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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:32 PM Oct 2020

If Trump Contests Election Results, But Republicans Retain Senate Control...

...do you trust Senate Republicans to respect the vote or go along and support whatever BS argument Trump comes up with for ignoring the election results?

If not, then this underscores why we can't just try to win the Presidency and call it a day. We have to vote in Democrats at all levels.

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If Trump Contests Election Results, But Republicans Retain Senate Control... (Original Post) TomCADem Oct 2020 OP
Of course. jorgevlorgan Oct 2020 #1
"...do you trust Senate Republicans to..." No. eShirl Oct 2020 #2
Atlantic - Republicans Are Suddenly Afraid of Democracy TomCADem Oct 2020 #15
Swearing in MFM008 Oct 2020 #3
If Trump loses he will leave Progressive dog Oct 2020 #4
We must win by a landslide. Remember, the CURRENT Senate stays until Jan. 3, 2021 Catcar Oct 2020 #5
Ben Sasse Calls for Repealing 17th Amendment, Eliminating Popular-Vote Senate Elections TomCADem Oct 2020 #7
What does he propose? Seats go to the highest bidder? C_U_L8R Oct 2020 #12
Jan 3 2021 Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #9
Yes, thank you, good news! Catcar Oct 2020 #16
Agree but kurtcagle Oct 2020 #17
If they do not respect the results of the election, either in the senate or the USSC Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #6
By Electing A Republican Senate, Isn't That The Results of the Election? TomCADem Oct 2020 #8
not if they invalidate the election Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #10
LA Times: Young people turned out to protest. Now, will they vote? TomCADem Oct 2020 #20
You appear to be building your justifications Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #22
VOTE! Voting is not doing nothing. TomCADem Oct 2020 #25
When a state with population 5 million gets the same say as a state with 30 million. onecaliberal Oct 2020 #14
We won't give up the Republic, we'll beat them in any fight Catcar Oct 2020 #21
I don't trust any Republican any further than I can piss. WyattKansas Oct 2020 #11
How many more tricks do the Repugs have up their sleeves! Jeez!! Catcar Oct 2020 #13
Senate has no choice in the matter as there will be an outcome beachbumbob Oct 2020 #18
The senate votes to accept the results. Voltaire2 Oct 2020 #23
NO THEY DO NOT beachbumbob Oct 2020 #24
What does the Senate have to do with it? brooklynite Oct 2020 #19

jorgevlorgan

(8,329 posts)
1. Of course.
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:34 PM
Oct 2020

At this point, however, it is unlikely to win the presidency and not the Senate. We will see what November has in store for us.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
15. Atlantic - Republicans Are Suddenly Afraid of Democracy
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:04 PM
Oct 2020

One of the fundamental reasons why we need to win the Senate is to preserve our Democracy. You see it throug out the country with Republicans taking increasingly outrageous steps to prevent people from voting. In Texas, the Governor is only going to allow one ballot drop location in Harris County, which has a population of 4 million. You have Republican Senators promoting the repeal of the 19th Amendment. You have the RNC featuring speakers who are promoting familial voting where the man of the house votes on behalf of the family.

Heck, you have Mike Lee actively advocating against Democracy. This is why it is not enough to win the Presidency and call it a day.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/republicans-are-suddenly-afraid-democracy/616685/

“We’re not a democracy,” Republican Senator Mike Lee tweeted in the middle of Wednesday night’s vice-presidential debate. He was reacting to something he’d heard onstage there, in his home state of Utah. Another tweet: “The word ‘democracy’ appears nowhere in the Constitution, perhaps because our form of government is not a democracy. It’s a constitutional republic. To me it matters. It should matter to anyone who worries about the excessive accumulation of power in the hands of the few.” Hours after the debate Lee was still worrying the thought: “Democracy isn’t the objective; liberty, peace, and prospefity [sic] are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.”

Why did Lee choose this moment—less than four weeks before an election in which his party seems likely to suffer defeat—to make the familiar, even pedantic, point that we live in a republic rather than a pure democracy? Why did he insist on the point so vehemently that he neglected to mention that power in the American system ultimately lies with the people, which means that our system could also be called a representative democracy? Did he mean rank as in “foul,” “rancid,” or “outright”? If the last, does that mean the tyranny of the majority leading to perverse rule by “the few”? What did this short, misleading course in Civics 101 have to do with anything?

My guess is that Lee wasn’t just being pedantic. Worried about an election in which the people can express their will, Lee was laying the groundwork to contest the results or block an elected majority from governing.

The Trump administration is using the last weeks of the campaign to soften up the country for a repudiation of democracy itself. This project will take some doing. Getting rid of checks on presidential power in the form of inspectors general, congressional committees, special counsels, and nonpartisan judges might drive pundits and experts crazy, but such moves don’t hit home for many citizens. The post-Watergate norms established to preserve the Justice Department’s integrity are not widely understood. But voting is something else. Your vote is your most tangible connection to the idea of democratic government. It’s the only form of political power most Americans possess. It’s proof that government of, by, and for the people hasn’t yet perished from the Earth. Your vote is personal. For a president to throw it out would be an audacious undertaking.

