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Source: New York Times
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NBC faces blowback for booking a Trump town hall Thursday up against Bidens on ABC.
President Trump may not be debating Joseph R. Biden Jr. on the same stage on Thursday night as originally planned. But the two candidates will still face off head-to-head.
NBC said on Wednesday that it would broadcast a televised town hall with Mr. Trump from Miami on Thursday at 8 p.m. Eastern the exact time that Mr. Biden will appear on ABC for his own town-hall-style event in Philadelphia.
The decision to schedule Mr. Trump directly against Mr. Biden generated a swift backlash on Wednesday among top Democrats and media pundits, who said NBC was allowing the president an opportunity to blot out his opponent on the airwaves.
Vivian Schiller, a former news executive at Twitter and National Public Radio who previously worked at NBC, called the timing decision shameful in a Twitter post. The point of a news organization is to serve the public. This is the opposite, Ms. Schiller wrote.
Mr. Bidens town hall has been on the books since last week, after Mr. Trump, who had recently contracted the coronavirus, rejected plans to convert the second formal presidential debate into a virtual matchup; the debate was eventually canceled.
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Moostache
(9,895 posts)They can all roast in hell for throwing a drowning, flailing, disease-spreading asshole a financial lifeline...
Joy?
Rachel?
Nicolle?
You show up to work and utter so much as a single syllable about this shameful event and you will disappear from the world of informed media for me forever. No second chances this time around...
Free TV for a broke campaign after that campaign torpedoed the LEGITIMATE debate process? That is NOT news, its propaganda. That network is not an honest broker, it is a corporate shill. Any "talent" that partakes in the event AT ALL is not a legitimate reporter, its a whore...taking pimp money to sell their soul for lucre...
Good bye NBC, MSNBC, CNBC. Goodbye to the spineless turds that remain employed there following this shameless attempt to stir up a horse race in a contest that had Secretariat running away from the field...this is the equivalent to firing a tranquilizer dart into that horse on the back stretch for advertising cash.
Fuck them all.
forgotmylogin
(7,530 posts)Since they're up head to head, if Joe wins the time slot, the rage-tweeting will be HILARIOUS.
ananda
(28,866 posts)Biden is sure to get better ratings.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)Everybody slows down to gawk at a flaming, twisted wreck - even if it is on the other side of the median.
Bev54
(10,053 posts)It is about the irresponsible and reckless decision by NBC to provide this broke campaign with reward after he refused to the terms of the second debate. This should be considered an illegal campaign contribution. I am so disgusted with them all continuing the despicable behaviour they showed in 2016.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Auggie
(31,173 posts)SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Interesting.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)It is NOT a conscious omission on my part to state that the main debate analysts should be first to account if they cover this atrocity...but if you want to throw Brian Williams on there to add balance in your mind, please feel free to include him as well, though in my mind he is already pre-disgraced and irrelevant anyway.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Smh.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)I apologize if you truly feel that I am in some way taking shots only at female MSNBC hosts...the rest of the screed is pretty much generic, but you clearly are offput by it and that was not the intent.
Mea Culpa.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Yes, I was offput by that. Wouldnt have thought a thing if youd included the male hosts.
Id have agreed with you, actually.
phylny
(8,380 posts)Not anymore.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)2nd choice, Chuck Todd. There is no 3rd choice.
I'm sure they let Trump pick the moderator and set the terms and that speaks volumes. No news organization worth their salt would allow that to happen so corporate pressure?
I actually anticipated this happening but on Fox News rather than NBC.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Evil greedy sabotage. Fuck them with a rusty flagpole!!!!!!
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Shame. I wouldnt even watch MSNBC if I could get it here.
Sick of Reids bias
Chuck Todd
Ari Melbe
Steve Kornacki
Even Rachel takes too long to get to the point.
Keith is gone
Gave Kelly a job
Gave Shep a job
Tweety gone
OBrien gone
Harris-Perry gone
They are telling us who they are.
ResistantAmerican17
(3,809 posts)May I glom on?? First, I HAVE changed the channel and stopped watching. Second, Rachel is sharp, but she just repeats the same things over and over and over. You can tune back over in 15 minutes and its still the same phrase, word, etc.; Kornackijust too hyper for me; really like Chris Hayes but damn, that cat asks 4 minute questions with his take, and the guest talks for a minute 20. Nichole Wallace has great reporters and friends, and I watch religiously because I think somethings going to touch her last nerve and shes gonna let the profanity rip!! Anticipation!
Finally - head scratching NBC decision to give the shithead free air time.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Just happens to be mine. I doubt seriously in NBC cares about what I think
I like Nichole a lot. But shes a Republican at heart so I dont trust her or Steve Schmidt.
Like ODonnell cuz he really promotes Katie Porter a lot.
