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...do you trust Senate Republicans to respect the vote or go along and support whatever BS argument Trump comes up with for ignoring the election results?
If not, then this underscores why we can't just try to win the Presidency and call it a day. We have to vote in Democrats at all levels.
jorgevlorgan
(8,329 posts)At this point, however, it is unlikely to win the presidency and not the Senate. We will see what November has in store for us.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)There's nothing there left to trust.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)One of the fundamental reasons why we need to win the Senate is to preserve our Democracy. You see it throug out the country with Republicans taking increasingly outrageous steps to prevent people from voting. In Texas, the Governor is only going to allow one ballot drop location in Harris County, which has a population of 4 million. You have Republican Senators promoting the repeal of the 19th Amendment. You have the RNC featuring speakers who are promoting familial voting where the man of the house votes on behalf of the family.
Heck, you have Mike Lee actively advocating against Democracy. This is why it is not enough to win the Presidency and call it a day.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/republicans-are-suddenly-afraid-democracy/616685/
Why did Lee choose this momentless than four weeks before an election in which his party seems likely to suffer defeatto make the familiar, even pedantic, point that we live in a republic rather than a pure democracy? Why did he insist on the point so vehemently that he neglected to mention that power in the American system ultimately lies with the people, which means that our system could also be called a representative democracy? Did he mean rank as in foul, rancid, or outright? If the last, does that mean the tyranny of the majority leading to perverse rule by the few? What did this short, misleading course in Civics 101 have to do with anything?
My guess is that Lee wasnt just being pedantic. Worried about an election in which the people can express their will, Lee was laying the groundwork to contest the results or block an elected majority from governing.
The Trump administration is using the last weeks of the campaign to soften up the country for a repudiation of democracy itself. This project will take some doing. Getting rid of checks on presidential power in the form of inspectors general, congressional committees, special counsels, and nonpartisan judges might drive pundits and experts crazy, but such moves dont hit home for many citizens. The post-Watergate norms established to preserve the Justice Departments integrity are not widely understood. But voting is something else. Your vote is your most tangible connection to the idea of democratic government. Its the only form of political power most Americans possess. Its proof that government of, by, and for the people hasnt yet perished from the Earth. Your vote is personal. For a president to throw it out would be an audacious undertaking.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)John Kelly early will help.
Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)The psychopath threatened to kill any additional stimulus if he lost, now he wants a big stimulus.
He wants chaos and he won't get help from me. Vote.
Catcar
(1,356 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 11, 2020, 07:28 PM - Edit history (1)
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)Unlike the House, which is affected by partisan gerrymandering, and the Presidency, which is actually elected through electors, the Senate is elected by the popular vote of each State. Of course, this does not sit well with democracy hating Republicans, which is why there is movement on the Republican side to repeal the 17th Amendment.
https://news.yahoo.com/ben-sasse-calls-repealing-17th-130008693.html
In a Wall Street Journal op-ed titled Make the Senate Great Again, Sasse called for an end to the amendment, among other changes to the Senate aimed at promoting debate, not ending it.
He also recommended abolishing standing committees, requiring senators to show up for debates, implementing 12-year term limits, and requiring senators to live together in dorms when in Washington.
What would the Founding Fathers think of America if they came back to life? Sasse wrote. Their eyes would surely bug out first at our technology and wealth. But I suspect theyd also be stunned by the deformed structure of our government. The Congress they envisioned is all but dead. The Senate in particular is supposed to be the place where Americans hammer out our biggest challenges with debate. That hasnt happened for decadesand the rot is bipartisan.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)Interesting how he also sneaks that Dormitory request in there. Saucy Sasse. No wonder you don't want cameras around.
Voltaire2
(13,153 posts)The 117th runs January 3, 2021 January 3, 2023.
Catcar
(1,356 posts)kurtcagle
(1,604 posts)Jan 3, 2021 not Jan 20.
Voltaire2
(13,153 posts)we either give up on the republic or we take to the streets.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)After all, if American selects a Republican Senate, don't we have to respect the results of the election?
Voltaire2
(13,153 posts)that is game over in my opinion, but hey if you are fine with it, stay home.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)I wonder what percent of protesters actually vote. This is the odd thing. If Trump refuses to leave office, I am sure many people will protest. However, I wonder what percentage of protesters actually vote?
It really does not make sense for someone to be wishy washy about voting, but when Republicans refuse to acknowledge the outcome of a close race, then some people are all ready to get up and arms.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-06-11/young-people-joined-george-floyd-protests-but-will-they-vote
They could make a difference in the presidential race polls show President Trump is deeply unpopular with young voters with control of the Senate and hundreds of local races also at stake. But some activists are concerned that their focus will be on specific causes instead of voting.
In a normal election year, turning out the youth vote is challenging, said Carolyn DeWitt, president and executive director of Rock the Vote, which works to build political power among young people. Thats even more true now. Peoples minds are not on it.
Voters under 30 have historically turned out to vote at much lower rates than older voters, though the 2018 midterm election saw the highest turnout in a quarter-century among voters ages 18-29 a spike attributed in part to youth-led movements such as March for Our Lives against gun violence.
Voltaire2
(13,153 posts)for doing nothing.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)The idea that voting is doing nothing is a right wing talking point. It makes no sense whatsoever for folks not to vote, then rush out and protest because they do not like the results of an election, which is the whole point of the article.
I cannot disagree more strongly with the idea that voting is the same as doing nothing. Likewise, as I have stated in this thread, we have to not just win the Presidency, but races up and down the ballot. Once again, you cannot just try to win the Presidency, then call it a day. That is not doing nothing. Doing nothing is not voting.
Voltaire2 wrote:
You appear to be building your justifications for doing nothing.
onecaliberal
(32,892 posts)Fuck no that is not equality.
Catcar
(1,356 posts)WyattKansas
(1,648 posts)They are all selfish pricks that have no problem stabbing anyone in the back.
Catcar
(1,356 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Voltaire2
(13,153 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)If a presidential or vice presidential candidate does not receive a majority of the electoral votes, the House selects the next president and the Senate selects the next vice president. In the modern era, the states have used public elections to pick the winners of electoral votes in presidential elections