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Wow! Barrett doesn't know the 5 freedoms of 1st Amendment. (Original Post) imanamerican63 Oct 2020 OP
She missed the right to protest and I believe one more. Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #1
her and sasse are almost flirting IcyPeas Oct 2020 #2
I dred what those late nights at the Supreme Court offices are going to look like Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #4
yeah, and she seems unsophisticated about the wily ways of men like that. nt Grasswire2 Oct 2020 #6
I predict a Kavanaugh - Covid Barret affair. Just sayin lettucebe Oct 2020 #24
Well, I hope they have video. Dan Oct 2020 #25
Or a Kavanaugh, Thomas, and Barrett love triangle. LuvNewcastle Oct 2020 #27
Religion, speech, the press, assembly, petition government. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #3
Petition government? Would that be the same to right to protest? Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #5
Protests are more closely aligned with freedom of assembly FBaggins Oct 2020 #9
It's specifically about petitions. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2020 #10
Protests are more speech and assembly. Petition is mostly suing the government. unblock Oct 2020 #11
Thank you. Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #13
Also lobbying the government DeminPennswoods Oct 2020 #17
Yes indeed. unblock Oct 2020 #18
It's included. The specific wording is "petition the government for redress of grievances." The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #19
Yes she does: Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV. TheBlackAdder Oct 2020 #7
Thread winner! unblock Oct 2020 #8
Yes, but... ornotna Oct 2020 #15
Six. Laelth Oct 2020 #12
Scotus Judges should know the answer. Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #14
Judges? Ptooey, it's first-year law school stuff. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #20
I would hope so. Laelth Oct 2020 #21
I'm not a lawyer meadowlander Oct 2020 #33
Of Course, RobinA Oct 2020 #35
It's an oral vs. written distinction. Laelth Oct 2020 #39
Talibornagain JCMach1 Oct 2020 #16
Freedom schmeedom. She has one mission: to keep Turd out of jail and in the White House forever. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #22
The Handmaid's Fail Blue Owl Oct 2020 #23
😂 Luciferous Oct 2020 #34
I know them, and I'm a 1985 law school grad! Faygo Kid Oct 2020 #26
You'd think she would know religion at least IronLionZion Oct 2020 #28
What will they say/do when it is not their version of Christianity in charge? keithbvadu2 Oct 2020 #32
In charge? keithbvadu2 Oct 2020 #36
Pilgrims fled England to seek religious freedom IronLionZion Oct 2020 #38
Sounds kinda like 'originalism', eh? keithbvadu2 Oct 2020 #40
Sounds like we should separate church and state IronLionZion Oct 2020 #41
Yesterday She Thought DallasNE Oct 2020 #29
She definitely needs to hire good clerks Captain Zero Oct 2020 #31
Wanna bet Notorious RBG knew the answer??? RIP sweet lady RIP. NoMoreRepugs Oct 2020 #30
this mam. AllaN01Bear Oct 2020 #37

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
4. I dred what those late nights at the Supreme Court offices are going to look like
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 01:15 PM
Oct 2020

with a predator like Kavanaugh roaming the halls. Or, if they find themselves at one of those parties where there's a lot of alcohol flowing. Not saying that Barrett would welcome his advances. Just that I would be surprised if he doesn't resort to his old ways.

What would you expect from conservative judges who know they don't belong there, positioned on a Supreme Court that doesn't provide them with ethical rules to follow?

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
17. Also lobbying the government
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 01:32 PM
Oct 2020

From Wiki:

According to the Congressional Research Service, since the Constitution was written,[3]

the right of petition has expanded. It is no longer confined to demands for “a redress of grievances,” in any accurate meaning of these words, but comprehends demands for an exercise by the government of its powers in furtherance of the interest and prosperity of the petitioners and of their views on politically contentious matters. The right extends to the "approach of citizens or groups of them to administrative agencies (which are both creatures of the legislature, and arms of the executive) and to courts, the third branch of Government. Certainly the right to petition extends to all departments of the Government. The right of access to the courts is indeed but one aspect of the right of petition."

