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Celerity

(43,408 posts)
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 09:46 PM Oct 2020

Trump's Plot To Steal The Election (a detailed list of what he will try to do)

https://theappeal.org/the-count-trumps-plot-to-steal-the-election/

TRUMP’S PLAN TO STEAL THE ELECTION HAS THREE PARTS.

Earlier this year, President Trump said the quiet part out loud, admitting that reforms designed to spur more people to vote, including increased early voting and mail-in voting, would harm him and the GOP: “you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.” That’s why longstanding GOP voter suppression tactics such as closing polling locations, voter roll purges, and overly-restrictive voter ID laws aimed at restricting access to the ballot have only intensified this election cycle. But there are three unique strategies that Trump plans to use to try to steal the election after votes have been cast. Those are the strategies that we are focused on today.


STEP 1: FALSELY CLAIM THAT THE “BLUE SHIFT” IS FRAUDULENT.

STEP 2: STOP COUNTING VOTES AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.

STEP 3: BYPASS THE WILL OF VOTERS BY SENDING FRAUDULENT SLATES OF TRUMP ELECTORS TO CONGRESS.


WHAT IS THE “BLUE SHIFT”? — Over the last two decades, votes counted after election night tend to be from Democratic voters, meaning that the election day count understates the actual percentage of votes that the Democrat candidate received in the election. Academics have dubbed this phenomenon the “blue shift,” and it is thought to be driven by the fact that Democratic voters are more likely to cast both provisional and mail-in ballots, which often take longer to process and count.


TRUMP WILL USE THE “RED MIRAGE” — If Trump and the GOP are leading in key swing states on election night, because the disproportionately Democratic mail-in votes are counted after Election Day, then Trump will use this “red mirage” to declare victory early and call for the ballot count to be halted, under the guise of preventing fraud.


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so, so much more at the top link
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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
3. Full Roy Cohn
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 09:53 PM
Oct 2020

November 3 is hardly the finish line. I don't think Carville and others grasp how far Trump and Barr are going to take this

Thekaspervote

(32,774 posts)
5. These topics have been beaten to death here, he may try, none will work.
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 09:58 PM
Oct 2020

FBI issues PSA contradicting trump that the winner must be declared on election night.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation issued a public service announcement (PSA) saying that nefarious actors will try inject disinformation into the US election landscape by claiming that states must declare a victory on election night. States have laws, procedures and protocols in place that provide that they can take days or even weeks after the election to make sure every vote is accurately counted.

Donald Trump is already saying that he wants federal judges to declare him the winner on the evening of November 3rd. In substance, he is urging the federal courts to violate state elections laws and corruptly declare him the winner on election night. Remarkably, the FBI PSA squarely contradicts Trump's claims. In substance, the FBI is telling the American people not to listen to Trump's nonsensical claims.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214125912

As for the states with red legislators by passing the will of the voters and putting in place their on electors...that isn’t going to happen either. Here’s what Laurence Tribe and other constitutional lawyers had to say

https://verdict.justia.com/2020/09/30/no-republicans-cannot-throw-the-presidential-election-into-the-house-so-that-trump-wins

And as for a red mirage most votes in swing states will be counted the night of


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Please..can we now stop posting this? Please

Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #13)

Celerity

(43,408 posts)
17. it's a bad look, and it was not just 'pearly clutching' as 'hysterical' was used too
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 02:48 AM
Oct 2020

I cannot believe I have to punch back against this dross here, as shit like this is usually the territory of MAGAts. I do not know either you or the other poster's gender, but I sure feel 'mansplained to' atm.


https://www.tedxvienna.at/blog/yes-this-is-a-sexist-term-and-here-is-why/

hysterical, hysteric or hysteria

Originates from the greek word hystera – the womb. It was originally used in the 1800s to describe a neurotic condition that is caused by the dysfunction of the uterus. Its meaning changed with the centuries to “unhealthy emotions or excitement”. In the 19th and 20th century a way to heal a woman from her hysteria was through a clitoridectomy. A clitoridectomy is the removal of the clitoris. Until the 1950s doctors used “hysteria” to describe multiple mental health issues, though it’s a term exclusively used for women. Imagine: You go to see your doctor because you don’t feel well. Instead of giving you a diagnosis, he/she calls you “hysterical” and sends you home without proper treatment.Today people mainly use it to describe women, who cannot control themselves or are too emotional (because..you know..women have a uterus). To call a man hysterical means that he is behaving “unmanly”.




What It Really Means When You Call a Woman “Hysterical”

https://www.vogue.com/article/trump-women-hysteria-and-history

Trump supporters—all the way from the administration on down to the legions of right-wing bloggers—cannot seem to stop themselves from diagnosing the left with various forms of mental illness, particularly “hysteria.” The hundreds of thousands of people who took to the streets for the Women’s March in support of women’s rights or who joined the strike on March 8 for the #DayWithoutAWoman were (and will be) described as “rabid feminists” and “crazies” who flew into “hysterics and tantrums” (when they weren’t being called “paid protesters”). The public figures who criticized Trump’s travel ban, as well as the demonstrators who gathered at airports, were mocked as sensitive “snowflakes” acting out some kind of media-induced “hysteria.” And when Democratic leaders stalled on a series of cabinet votes, the Trump administration said they were “a bunch of crybabies” who “cry and scream” over everything because their hysteria knows “no gradation.”

