***AP/NORC Poll*** Biden 51 Trump 36

[Johnny2X2X]

https://apnorc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/topline_october_final.pdf

As reported by 538 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

It's a poll of All Americans, and a bit of an outlier, but worth posting since the 538 average is now Joe +10.7, this is about as much of an outlier as yesterday's IBD/TIPP poll was at Joe +7.7.

[oasis]

1. Build Back Better!

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2. Interesting to note the difference between all Americans vs. likely voters

Republicans disenfranchisement is effective. In a proper democracy, They wouldn't stand a chance.

So they do a lot of things to make the pool of likely voters more to their liking.

Absolutely criminal. The legitimacy of government flows from we the people. But in the republican world, it's the other way around.

Everyone should get a vote.

[Johnny2X2X]

5. Dems need to make voting their #1 priority

Step 1, make the first Tuesday in November a National Holiday.

Step 2, come up with a national elections commission that drives fairness into the states. This one is tricky.

Step 3, incentivize voting! A tax credit/penalty for voting or not voting. Even if you choose not to vote there's a form to pick up at the polls for your tax credit. Nothing huge, but say $50 if you vote, $50 penalty if you don't vote (or show up).

If we get voter participation up the Republicans will be forced to change or never be in power again.

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10. well part of it is just making it free and easy for everyone to vote in the first place.

voting is an inalienable right, this goes back to the taxation without representation concept.

no government should be able to take away the right to vote, other than to transfer it to another jurisdiction when you move.

some federal agency, perhaps social security, should provide free, voluntary id cards to anyone who wants one to help counter voter id restrictions. i say voluntary so people don't go crazy about national id concerns.

the federal government should provide transportation services to help with voting in places where states are creating long lines. take the money out of the highway funds allocated to that state.

[Norbert]

3. trump tweeted this morning that a red wave is coming

Should we tell him? NAAAAH!

[NewJeffCT]

6. He predicted Red Wave before the 2018 midterms as well

and that was a resounding BLUE WAVE

[David__77]

8. That's the first thing I thought of.

Part of his problem is that he’s been talking for a while now.

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11. it's not a red wave. it's a bloodbath.

[MANative]

15. Gee, aren't red waves toxic?? nt

[Buckeyeblue]

4. IDK...seems like 13% undecided or 3rd party is way to high

[NewJeffCT]

7. Did I miss something?

I didn't see the actual poll that has Biden 51 and Trump 36 in there? It seems more a trump approval poll

[Johnny2X2X]

9. You're right

I don't see it either, but that's what 538 is reporting.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

[Roland99]

12. It's not even a poll of registered voters...just adults. 11% aren't even registered to vote

https://apnorc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/topline_october_trumpcovid.pdf

NO mention of Biden at all

[Johnny2X2X]

13. 538 reported it

It's a valid data point.

[Roland99]

14. not sure why they're reporting it. There's nothing in there related to any kind of voting response

[Roland99]

16. FOUND it

https://apnorc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/topline_october_final.pdf

[Johnny2X2X]

17. Thanks, page 8

Of not, this was 45-40 a m onth ago.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

18. Clicked your 538 link...

... and saw a bunch of SurveyMonkey online polling crap, with Biden's lead not as big according to them compared to most others.

Not sure why 538 keeps using them. I'm pretty sure they've leaned pretty strongly Republican in the past like Rasmussen, and that was according to 538!

Plus those polls have been depressing lately for Ohio.

[hlthe2b]

19. Not quite sure why a poll of all adults, versus registered or likely voters is given such emphasis..

At least 538.com clearly indicates, even if one has to know to "look"for it.

[Johnny2X2X]

20. It's not given much emphasis

538 weights polls based on LV/RV/All and based on how recent they are, sample size, and their rating. It's a data point. Just like the new IBD-TIPP poll out this morning showing Joe by only 5 is a data point.

[hlthe2b]

21. I was talking abou the media...

[Demsrule86]

25. It fits their new narrative...the polls are closing!!!! Be afraid...total

bs of course.

[Johnny2X2X]

22. I haven't seen it mentioned in the media yet

They'll probably be going with the closer IBD-TIPP Poll.

[lindysalsagal]

23. the health of the economy dropped 14 points in 1.5 years. That's a deathknell for an incumbent

14 points is too far when his winning margins in 2016 were to close to the edge. And economy is supposed to be his ace in the hole, as it were.

[sarcasmo]

24. Bringing Sanity Back.