If anyone had any doubts about The Lincoln Project:

[George II]

Will you help Biden win Texas? Trump can’t win without it.

Join our friend @BetoORourke along with @WillieNelson and @Oprah at the Calling Texas Phone Bank.

They’re going to call over 1 million Texas voters right as early voting starts.

Link to tweet

[onecaliberal]

1. I was skeptical about them at the beginning.

But they’re rightly trying to burn down the party. There is no going back for them.

[zipplewrath]

2. Then what?

After they "burn it down", then what? They join the democrats? Or in the very next election cycle they try to get them defeated by "new" republicans? Do they go to some of these democrats that they believe the helped get elected and ask for a "seat at the table"?

[Qutzupalotl]

5. All I know is they want Trump gone

and are very effective at swaying public opinion. After that, we’ll see, but we aren’t there yet. We’re here, now. And they’re helping.

My sense is that they’ll never work for Republicans again. Too many burned bridges.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

6. One theory is they're trying to neutralize the left in our party

That theory comes from the Professional Left podcast. I believe Charles Pierce of Esquire is also not a fan, because they feel we're not going to like what comes next from them.

[Cha]

15. What are they doing to help Biden Win?

[Just_Vote_Dem]

18. You mean Professional Left and Pierce?

I don't follow Pierce that much to be honest, but the Pro Left podcast hammers Trump weekly and they are big Biden supporters.

[Cha]

25. Good to know.. TY!

[Just_Vote_Dem]

26. You're very welcome!

[wnylib]

49. WWII example: It is sometimes necessary

to ally yourself with an enemy in order to defeat an even greater enemy, e.g. the US and USSR against Nazi Germany. Just don't forget how that turned out after the war ended.

[DLCWIdem]

62. Whatever they are

IMO they care about the country. Their motto is country over party. They're sane and we need to broaden our coalition we can't Brie arrogant like 2016 and show all the Trumpsters and the enablers how broad we are.

[GemDigger]

7. I say we give them a shot before we bbq them.

Right now they are spending an enormous amount of $$ and doing a shitton of work to get out the vote for Biden and that says a lot.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

8. Of course!

We just need to be on our guard during Biden's term.

[Indykatie]

17. Why is "Then What" An Issue Now? The LP Has Had a Huge Impact in 2020.

Why whine about what these never Trumpers will do in the next election? They are also advocating against the entire GOP. Besides there aren't enough sane Repubs to start a "new" Republican party.

[warmfeet]

31. Nope.

If they want a seat at the table, they will need to reform into an entirely different party. Extremism loses, always.

“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”

― Mahatma Gandhi

It started here with the repukes:

“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”

― Barry Goldwater

[niyad]

33. Can we get through this incredibly consequential election first, please? We are none of us blind

Or stupid, and the seemingly endless posts on this subject after nearly every TLP ad are a bit tiresome, and insulting.

[onecaliberal]

46. I don't know that they will join us. I Just know that they recognize the gravity of

The situation we’re in and are on the right side of the fight. I respect that. They’re begging other republicans to vote for Biden. I’ve been on some of their zoom meetings, there are a lot of things we can agree on fundamentally. We need all hands on deck.

As far as who will be in the Biden Admin, we have SOOOOO many talented people. We have people that resigned that can come back. I’m sure they’re all advising and helping Biden as we speak. The best and brightest are on our side and Team Biden.

[GB_RN]

51. They Have Already Said

That they will work with Biden going forward, not work against him. They plan to continue going after ALL Republicans.

[Enoki33]

53. Seem to recall a statement by LP that they will never again work

for Republicans. Have no basis on which to not believe that.

[Warpy]

32. They're having so much fun sliming the guys they put into power

that I wonder if they'll ever go back, or even if they'll be allowed back.

[soldierant]

59. Sure, Democrats have confirmation bias like everyone else.

But most of us are smart enough to nw that we have it and watch for it. And just about lall of us are capable of changing our minds when presented with new, factual information.

If we are wholeheartedlybehind what the Lincoln Project is currently doing, and i am, that does not make us cult members. If the Lincoln Project changes course in a negative direction, we'll see it.

[Mersky]

3. I'm in!

12:30 pm with Stacey Abrams! Might have to sign up for the Willie one, tooo.

GO TEXAS! GOTV!

[Statistical]

4. The enemy of my enemy is my temporary ally.

Keyword is temporary. The Lincoln Project is still Republicans. They are still in favor of repealing the ACA, busting unions, scrapping minimum wage laws, privatizing social security, banning abortion, taxcuts for billionaires, etc.

