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TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:19 PM Oct 2020

Internet recoils in horror: Amy Coney Barrett ruling says n-word does not make workplace 'hostile.'

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A ruling by Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett that whitewashed racism in the workplace shocked the Internet this week.

In a recent report on Barrett’s notable opinions, the Associated Press highlighted a 2019 workplace discrimination ruling that Barrett wrote for a unanimous three-judge panel.

According to the the report, Barrett said that there was no evidence that use of the n-word “created a hostile or abusive working environment.”

The AP reported:

“The n-word is an egregious racial epithet,” Barrett wrote in Smith v. Illinois Department of Transportation. “That said, Smith can’t win simply by proving that the word was uttered. He must also demonstrate that Colbert’s use of this word altered the conditions of his employment and created a hostile or abusive working environment.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/internet-recoils-in-horror-over-amy-coney-barrett-ruling-that-says-n-word-does-not-make-workplace-hostile/



I wonder if there are school records where she addresses this issue with her adopted child and classmates.

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Internet recoils in horror: Amy Coney Barrett ruling says n-word does not make workplace 'hostile.' (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 OP
Kick dalton99a Oct 2020 #1
Roll back to 6... Trump train off court JCMach1 Oct 2020 #2
K&R for exposure Blue Owl Oct 2020 #3
All of this was avoidable, just had to support Hillary Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #4
She would have made a great President davekriss Oct 2020 #37
And still no apology Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #38
It makes me ill pandr32 Oct 2020 #43
I want a fucking apology Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #50
100% gospel motherfucking truth. Codeine Oct 2020 #52
Just like I dont hate traitor the same way I hate MM (Moscow Mitch), for example. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2020 #55
+1 treestar Oct 2020 #56
Send this to one of the remaining Democrat Senators so they can ask her about it. panader0 Oct 2020 #5
Democratic Senators phylny Oct 2020 #11
Thank you! aggiesal Oct 2020 #24
I wonder what is her opinion on sexual harassment. Sometimes it's just words but it's very hostile Walleye Oct 2020 #6
"Clearly it's just a little attention!" durablend Oct 2020 #27
Maybe she's never experienced it. Because of all the work the women that came before her did Walleye Oct 2020 #36
Boys will be boys! Whites will be whites! scipan Oct 2020 #53
A perfect vision of trump still_one Oct 2020 #7
What are we gonna call them now Varaddem Oct 2020 #8
Doesn't she have two adopted black children? sheshe2 Oct 2020 #9
Maybe she calls them that since she doesn't see anything wrong with it. StarryNite Oct 2020 #12
Perhaps she does. sheshe2 Oct 2020 #17
Yes BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #18
I can see her doing just that. sheshe2 Oct 2020 #20
Yes VivaResitance Oct 2020 #28
Another "Mommie Dearest". smirkymonkey Oct 2020 #49
She has a "collection" of children for optics Politicub Oct 2020 #22
And it is sickening. They are being brainwashed. 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #29
Yes, Just like she was ok bringing them to a crowded event with a Pandemic JI7 Oct 2020 #44
well then, that means vlyons Oct 2020 #10
Are you kidding me?!?! Zing Zing Zingbah Oct 2020 #13
Want evidence? Go into an actual work place where there are black employees and toss that word Autumn Oct 2020 #14
somebodys gonna get a gay texan Oct 2020 #23
Heh. electric_blue68 Oct 2020 #62
Has anyone asked her about this case? Anon-C Oct 2020 #15
So Justice Roberts could call her a nasty b-word and that's ok? berni_mccoy Oct 2020 #16
Bluto Kavanaugh is more likely. CaptYossarian Oct 2020 #26
I think I just heard the sound of Tim Scott gagging, and Washington is 4000 miles from here DFW Oct 2020 #19
Ouch! That's about as tone-deaf as it gets. bucolic_frolic Oct 2020 #21
This is big. lpbk2713 Oct 2020 #25
Please! VivaResitance Oct 2020 #30
What fascists do -- smile like overseers. Smile as they curse or knee or shoot or lynch you. ancianita Oct 2020 #31
👆 this BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2020 #34
What The Fuck??? BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2020 #32
This should immediately disqualify her ... aggiesal Oct 2020 #33
Wow. Unanimous ruling. 3 sick fucks all thinking alike. 58Sunliner Oct 2020 #35
Indeed. calimary Oct 2020 #39
Send her home! Hugin Oct 2020 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Pepsidog Oct 2020 #41
How is it NOT a hostile and abusive environment in such a case? calimary Oct 2020 #42
If The Person Who Used The Epithet... ProfessorGAC Oct 2020 #47
+1, management condoning the action through silence would further establish hostile uponit7771 Oct 2020 #64
So... skypilot Oct 2020 #45
I know I'll get enormous kick back, but.... LAS14 Oct 2020 #46
Here's a bit more treestar Oct 2020 #54
#2 is not true practically or establish law. Being called the N-word daily by racist assholes is uponit7771 Oct 2020 #65
Apparently he was called that after dismissal procedures had begun. As I read it.. LAS14 Oct 2020 #67
The number of times isn't relevant the indicator of animus is. She basically said the N-Word isn't.. uponit7771 Oct 2020 #68
Wow. cwydro Oct 2020 #48
Depends on context I assume? JohnnyRingo Oct 2020 #51
" created* a hostile or abusive working environment"? scipan Oct 2020 #57
+1, or exist afterwards unless management steps in after finding out uponit7771 Oct 2020 #66
So, I guess using the C-word with respect to her will be just fine. martouf Oct 2020 #58
How can Tim Scott Live with him Self? tinymontgomery Oct 2020 #59
You're welcome to try it, Amy. Initech Oct 2020 #60
Ggrrrrrrrrrrrr... electric_blue68 Oct 2020 #61
Yep, racist asshole ... Figured after couldn't say there was systemic racism in policing uponit7771 Oct 2020 #63

