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brooklynite

(94,725 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:01 PM Oct 2020

Ross Douthat: There will be no Trump Coup

New York Times

Three weeks from now, we will reach an end to speculation about what Donald Trump will do if he faces political defeat, whether he will leave power like a normal president or attempt some wild resistance. Reality will intrude, substantially if not definitively, into the argument over whether the president is a corrupt incompetent who postures as a strongman on Twitter or a threat to the Republic to whom words like “authoritarian” and even “autocrat” can be reasonably applied.

I’ve been on the first side of that argument since early in his presidency, and since we’re nearing either an ending or some poll-defying reset, let me make the case just one more time.

Across the last four years, the Trump administration has indeed displayed hallmarks of authoritarianism. It features egregious internal sycophancy and hacks in high positions, abusive presidential rhetoric and mendacity on an unusual scale. The president’s attempts to delegitimize the 2020 vote aren’t novel; they’re an extension of the way he’s talked since his birther days, paranoid and demagogic.

These are all very bad things, and good reasons to favor his defeat. But it’s also important to recognize all the elements of authoritarianism he lacks. He lacks popularity and political skill, unlike most of the global strongmen who are supposed to be his peers. He lacks power over the media: Outside of Fox’s prime time, he faces an unremittingly hostile press whose major outlets have thrived throughout his presidency. He is plainly despised by his own military leadership, and notwithstanding his courtship of Mark Zuckerberg, Silicon Valley is more likely to censor him than to support him in a constitutional crisis.

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PTWB

(4,131 posts)
1. I agree in part.
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:08 PM
Oct 2020

I think the chance of a successful Trump coup is very low. But the chance of Trump calling for violence on his behalf to contest the election - even if using veiled language to reduce the chance of criminal penalties - is very high.

Trump’s most diehard, fanatical supporters - even if just 1% of his total base - are already primed to do violence on his behalf.

A Tweet from Trump on November 4th claiming “DEEP STATE RIGGED ELECTION. BIDEN COUP. RESIST.” would strike a match and there absolutely would be extremists committing violence across the country.

The problem is that I think such an inflammatory Tweet is far more likely than one saying, “Congratulations to Joe. You won fair and square.”

Wednesdays

(17,408 posts)
4. The tweet would need to be up only 30 seconds in order to succeed
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:23 PM
Oct 2020

Word would spread like wildfire via all other channels, and the deplorables would say that Twitter was part of the Deep State conspiracy with its "censorship."

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
5. Do you think censoring the tweet some hours after it is sent would stop it from circulating?
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:23 PM
Oct 2020

Every one of those supporters would know about it in minutes.

The simple fact is that if Trump chooses to strike that match we won’t be able to stop him from doing so. We will have to deal with the fallout.

The scale and scope of that fallout are up for debate but whether .1%, 1% or 5% of his supporters are willing to do violence on his behalf, we must acknowledge and prepare for that possibility.

kimbutgar

(21,187 posts)
3. But don't forget Dorsey was threatened with a hostile takeover of Twitter by Paul Singer the
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:21 PM
Oct 2020

vulture venture capitalist who is a mar a lago member and buds with the orange menace. Jack Dorsey was forced to back off banning the orange Mussolini. At least Zuckerberg is banning political ads The week before the election and shut down Qanon on Facebook.Silicon Valley knows that MF45’s trade war and the handling of the pandemic has hurt them. So he’s not going to get away with his fantasy coup.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
6. Douthat has always painted the Republican side of every argument in rosy terms
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:34 PM
Oct 2020

For Douthat, every whack job move made by Republicans, no matter how extreme, can somehow be painted as "reasonable."

He wrote how fair and normal it was to nominate a woman for the Supreme Court who seems like she would be more at home as a member of the Spanish Inquisition.

This column again seems like a "remain calm, so it won't hurt quite as badly when we shove that red hot poker up your asses--again."

No thanks. I will not remain calm. I will not relax my guard. I will not believe that Trump will go quietly until he is really gone, and has done so quietly. He and his henchmen know what awaits them if we get a halfway competent Attorney General after the inauguration. Even if Trump isn't concerned now, they are. He can't very well load them all into Air Force One after the inauguration and file a new flight plan for Sheremetyevo.

genxlib

(5,534 posts)
9. So, our saving grace
Sun Oct 11, 2020, 06:45 PM
Oct 2020

Is supposed to be that he is bad at being an authoritarian. I am not comforted because there are smarter people taking notes.

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