Yes right now in this very moment Trump is such a radical threat to the foundations of democracy that I will take any ally I can get but people thinking they are Democrats are going to be very disappointed next election when Trump is no longer around.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

9. EXACTLY. Thank you!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

11. I have zero expectations that they will EVER be Democrats.

What they're doing now is working to get rid of tRump. They recognize that their previous actions helped create him and they want to atone for those actions.

Next, they will get rid of the republicans who enabled and supported tRump, ALL OF THEM.

Then they want to return to being the loyal opposition. This I have heard them say, and I believe them. They want to be responsible Republicans, like those in the 1950's.

I wish them luck.

[George II]

12. I think it was Steve Schmidt that said yesterday that his days with the republican party are over.

[GulfCoast66]

16. They realize the have crossed the rubicon.

Their only hope of ever being welcomed in the Republican Party is to torch every remnant of Trumpism and rebuild it in a more socially liberal but fiscally Conservative party. Which would actually be good for the country.

We need 2 parties that have different visions of how to improve the country. Hate free. It’s still mind bending to think there was a time the republicans were economic dinosaurs but the party that supported civil rights the most. Nixon combined racism with the economic Luddism removing what redeeming feature the party once had.

[George II]

20. Back when I was in my 20s and 30s I used to say (but this is an obsolete thought these days)....

"Democrats and republicans basically have the same ultimate objectives, they just have different ways of achieving them."

Time was decades ago that both sides got along and essentially worked together on important issues. Those days are gone forever.

[OMGWTF]

28. Dems care about people; Rethugs care about money. Period.

[George II]

35. Now. Not always.

[gab13by13]

37. I am 73 years old

and when I was a little boy my daddy told me that Democrats are for the poor and Republicans are for the rich. How far back are you talking?

I don't get threads like this, the LP is doing an outstanding job. eom.

[GulfCoast66]

43. You must not be southern.

Because about the time I was born white democrats were starting to abandon the party. First for Wallace and then for republicans when Reagan had his symbolic Philadelphia, Mississippi rally where he welcomed racist white democrats into the Republican Party. When I was young almost every southern election was decided in the Democratic primary. Now that is true for republicans.

Until the 60s southern democrats were the largest opponent to Civil Rights. The only thing that has changed I’d their party affiliation.

[Eyeball_Kid]

55. My first impression of the Republican Party came in 1960,

when my dad had a Kennedy-Johnson lawn sign in the front yard. One morning found that, overnight, someone from the Republican Party threw a bottle of acid against the front of the house, spewing acid all over the bricks and bushes. I'll never forget it.

And my dad ALWAYS said that Republicans are anti-union and always represent the rich. Since 1960 and, in fact, decades before, nothing has changed. If you're a working class and/or a union person and you vote Republican, you're hurting yourself. They don't give a rat's ass about you no matter how convincing their lies are.

[Turin_C3PO]

36. In my ideal world,

we’d have a party with centrist beliefs (Biden, etc) and a social Democratic Party that runs far to the left (the Squad, Bernie, etc.). Right wing parties would be a third party that would stay pretty irrelevant.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

47. The two party system is believed, by some, to be the problem.

America Is Now the Divided Republic the Framers Feared.
John Adams worried that “a division of the republic into two great parties … is to be dreaded as the great political evil.” And that’s exactly what has come to pass.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/two-party-system-broke-constitution/604213/

[Gore1FL]

41. My concern is that they will.

The Democratic party may be the conservative party of the future as it absorbs fleeing Republicans. I suspect a new second party is going to arise to the left.

[mucifer]

56. The issue is everyone can't have all of our values. But, we do need SANE people to work with

[CrispyQ]

48. Exactly.

I welcome their help in defeating the Con, but I would never send them money.

[AZ8theist]

57. Trump won't be around, but Moscow Mitch will be..

[onecaliberal]

60. They are most definitely not in favor of repealing the ACA.

They have a multitude of ads defending it and informing people about Mitch and republicans trying to take it away. It’s fine if you don’t trust them but let’s not say they’re for things they clearly are opposed to.

[Lucinda]

10. ❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️

[Trailrider1951]

13. These guys seem to be a throwback to the Republican party of the 50's and 60's

before the times of Raygun and Gingrich. I'm old enough to remember when the Republicans were sane. President Eisenhower was the first president I remember, and I thought he was a good president. Republican congress critters were far more amicable, and were willing to compromise and do some "horse trading" to get the laws they wanted, hence the term "bipartisanship". Today's mainstream Republicans have gone full-out fascist, and I think the Lincoln Project people know this, and want to return to sanity. They will remain the opposition, but hopefully more realistic about the direction in which this country needs to go. Just my $0.02.