The language of mental illness is used so often against the left that a quick Google search of the phrase will lead you down a rabbit hole where “anti-Trump hysteria” is a motive for everything from malaise to murder, and that public activism is not a product of reason, but a substitute for therapy.

If conservatives are going to continue portraying criticism of President Trump as a symptom of “hysteria,” which it seems they are, then we should get to know this condition a little better. We should understand that diagnosing people with hysteria has a long, complicated, and dark history. It’s the history of authoritative men pitting a woman against her own mysterious, unruly body, a body that disqualified her from positions of power and a general sense of autonomy. If we understand this, we can start to understand why calling someone crazy is so particularly dangerous: It transforms what was once a dialogue or debate into an attack on the legitimacy a person needs to form opinions.

It is also an accusation that dredges up this old and historically gendered understanding of reason: men are rational (and suited for public life), whereas women are hysterical (and ill suited for the same). In Once Upon a Text: Hysteria from Hippocrates, which is a chapter of Hysteria Beyond Freud, Helen King traces this notion of the inferior and hysterical woman back to the ancient Greek belief that the uterus was the “origin of all disease.” The womb, thought Plato (and Hippocrates), was believed to lurch up and down the body, upsetting a woman’s delicate constitution. This illness was called hysterike pnix, or “the suffocation of the womb,” and was believed to cause erratic and unreliable behavior in women—anything from strange emotional outbursts to suffocation. One suggested treatment, among others, was to be pregnant all of the time, keeping the womb—and the notion of womanhood as motherhood—secure.

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As for pearl clutching, it injects gender (in a negative way) into the discussions, as its origin visions refer to women, not men, generally in some hazy, loosely-referenced Victorian (or slightly later) sense of 'fainting couches, etc, and when the terms is directed at men, it also adds subtle homophobic and/or 'the emasculated man' memes, the latter again referencing the perceived weakness of the female construct.

Here is an oh so typical (and again from the RW, from the detestable Federalist) use. For added spiciness, the female author even tells us liberal women to 'grow a pair of balls'.


Pearl-Clutching At Trump’s Debating Is Making Women Look Like Idiots


https://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/pearl-clutching-trumps-debating-making-women-look-like-idiots/

Dear fellow women of the world,

Please grow a pair of balls. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Yes, I’m talking to you, my fellow females who have their panties in a bunch over Donald Trump’s treatment of Hillary Clinton during the first presidential debate Monday night. According to several news reports, you are “unnerved” that Trump dared to interrupt Clinton 51 times.

PBS NewsHour, the Boston Globe, Vox News, and several other outlets covered this theme, quoting women around the country in what sounds like a whiny therapy session. For many women, Donald’s boisterous intrusions bought back painful memories of being treated like a second-class citizen.

A women from Chicago tweeted: “Thoughts & prayers to every woman watching the #debates & getting painful flashbacks to dudes talking over them at work, school, home, etc.” A linguistics professor at Georgetown University raised the spectre of post-traumatic stress disorder. “It’s frustrating in women’s lives,” she said. “And to see it up there in a dramatic way, it’s a little bit of PTSD. You’re seeing the things you suffered from. It brings it back.” Newsweek went so far as to label the debate “sexist” and “misogynist.”

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,623 posts)
6. Hysterical, evidence free click bait. Trump's only path to retain power is through crime/violence
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 10:12 PM
Oct 2020

He cannot stop an initial counting of ballots- that is controlled by the states, and not subject to SCOTUS jurisdiction.

Neither Trump, nor the state legislatures have any authority to send Alternate slates of electors to Congress. That is completely under the authority of the Secretaries of State and the governors.

Release the death-grip on your pearls, and educate yourself, starting with Top Constitution expert Laurence Tribe, and work your way through the following links, which are filled with references to existing law and court rulings, including from SCOTUS, which prove beyond a doubt that the scenario outlined in your OP is doomed to failure:

http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2020/09/state-legislatures-cannot-act-alone-in.html

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5e70e52c7c72720ed714313f/t/5f625c790cef066e940ea42d/1600281722253/State_Legislature_Paper.pdf

https://verdict.justia.com/2020/09/30/no-republicans-cannot-throw-the-presidential-election-into-the-house-so-that-trump-wins

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Sep25.html#item-2

These kinds of OP’s are misinformation at best, and deliberate disinformation at worst, intended to damage Democratic voter morale.

Here is the truth: the only way Trump can hold onto power is through extra-legal means, such as sending armed federal agents to seize ballots or otherwise disrupt the initial counting of ballots. This would require hundreds, if not thousands, of federal agents to risk incarceration, as well as death from being shot by state police/agents protecting the counting of ballots. In addition, the streets would fill with millions of protestors, and the stock market and the economy would collapse. I think it is highly unlikely to happen.


Liberal In Texas

(13,556 posts)
7. What possible reason could they give to stop countiing votes?
Tue Oct 13, 2020, 10:13 PM
Oct 2020

Just yelling fraud wouldn't seem to be enough of a reason, legally or just common sense. Everybody would know that they would be the ones trying to commit fraud.

I really hope there is such a blue tidal wave they won't be ahead anyplace on election night to be able to pull this kind of stunt.



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