Hayes has never been enjoyable to watch tho I think hes mostly okay.
I forgot that NBC fired Tamron Hall for Kelly.
ancianita
(36,095 posts)I'd like to hear your thinking on this.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Non-corporate owned news.
Dont know if it exists
No more botherism
Quit taking interviews with liars with lies that go unchallenged
Quit trying to make it a horse race.
Not show your bias
Report deplorable shit like its deplorable.
Challenge all misinformation or do t even report it.
Quit letting trump use tax dollars to campaign by repeating trumps failings religiously.
Put the focus on the election not trump rallies against masks and Hunter Biden.
Quit firing folks to hire worse folks.
I can still watch other news outlets.
Use the internet. Dont need NBC. Thought I did. But lived without it for a year. Bought an Amazon fire to get MSNBC. Already dont watch it a lot.
Not sure why my opinion causes such interest its one opinion.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)ResistantAmerican17
(3,809 posts)I will admit that I only found her when I started working from home because of her time slot, but I notice that she eviscerates lying gas bag republicans and she seems pretty on the mark.
calimary
(81,322 posts)I still love Rachel - she's the "show of record" at our house and the one show not to miss. I always feel like I'm attending a master class in something, and it fascinates me how she backs into the lead.
Chris Hayes - meh. He's not my favorite. Your criticism is certainly accurate. But I'm frankly still smarting over how fervently he pushed Bernie Sanders on his show in 2016. Had him on once a week, for Pete's Sake! I find myself thinking - this kid has a primetime show? What about all the other folks who are good enough but were passed over, for him?
Nicolle Wallace is pretty good, too. She does have potential and I love the way you expressed what you hope to see. She seems genuine. Anticipation, INDEED! But, that said, she's a former GOP actor in this drama, so I can only say she "seems" that way. I want to like her - but I have a basic distrust of anyone who has a "used to be GOP-anything" in their resume. HAVE THEY really seen the light? HAVE they seen the error of their republi-CON ways? Or how soon will they "go back home" to their bad old ways? Which is the same way I feel about talking heads like Steve Schmidt and Rick Wilson and so many others now. I don't completely trust them. Glad they're on our side - NOW. Glad they SEEM to have had some sort of epiphany, and reject their old thinking - SEEMINGLY, anyway. But I need to see more longterm PROOF of that. I need to see a track record here. Over years. AND different presidential administrations.
Like Lawrence O'Donnell, and I trust him. HE has a longterm track record of reliability.
Ari Melber should lay off the "look how hip I am" stuff. Quoting rapper lyrics to make a point - does everyone in his audience understand the fine points of that particular poetry?
One of my real favorites is Katy Tur. I used to work with her dad from time to time - at least when we were all out there in the field, covering stuff. She's impressed me tremendously. She's done the "toiling in the back of the vineyard," and has earned the anchor position she has now. She does a GREAT job and can come up with a real haymaker of a question, or a point, on a fairly regular basis. I like how she thinks!
AND, bias here - I've always appreciated how she'll give the time check at the top of her show in Pacific time first, and THEN the Eastern time. When I was working - news managers and decision makers at the network level behaved as though the West Coast just didn't exist. It was all New York-centered, ALL THE TIME! And if it happened in New York, it led the newscast, whether you cared or it affected you at all - in Los Angeles, Seattle, Vegas, Phoenix, or Coeur d'Alene. I remember being an anchor on NBC Radio when New York City hd a power failure. I was ORDERED to lead with it. I argued - Hey, I'm in Burbank, here. What do I care that there was a power failure in New York? Why is that the lead story for me? And the answer came back (FROM my producer in New York) - that power failure affects five million people, so you WILL lead with it. And I did. Wasn't happy about it and I disagreed on behalf of everybody west of the Mississippi, but I complied.
As for Joy Reid, I always like seeing somebody who "toiled in the back of the vineyard" for quite some time finally getting elevated from the minors to the majors. She earned this! She's a little scattered sometimes, but that's forgivable.
calimary
(81,322 posts)town hall -
STUPID! WRONG! MISGUIDED! IDIOTIC! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? They couldn't have programmed it an hour AFTER Biden so viewers could get a full picture of both candidates? Makes me suspicious of the NBC brass. Agenda much? And it hurts to see this. I'm personally offended, as a former employee of NBC News. I was so proud of that! Right now, not so much.
Hope their ratings go into the toilet - where trump already is comfortably ensconced. (Hmmm... appropriate somehow!) I will be watching the BIDEN show.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Are Ali Velshi, long time fan of his. And Nicolle. She is funny and allows her guests to talk with out the long winded questions of Scarborough.
The rest are just repeats all day long.at least CNN gives some news.
But this Trump insult drove me away.
llashram
(6,265 posts)LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Exactly how am I jumping the shark?