Progressive dog

(6,918 posts)
4. If Trump loses he will leave
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:42 PM
Oct 2020

The psychopath threatened to kill any additional stimulus if he lost, now he wants a big stimulus.
He wants chaos and he won't get help from me. Vote.

Catcar

(1,356 posts)
5. We must win by a landslide. Remember, the CURRENT Senate stays until Jan. 3, 2021
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:43 PM
Oct 2020

Last edited Sun Oct 11, 2020, 07:28 PM - Edit history (1)

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
7. Ben Sasse Calls for Repealing 17th Amendment, Eliminating Popular-Vote Senate Elections
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:47 PM
Oct 2020

Unlike the House, which is affected by partisan gerrymandering, and the Presidency, which is actually elected through electors, the Senate is elected by the popular vote of each State. Of course, this does not sit well with democracy hating Republicans, which is why there is movement on the Republican side to repeal the 17th Amendment.

https://news.yahoo.com/ben-sasse-calls-repealing-17th-130008693.html

Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) called to repeal the 17th Amendment on Tuesday, which would eliminate the requirement that U.S. senators be elected by popular votes.

In a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled “Make the Senate Great Again,” Sasse called for an end to the amendment, among other changes to the Senate “aimed at promoting debate, not ending it.”

He also recommended abolishing standing committees, requiring senators to show up for debates, implementing 12-year term limits, and requiring senators to live together in dorms when in Washington.

“What would the Founding Fathers think of America if they came back to life?” Sasse wrote. “Their eyes would surely bug out first at our technology and wealth. But I suspect they’d also be stunned by the deformed structure of our government. The Congress they envisioned is all but dead. The Senate in particular is supposed to be the place where Americans hammer out our biggest challenges with debate. That hasn’t happened for decades—and the rot is bipartisan.”

C_U_L8R

(45,020 posts)
12. What does he propose? Seats go to the highest bidder?
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:54 PM
Oct 2020

Interesting how he also sneaks that Dormitory request in there. Saucy Sasse. No wonder you don't want cameras around.

Voltaire2

(13,153 posts)
6. If they do not respect the results of the election, either in the senate or the USSC
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:47 PM
Oct 2020

we either give up on the republic or we take to the streets.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
8. By Electing A Republican Senate, Isn't That The Results of the Election?
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:50 PM
Oct 2020

After all, if American selects a Republican Senate, don't we have to respect the results of the election?

Voltaire2

(13,153 posts)
10. not if they invalidate the election
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:53 PM
Oct 2020

that is game over in my opinion, but hey if you are fine with it, stay home.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
20. LA Times: Young people turned out to protest. Now, will they vote?
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:25 PM
Oct 2020

I wonder what percent of protesters actually vote. This is the odd thing. If Trump refuses to leave office, I am sure many people will protest. However, I wonder what percentage of protesters actually vote?

It really does not make sense for someone to be wishy washy about voting, but when Republicans refuse to acknowledge the outcome of a close race, then some people are all ready to get up and arms.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-11/young-people-joined-george-floyd-protests-but-will-they-vote

CHICAGO — Young adults have filled streets across the country on a scale not seen since the 1960s to protest for racial justice after the death of George Floyd. But whether that energy translates to increased turnout in November is another question.

They could make a difference in the presidential race — polls show President Trump is deeply unpopular with young voters — with control of the Senate and hundreds of local races also at stake. But some activists are concerned that their focus will be on specific causes instead of voting.

“In a normal election year, turning out the youth vote is challenging,” said Carolyn DeWitt, president and executive director of Rock the Vote, which works to build political power among young people. “That’s even more true now. People’s minds are not on it.”

Voters under 30 have historically turned out to vote at much lower rates than older voters, though the 2018 midterm election saw the highest turnout in a quarter-century among voters ages 18-29 — a spike attributed in part to youth-led movements such as March for Our Lives against gun violence.

TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
25. VOTE! Voting is not doing nothing.
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 02:18 PM
Oct 2020

The idea that voting is doing nothing is a right wing talking point. It makes no sense whatsoever for folks not to vote, then rush out and protest because they do not like the results of an election, which is the whole point of the article.

I cannot disagree more strongly with the idea that voting is the same as doing nothing. Likewise, as I have stated in this thread, we have to not just win the Presidency, but races up and down the ballot. Once again, you cannot just try to win the Presidency, then call it a day. That is not doing nothing. Doing nothing is not voting.

Voltaire2 wrote:
You appear to be building your justifications for doing nothing.

onecaliberal

(32,892 posts)
14. When a state with population 5 million gets the same say as a state with 30 million.
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 05:00 PM
Oct 2020

Fuck no that is not equality.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
11. I don't trust any Republican any further than I can piss.
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 04:54 PM
Oct 2020

They are all selfish pricks that have no problem stabbing anyone in the back.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
24. NO THEY DO NOT
Mon Oct 12, 2020, 08:32 AM
Oct 2020


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