unblock

(52,251 posts)
18. Yes indeed.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 01:41 PM
Oct 2020

I got lazy and just said "mostly", which probably doesn't even get the proportion right. Thanks for filling in the gap!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
19. It's included. The specific wording is "petition the government for redress of grievances."
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 02:29 PM
Oct 2020

The right to assembly and the right to free speech could also be included in the right to protest. "Petitioning" is also going to the courts.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
12. Six.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 01:23 PM
Oct 2020

1) freedom of speech
2) freedom of the press
3) freedom of religion
4) freedom FROM religion (no state religion allowed)
5) freedom of assembly (and association—the state can’t tell you who you cannot associate with, nor can it tell you who you MUST associate with)
6) right to seek redress of grievances from the government (i.e. ACCESS TO THE COURTS)

Admittedly, this is a tough question, and very few Americans know the correct answer, but I would prefer it if our SCOTUS Judges could answer this question.

-Laelth

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
14. Scotus Judges should know the answer.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 01:26 PM
Oct 2020

Especially someone who claims to be a constitutional strict constructionist.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
20. Judges? Ptooey, it's first-year law school stuff.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 02:33 PM
Oct 2020

A federal judge should be able to rattle those items off faster than a law student.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
21. I would hope so.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 02:37 PM
Oct 2020

Barrett is unquestionably unfit. Not sure how she managed to get a job teaching law at Notre Dame, but her own colleagues wrote a letter saying that she should not be a SCOTUS judge. That should be a hint.



-Laelth

meadowlander

(4,397 posts)
33. I'm not a lawyer
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:46 PM
Oct 2020

but could guess four of them based on a ninth grade civics class I took thirty years ago and watching the news a couple times a week.

What rock did they find her under?

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
35. Of Course,
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:48 PM
Oct 2020

freedom of the press refers only to printed press, as they didn't have anything digital back in the day.

Just trying to keep up with originalist thinking...

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
39. It's an oral vs. written distinction.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 04:47 PM
Oct 2020

Freedom of speech is the rule (including digital, oral communication). Orally publishing damaging lies about others (slander) is an exception.

Also, freedom of the press is the rule (including digital, written communication). Written publication of damaging lies about others (libel) is an exception.

Naturally, no constitutional right is absolute. There are exceptions to all of them.

We’re not allowed to own nuclear weapons, for example, despite our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

-Laelth

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
26. I know them, and I'm a 1985 law school grad!
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:18 PM
Oct 2020

Long time ago, but even I and my peers know this. She cares nothing for these essential rights. I won the Book Award for Constitutional Law as best in my class, and as bright as she is, she is a captive of the dead hand of an 18th century interpretation of the Constitution. Stop her.

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
28. You'd think she would know religion at least
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:34 PM
Oct 2020

Many conservatives believe in the myth of state-established religion as long as they can screw over someone else out of their freedoms.




Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

keithbvadu2

(36,823 posts)
32. What will they say/do when it is not their version of Christianity in charge?
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:46 PM
Oct 2020

What will they say/do when it is not their version of Christianity in charge?


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/americas-true-history-of-religious-tolerance-61312684/?no-ist= ;

Madison also made a point that any believer of any religion should understand: that the government sanction of a religion was, in essence, a threat to religion. "Who does not see," he wrote, "that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" Madison was writing from his memory of Baptist ministers being arrested in his native Virginia.

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
38. Pilgrims fled England to seek religious freedom
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 04:16 PM
Oct 2020

because they didn't want an established state religion in America.

Fundies love that the words "separation of church and state" don't appear in the constitution. It was in Thomas Jefferson's letters explaining the intent of the religion clause in the first amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
29. Yesterday She Thought
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:35 PM
Oct 2020

A question of law against voter intimidation at the polls was a hypothetical question, not knowing that a law had been on the books for decades. She is coming across as a real lightweight.

Captain Zero

(6,806 posts)
31. She definitely needs to hire good clerks
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:41 PM
Oct 2020

Cause she appears to know SQUAT.
Fat Tony must have hired her as eye candy.

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