I have no show to jump.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Upthevibe
(8,053 posts)I'm completely with you......I'm not going to quit watching Nicole, Joy, Rachel, Lawrence....
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)Joe on ABC.
I will continue watching Ari, Joy, Rachel, and Lawrence.
But a very destructive move for NBC. They could have given the con another night.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)You get to have it. But you dont get to tell me to watch or not watch.
Enjoy your trump love fest.
George II
(67,782 posts)As for the personalities?
Velshi has an agenda
Mitchell is washed up
Todd is just politically naive, and biased
Reid is definitely biased
Kornachi is a plagiarizer
Ari Melber is tolerable
Chris Hayes is a hack
Maddow dances around too much and is too melodramatic (and what's with drawing circles on her paper?)
O'Donnell is pretty good
Brian Williams is a perfect cure for insomnia
The only one really worth intentionally tuning in is Nicolle Wallace. Sad that an ex-republican is the best on that network.
ResistantAmerican17
(3,809 posts)Sad that an ex-republican is the best on that network.
phylny
(8,380 posts)Not a gotcha question, I really dont know.
Thanks!
George II
(67,782 posts)IcyPeas
(21,889 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Kahuna
(27,311 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)probably thought in his small mind that he was doing the scoop of the century and instead, he's enabling more lies, more distortions to fill the airwaves w/ trump's ranting and raving, while distracting from Mr. Biden's town hall. All to game more ratings for NBC.
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)... and, yes, I'm not interested in the commentary from Rachel, Joy and Nicole. They can say he was bad and cash their hefty paychecks without my participation in any way.. This has Trump's fingerprints all over...
ancianita
(36,095 posts)And the race owners get their ad profits.
Fuck these guys.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)dalton99a
(81,516 posts)and to enrich themselves in the process
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Comcast Media has not book many Ads from the Trump Campaign. Last time around,they posted a 1 Billion dollar Profit for this quarter all on Trump and Clinton Ads.
BTW,this is a Chuckie Toad move.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Amishman
(5,557 posts)One more thing for Trump to lose head to head before the big one!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)I suspect there will be a lot of channel flipping, and Hate Watching.
But I think this may play into Biden and the Democrats advantage. Any actual undecided voters, or other 2016 Trump voters that are wavering, will be able to flip back and forth and compare the two. Folks that may not have planned on watching any of the Biden townhall. And dimes to donuts, Trump will make some crazy idiotic statements. I just pray that any host will not simply let him ramble on with a litany of lies. Without Biden there, there is no one else to challenge his duplicity.
sprinkleeninow
(20,252 posts)Doodley
(9,094 posts)ancianita
(36,095 posts)even uses Democratic talking points about stuff like Covid, scientists, health care and how "we are all in this together," and how he's cut their medicine prices and will distribute a vaccine at low or no cost, and prove he's invincible by kissing everyone. No more "I'm the only one who can fix it".
Tryin' to get those national poll numbers up.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)This is such a bonehead move.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)cling to their "Trump-sized ratings" for another 4 years??
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)they will back him to the very end.
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)stand phony Savannah Guthrie and I hope that the prime time line up and Nicole speak out against this crap.
Rhiannon12866
(205,504 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Amishman
(5,557 posts)The most appropriate place for him is an assisted living facility for those with dementia
Rhiannon12866
(205,504 posts)And we all expect him to end up there, hopefully sooner rather than later. But right now, shouldn't he be in lock down because he has the virus, rather than holding mass gatherings where he can infect other people?? What is anyone thinking that they can condone this?!
Music Man
(1,184 posts)A true "what the actual fuck?" moment.
Talk about rewarding the bully.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
MSNBC is really starting to blow.
Rachel, Lawrence & Joy alone could not warrant keeping the TV package.
.
ancianita
(36,095 posts)American women as a demographic, and their allies, should be boycotting all watching. NBC has been accused[of tolerating a culture of sexism and sexual harassment among its employees (especially within upper management and among senior anchors) and also of covering up indiscretions committed by prominent figures in the company through intimidation campaigns against victims that include a widespread use of non-disclosure agreements. This may have exposed the company to pressure by Harvey Weinstein to delay and/or terminate reporting on Weinstein's criminal abuse of many women.
We could take out a full page ad in the New York Times, or write a letter with the long list of our signatures, to George Cheeks & Paul Telegdy, the current CEO's -- with sufficient time. Which I don't think we have.
But I don't think we could change their decision, even if we did both.
But I do think they should know we're not in their audience, and that our stand is "fuck NBC's ratings."
Guess the best thing we can do is not watch.
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)ancianita
(36,095 posts)IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)what a slap in the face to their viewers.