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)
4. All of this was avoidable, just had to support Hillary
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:23 PM
Oct 2020

That’s all people had to do and this was all avoidable

davekriss

(4,626 posts)
37. She would have made a great President
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 02:30 PM
Oct 2020

Instead, we get this. All of it. 3 SCOTUS seats lost. Innumerable sears lost on appellate courts. 215,000 dead. And so much more.

pandr32

(11,605 posts)
43. It makes me ill
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 02:53 PM
Oct 2020

I know people that voted 3rd party 2016 and are now saying they have no tolerance for Trump supporters. I don't know how they can miss their own hypocrisy.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
52. 100% gospel motherfucking truth.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:30 PM
Oct 2020

I don’t begrudge Republicans for doing what they do anymore than I begrudge a dog for barking. I do, however, demand better from those nominally on our side.

They need to realize and own up to their folly, and accept their responsibility for what has happened. It lies upon their shoulders, and forever shall.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)
55. Just like I dont hate traitor the same way I hate MM (Moscow Mitch), for example.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:45 PM
Oct 2020

Traitor does not possess the capability of caring about human life other than his own, for real, he does not and I dont say that as an insult, it is a psychiatric and physiologic fact.

MM and Pence and others, that I know of, do NOT have this same affliction. THEREFORE they DESERVE to be HATED...

For a long time I said I wouldnt blame trump the same way I wouldnt blame a rabid dog for biting me, but the others have no excuse.

But more to YOUR point, ANYONE who claims to be anti GOP (which you have to be to be a decent human being) who then does not vote for the ONLY OTHER PARTY IN EXISTENCE capable of opposing said GOP, is an ENEMY OF THE HUMAN RACE also...

