Tanuki
(14,920 posts)is originally from Veracruz, Mexico. They were having their daughter's Quinceañera there a couple of days after Christmas so I spent a week at a charming old seaside hotel and enjoyed a festive and colorful round of sightseeing, parties, music, sampling the local cuisine, learning more about their history and culture, and catching up with my old friends and making some new ones. Little did we know that a devastating global pandemic was just around the corner. It is poignant for me to look back on that as something so recent but of an entirely different era, one that was more carefree and in a way more innocent. This year will be so very different. I am observing near lockdown with the exception of work and the most essential shopping so I will not be able to share holiday meals this year. I feel sad about it. I have been thinking about buying a turkey breast and fixings and making myself a Thanksgiving meal (and freezing the leftovers) anyway, and connecting with my loved ones by phone and online. Despite the current grim scenario I still know that I personally have much to be thankful for. I refuse to let the current White House squatter, whom I blame for 90% of this, and his wife Melania "Fuck Christmas" Trump, steal all of my joy. By Thanksgiving, he will be a lame duck, and that will be something for all of us to celebrate!
JesterCS
(1,827 posts)We normally have my dad's entire family over for a party. He has 1 brother and 4 sisters, plus his mother and step father, my brother, his wife, and his 6 kids, my mother, and her sister and husband.
This year, it's just gonna be my brother/brothers wife, his kids, and my mother and father his. Thank God. I'm anti social so the less people the better for me lol.
Still my dad's siblings are all 55+ so we decided it's best that they stay away this year
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)The Republicans in my extended family will surely still do it, acting like everything is normal.
Squinch
(50,989 posts)Thanksgiving and Christmas with the 6 local relatives. One of our number is 88, though, so it needs to be a total isolation before for all of us.
Usually the holidays are twice or three times that number, but I'm just grateful we'll be celebrating.
malaise
(269,144 posts)for Thanksgiving week and I said no
mnhtnbb
(31,399 posts)I haven't seen my oldest--who lives 30 minutes away--since February. He and his partner won't even get together with me outside. My youngest moved back to NC in mid-July. I haven't seen him since the summer of 2019.
I doubt it will be any different for Christmas.
malaise
(269,144 posts)since December 30 last year. We tend to gather in summer or November/December
Maeve
(42,287 posts)And personally---yeah, might not be able to have the family dinner, even tho two of the 4 kids are in Ohio. Brother can't come in from South Dakota until their rate falls....not sure how we'll deal with elderly Mom...oh, what a holiday season this is going to be
BigmanPigman
(51,623 posts)but without people/crowds.
Bettie
(16,118 posts)we will not be traveling this year. First time in 33 years we'll have missed DH's family thanksgiving.
ColoradoBlue
(104 posts)Despite living out of state for 28 years, my husband and I have never missed Christmas with our families in Oklahoma. Looks like that will probably change this year. His siblings and my aunt and uncle are all in the high risk group. And recently, one of our nieces posted some anti-mask stuff on Facebook. So it's not feeling like the responsible thing to travel there this year. It breaks my heart. It didn't have to be this way.
tanyev
(42,594 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)redwitch
(14,946 posts)First Christmas without him being with us. I dont want him traveling here, dont want to risk him getting sick. I can hardly stand to think of Christmas without him. But at least I know he will be safe where he is. Zoom Christmas this year and will mail his presents. Cant imagine what the holidays will be like for those whove lost loved ones.
brooklynite
(94,679 posts)...and I don't know if my brother's family want to have people for dinner (they had us up last month, but it was warm enough to eat outside.)
We may have a Thanksgiving dinner for friends we've safely interacted with during lockdown, but my 82 YO mother says she won't join us for safety reasons.
edhopper
(33,604 posts)Xmas and TG with your immediate family at home, it better affect your plans.
Anybody who celebrates with a large group, family or not, is a fool.
Boogiemack
(1,406 posts)qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)I am the only engineer in my company of one thousand people who knows how to do a specific certification for an on-site job. It's in a hot spot in SC with a positivity rate above 10%. That's the quarantine cut-off for people traveling out of state.
I was going to move on the 14th of November. Now I'll be coming off of quarantine in a hotel, unable to pack. Not sure when we'll be ready to move. The weekend of or the weekend after Thanksgiving. So, either my current home will be filled with boxes, or my new home. Either way, Thanksgiving dinner at my house is shot to hell.