More viewers will tune into the trump clownery show because they want to be amused.
pwb
(11,276 posts)I am watching Joe.
whttevrr
(2,345 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)archiemo
(492 posts)Talitha
(6,593 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Thats why. Dump is toxic.
ResistantAmerican17
(3,809 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)FOX doesnt want that much political garbage spilling over from their fake news network. It will KILL advertiser revenue, especially TOXIC TRUMP.
In Detroit, their O&O station keeps a healthy distance between the two.
All about the $$$$$$$.
Talitha
(6,593 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)Dump is going to LOSE.
spanone
(135,844 posts)grobertj
(187 posts)It likely won't change anything, but I hope they'll get millions on email and letters.
triron
(22,007 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Usually corporations think about liability. What idiots.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,672 posts)are they thinking and they get to spread Covid at the same time. A twofer
Mersky
(4,982 posts)tRump is already using taxpayer money to campaign, he doesnt need handouts from NBC Comcast. I know better than to get cable through them - already got burned when their technician that upgraded my service took my old box that I was charged for years later, because they have no incentive to have good inventory systems or checks.
Its Comcast doing this, and I am pissed. Ill be watching ABC for the Bidens town hall.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)That's because I've been boycotting television most of my life. You can never trust any corporate media.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)the headlines for 4 years so why give him more.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,432 posts)Oh, and phuck NBC.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)But, I don't think the pundits have much to do with it.
BarbD
(1,193 posts)This past year I have been trying to maintain my sanity by carefully selecting what I watch -- especially in the evening before I go to bed.
I watch Nicole Wallace from 4-6. Skip Ari because at 82 I am totally lost with his rap references. I will flip in and out with Joy and Chris, but look forward to Rachel at 9. I like the way her mind works. And, by the way, really enjoyed her book, "Blowout". By the time I get to Lawrence, the New York Times has put up its next day crossword puzzle so he does not have my full attention.
It is going to take a great deal of determination and strength to get through the next few weeks. I am grateful for DU in helping me.
These discussions are my salvation.
PCIntern
(25,556 posts)You dont get his rap references? Nobody gets his rap references.
I have to tell you, that thing he does is some of the weirdest shit Ive ever heard. I was thinking of doing a parody of him using lines from songs from musicals. He might say, Pelosi rode back into town in what couldve been a surrey with the fringe on top or when he introduces his guest panel, he could say, Were gonna rocket tonight, were gonna jazz it up and have us a ball!
BarbD
(1,193 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)DVR Chump's to watch later.
Not much difference, really, than if they were broadcast at two different times. It'll still take 2 hours to watch both (assuming they're an hour each).
Don't most people with TV/Cable have the ability these days to DVR? I'm not sure I see much of a difference watching it as I suggested. You can even DVR both to have them available to re-watch if so desired.
ananda
(28,866 posts)!!!
Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)everyone is having with this. If the THs were broadcast at two different times, one would still invest the same amount of time watching both. Much ado about nothing, IMO.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)and you were to watch both, they'd both get the rating.
As you say, if one DVRs and watches one later, they both still get the rating. So what's the difference?
Either way, one gets to see both shows, and both get the rating.
My point was that I'm having a hard time getting anxious about the networks running the THs at the same time...there are OPTIONS!
Celerity
(43,415 posts)the completely lying hack Joy Reid. She continues to this day to stand by her lie (proven to be a lie beyond a shadow of a doubt) that she was hacked and did not write any of her homophobic posts. Hell, a DU real time post from way back then (which copied real time, within an hour or so, one of her homophobic rants) proves she is a liar. She also lied and insinuated that the FBI was going to eventully arrest some mysterious hacker, lololol. Fuck NBC, fuck Joy Reid. I do not buy for one minute that she instantly saw the light and now is pure as the driven snow about us LGBTQ folk. NBC showed their true colours by hiring a credibility-destroyed journo like her. So nope, not shocked at all they are shilling out for Rump. All the big networks are whores for the dollar.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Celerity
(43,415 posts)The big banner headline across the top of the New York Times homepage as Tuesday got underway TRUMPS TAXES SHOW CHRONIC LOSSES AND YEARS OF TAX AVOIDANCE might give the impression that Donald Trump is finally on the verge of political downfall. Dont believe it for a moment. The same kind of mistaken belief has led many to put undeserved trust in a corporate-media system. But the New York Times isnt going to save us. Neither is the Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN or any of the other mass-media outlets, liberal or otherwise. To a large extent, the corporate media especially the TV networks that gave Trump billions of dollars worth of free airtime while raking in enormous ad revenues made him president. The advertising-and-ratings-bedazzled head of the CBS network, Leslie Moonves, uttered an infamously emblematic comment eight months before the 2016 election, in the midst of a campaign that Trump dominated with TV coverage: It may not be good for America, but its damn good for CBS.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)be watching Joe on ABC.