If they would apologize, maybe, just maybe...sigh

panader0

(25,816 posts)
5. Send this to one of the remaining Democrat Senators so they can ask her about it.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:23 PM
Oct 2020

There's still seven hours of questioning.

sheshe2

(83,855 posts)
9. Doesn't she have two adopted black children?
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:30 PM
Oct 2020

So… She would be OK if someone called her children the N-word perhaps in school? That wouldn’t be a hostile environment? Unbelievable!

StarryNite

(9,459 posts)
12. Maybe she calls them that since she doesn't see anything wrong with it.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:35 PM
Oct 2020

I feel sorry for all of her kids.

BannonsLiver

(16,439 posts)
18. Yes
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 01:35 PM
Oct 2020

White (and often racist) religious fanatics often adopt minority children for image purposes.

“I can’t be a racist, I have black children.” Etc

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
22. She has a "collection" of children for optics
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 01:58 PM
Oct 2020

There’s a reason why she trots them out at every opportunity. I can’t imagine how horrid she would be as a mother. The kids rarely look happy.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
10. well then, that means
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:31 PM
Oct 2020

kike, chink, spick, greaser, towel-head, cunt, and prick and many many more are OK too. *snark*

But is Fascist still OK?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
14. Want evidence? Go into an actual work place where there are black employees and toss that word
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 12:37 PM
Oct 2020

around. Lets see how fucking hostile it gets in there.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
26. Bluto Kavanaugh is more likely.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 02:17 PM
Oct 2020

We'll be hearing from Clarence Thomas just as soon as Alito gets his hand up Clarence's ass.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
19. I think I just heard the sound of Tim Scott gagging, and Washington is 4000 miles from here
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 01:38 PM
Oct 2020

It MAY have been something else, but I'm pretty sure that was what it was. And Scott will vote for Phony Carrot anyway, because, well IOKIYAR.

Well, and the fact that to a black Republican Senator, there is only thing worse than a racist, and that is a liberal.

bucolic_frolic

(43,257 posts)
21. Ouch! That's about as tone-deaf as it gets.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 01:57 PM
Oct 2020

Soon we'll all be just a collection of derisive labels. Take yours with a smile!

ancianita

(36,130 posts)
31. What fascists do -- smile like overseers. Smile as they curse or knee or shoot or lynch you.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 02:24 PM
Oct 2020

The original protection racket killed wills and minds of women, and in return they got to live and keep their children. With each generation of girls, the adaptation became ingrained.

Living with stockholm syndrome, only women like Barrett wouldn't know what a hostile environment is.

aggiesal

(8,922 posts)
33. This should immediately disqualify her ...
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 02:25 PM
Oct 2020

but the (R) Senators will not give 2 f&%ks and vote her in anyway.

Hugin

(33,189 posts)
40. Send her home!
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 02:35 PM
Oct 2020

We don't need a Joy Turner on the USSC.

But, Moscow Mitch isn't listening.

Collins is concerned.

People are losing their houses and lives to COVID.

SNAFU.

Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

calimary

(81,437 posts)
42. How is it NOT a hostile and abusive environment in such a case?
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 02:49 PM
Oct 2020

I don’t get it. How on earth is it NOT materially relevant to promoting that kind of environment???

If I were African American, that would shake me up, badly. And I don’t think I’d feel welcome there.

As a white woman I would be uncomfortable working in an environment where that kind of language was used and excused or accepted. I wouldn’t want to work in that environment either.

ProfessorGAC

(65,142 posts)
47. If The Person Who Used The Epithet...
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:10 PM
Oct 2020

...was not summarily dismissed, it's a hostile environment!
The inaction would be a sanctioning of the use of the term.
I was in management, and our yearly legal responsibility review made it clear that doing nothing is the same as condoning it.
I never heard a corporate lawyer say otherwise.
And, this dimwit is nominated to scotus!

skypilot

(8,854 posts)
45. So...
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:01 PM
Oct 2020

...I guess you'd have to be beating a black person while uttering the word for the workplace to be considered hostile.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
46. I know I'll get enormous kick back, but....
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:05 PM
Oct 2020

1 - She doesn't think it's "ok." She thinks it's "an egregious racial epithet."