[GulfCoast66]

21. And they were crucial to passing the civil rights act. As crazy as that seems today.

They eventually will have to have their own 1968 where the racist split from those that aren’t. Unfortunately, it won’t be the racist that leave the party. They own it lock, stock and barrel.

[George II]

22. Hah! Before I even read this I said similar in post #20. Everything started falling apart....

...under Reagan, got worse when Clinton was elected and the right wing talk shows began to flourish.

I totally agree with everything you said. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to say that in today's political climate Richard Nixon would be slightly left of center.

[MyMission]

52. I agree

I've been watching some of their recaps and shows, and those with the LP seem to have had epiphanies over their behavior and that of the gop. The rise of cult 45 showed them the path they'd been on and the dangerous outcome.

I see it as they are the vestiges of the actual party, the majority having been taken over by cult mentality: fascist, racist, traitorous, unscrupulous, unapologetic, unscientific and unreligious, ignorant, delusional, deplorable folks.

I thought LP might form a new party, call it the Opposition or Real republican party, and recruit from independents, former and current gop, conservative Dems (not so much), and leave the party of tRump. They could do a tremendous ad campaign to recruit folks. And especially after they lose and embarrass themselves with post election behavior, the party will be in shambles. Not sure if the LP folks will be able to reclaim it at that point, or if they'd want to.

Some here mentioned them joining Dems, making us more conservative and forming a third party to the left. Parties have changed like that in the past. We'll see how things evolve over time. I'm more interested in seeing changes to voting, no electoral college, tiered voting, safer and easier methods of voting.

For now, I'm glad the LP is endorsing and advertising for Biden and many Democrats in close races. I believe they are patriots, taking a stand for country over party (which has been infiltrated by cult 45 and their put in friends).

[luvtheGWN]

58. About Eisenhower:

He was apolitical, as was appropriate given his military service and leadership. He was approached by both parties to run for President, hesitated for a long while, and then chose the GOP. I'm guessing it might have been because of the southern racist democrats. He led both whites and blacks in the War.

If we have any Eisenhower scholars here at DU, perhaps you could correct me if my guess is wrong.

[Cha]

14. Rt.. This is grand.. helping Beto in Texas with Willy

Nelson! And Oprah! TY!

[JI7]

19. I think most who don't like them are those who don't want Democrats to win.

Like Glenn Greeenwald .

They don't like them becsuse they are effective. Greenwald wants Trump to win.

[George II]

24. I think you're correct.

[Turin_C3PO]

38. Can you blame them for their caution?

Remember, these guys were ruthless against Obama and liberalism in general. I don’t blame people for being skeptical. But I am grateful for their help in bringing down Trump.

[JI7]

39. Yes, most of those critical of LP regularly attack democrats

so that's why I believe their problem with LP is that they are effective in helping Democrats.

Glenn Greenwald being the biggest one. We know he wants Democrats to lose.

[Gothmog]

23. If we can filp 9 state house seats we can control the Texas House

After teh 2010 election, there were 101 repubicans in the Texas state house compared to 49 Democrats. We have won back seats and now we need 9 seats to take control fo the Texas house.

[kairos12]

27. I think they are on 60 Minutes tomorrow.

[ffr]

29. It feels so good to be on such a winning team!

[martouf]

30. I never had doubts about them in THIS Presidential Election.

They are certainly our allies in the current election. I appreciate their assistance,

Just let us not forget that as soon as they and we accomplish our common goal of ousting Trump, they will all STILL be Republicans who support Republican policies. Like ignoring climate change and systemic racism.

[SledDriver]

40. They have been kind of mum on Amy Coney Barrett

[George II]

42. There's nothing they can do about that. Their objective and priority is beating trump, Graham, and..

...several other republican Senators.

That's not the first time I've seen that criticism - I don't know why people are zeroing in on it.

[GulfCoast66]

44. They don't claim to be democrats. I'm sure most support her.

But they realize the fundamental danger our democracy faces. Stark political difference are expected and actually healthy. Attacking the system at its roots is dangerous for everyone. Not all conservatives want to gain ascendency thru non-Democratic means. But too many are willing to do so.

[Statistical]

50. They are still conservatives. They are happy Barrett will get confirmed. They are happy with a

right leaning court for decades to come.

They are happy with privatizing social security, and killing the ACA.

I am glad they are helping to defeat Trump but nobody should be confused by the fact that they ARE conservatives and would happily defeat any future progressive agenda if they can.

[UCmeNdc]

45. Still go ahead and join the million voter phone bank and help Biden win Texas

Worry about the Lincoln Project after Biden wins!

[czarjak]

54. Cheat this...

C-H-E-A-T-E-R-S

[melman]

61. I don't have any doubts

I know exactly what they are.

[George II]

63. You didn't watch them on 60 Minutes tonight.