2 - She makes a valid point. If you're going to bring a suit, you really do have to demonstrate that more happened than a person uttering the word.

3 - She was writing for a 3 panel unanimous opinion.

I sure don't want her on the SC, but this kind of ranting doesn't help our case.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
54. Here's a bit more
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:45 PM
Oct 2020
Barrett went on to say that Smith “introduced no evidence that Colbert’s use of the n-word changed his subjective experience of the workplace. To be sure, Smith testified that his time at the Department caused him psychological distress. But that was for reasons that predated his run-in with Colbert and had nothing to do with his race. His tenure at the Department was rocky from the outset because of his poor track record.”

A possible colleague of Barrett’s took a different view on racial slurs in 2013. Justice Brett Kavanaugh, then serving as a federal appeals court judge in Washington, D.C, said one utterance was enough. “But, in my view, being called the n-word by a supervisor ... suffices by itself to establish a racially hostile work environment. That epithet has been labeled, variously, a term that ‘sums up . . . all the bitter years of insult and struggle in America,’ ‘pure anathema to African-Americans,’ and ’probably the most offensive word in English,” Kavanaugh wrote. “No other word in the English language so powerfully or instantly calls to mind our country’s long and brutal struggle to overcome racism and discrimination against African-Americans. In short, the case law demonstrates that a single, sufficiently severe incident may create a hostile work environment actionable” under federal anti-discrimination laws.


[link:https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-donald-trump-confirmation-hearings-discrimination-amy-coney-barrett-4380ef16b3da79836151bcaaa7eda224|

The Kavanaugh part is a surprise.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
65. #2 is not true practically or establish law. Being called the N-word daily by racist assholes is
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 11:25 PM
Oct 2020

... establishes animus.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
67. Apparently he was called that after dismissal procedures had begun. As I read it..
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 10:25 AM
Oct 2020

... he didn't make the case that he was called this "daily."

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
68. The number of times isn't relevant the indicator of animus is. She basically said the N-Word isn't..
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 10:31 AM
Oct 2020

... an indicator of animus by saying there's no negative employment action related to it since the person was already fired.

The N-Word itself is an indicator of animus when said by an employer at anytime and it would be up to a jury to decided whether or not the word was related to the post negative employment action.

Lilly Ledbetter act is a law that says that a person can sue .. AFTER .. they found an indicator of animus in employment situations.

Her ruling doesn't even sound informed on the basics of employment discrimination law.

JohnnyRingo

(18,640 posts)
51. Depends on context I assume?
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:21 PM
Oct 2020

"You n***ers get back to work" = hostile work environment.
"You n***ers are some of the good ones" = A complement from a compassionate employer.

hahaha No, there's no contextual way to use that word without utter contempt.
I wonder how the judge would feel about the other 8 justices referring to her to as the c*nt.

scipan

(2,353 posts)
57. " created* a hostile or abusive working environment"?
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 03:48 PM
Oct 2020

That word is evidence that a hostile, abusive working environment already existed.

How would she feel if someone called her a religious nutcase?

 

martouf

(32 posts)
58. So, I guess using the C-word with respect to her will be just fine.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 08:42 PM
Oct 2020

I really try hard not to use the word "bitch" anymore. I recognize it is an affront to women. Using the c-word is far worse, in my opinion.

When she dances around if using the n-word is hostile, I just have to let down the barriers though.

tinymontgomery

(2,584 posts)
59. How can Tim Scott Live with him Self?
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 09:01 PM
Oct 2020

How can Tim Scott Live with him Self after watching what the
republican party has become and then support Barrett after
some of her decisions while on the court.

Initech

(100,099 posts)
60. You're welcome to try it, Amy.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 09:06 PM
Oct 2020

Just go into a Wal-Mart in Compton and say it, and see if you make it out of there with your clothing and face intact.

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