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Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:37 AM Oct 2020

I've got a bad feeling about this election. Please talk me down!

I'm thinking that it's not the presidential election that will be stolen, but the race for the control of the senate will be where the votes get stolen. Hear me out: At this time, Joe Biden is so far ahead of Rump, it will be difficult to alter the results of the election for a Rump win. In several states, however, the races for senate are very close, 5 percentage points or fewer. Those races would be far easier to alter the results. Maybe that's the reason for Moscow Mitch's horrific giggling at his debate with Amy McGrath. Maybe he knows that the fix is in, and the republican party is OK with throwing Rump under the bus to save the power of the Senate. Rump isn't the only one in Putin's pocket. Am I being too paranoid?

I guess the only way to tell will be after the election and the votes are counted. Let's say I live in a red state. The electorate goes 56% for Joe, but somehow records only 35% for the democratic senatorial candidate, when the polls indicate the race to be much closer. South Carolina, I'm looking at you! If this happens, what can we expect, except for maybe a re-count?

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I've got a bad feeling about this election. Please talk me down! (Original Post) Trailrider1951 Oct 2020 OP
If Joe Biden's coattails weren't big enough for Democratic Senate candidates, Aristus Oct 2020 #1
How about: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ALTERING VOTE TOTALS! brooklynite Oct 2020 #2
But you can, with the blessing of the courts, stop the counting when your boy is ahead. Chainfire Oct 2020 #11
Doubt there will be any states with a 550 vote difference. I assume you are referring to FL 2000. Hoyt Oct 2020 #12
There is no fix greenjar_01 Oct 2020 #3
think about 2018, thats all you have to do and the landslide we had in similar election beachbumbob Oct 2020 #4
We will pick up NC, CO, AZ, and IA for sure, and possibly SC, MT, KS, AK, and 2 in GA Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #5
LOL, I don't take pills, but a nice glass of Cabernet Trailrider1951 Oct 2020 #7
We should also get ME MoonlitKnight Oct 2020 #10
Of course, ME, so even without NC we take back the senate. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #16
NC isn't a sure bet anymore Polybius Oct 2020 #15
Just apply yourself to the things you can control. peachpie2 Oct 2020 #6
Thanks, everyone for your comforting reassurances Trailrider1951 Oct 2020 #8
I think the con lies with the SC. If it worked for Bush it'll work for Trump. Budi Oct 2020 #9
2020 isn't 2000- SCOTUS intervened regarding a RECOUNT, not an initial tally Fiendish Thingy Oct 2020 #17
There is no compelling evidence Turin_C3PO Oct 2020 #13
Well, everything else has been horrible in 2020 Polybius Oct 2020 #14

Aristus

(66,436 posts)
1. If Joe Biden's coattails weren't big enough for Democratic Senate candidates,
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:39 AM
Oct 2020

I would be very much surprised...

brooklynite

(94,682 posts)
2. How about: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ALTERING VOTE TOTALS!
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:40 AM
Oct 2020

There is no evidence that it happened in the past.

There is no candidate, campaign manager or Party leader who says it happened.

The same "hackable voting machines" were the ones that gave us the House in 2018.

Chainfire

(17,587 posts)
11. But you can, with the blessing of the courts, stop the counting when your boy is ahead.
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 12:16 PM
Oct 2020

That has happened in the recent past.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. Doubt there will be any states with a 550 vote difference. I assume you are referring to FL 2000.
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 12:43 PM
Oct 2020

If we vote we win. Would have happened in 2016 too.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
4. think about 2018, thats all you have to do and the landslide we had in similar election
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:42 AM
Oct 2020

environment. A wave election can not be predicted for final outcome, you look at where GOP has to throw money to "save" a "safe" GOP seat and that tells you the story/ Look at where trump campaign has reduced or pulled out campaign spending.

This is a wave, how high? Will know Nov 3rd evening after California polls close

Fiendish Thingy

(15,650 posts)
5. We will pick up NC, CO, AZ, and IA for sure, and possibly SC, MT, KS, AK, and 2 in GA
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:43 AM
Oct 2020

I’m not sure what you’re worried about- altered vote counts that allow Biden to win but change votes only for senate?

Take a Xanax...

Polybius

(15,465 posts)
15. NC isn't a sure bet anymore
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 12:57 PM
Oct 2020

Tillis is still behind, but by much less than last month. CO and AZ I agree are sure bets we win. IA we are less than 5 points ahead, so that one I'm not certain. However, there is Maine. Collins I'm certain will not win.

As for SC, MT, KS, AK, and 2 in GA, we will probably win a couple of those. Our only sure bet to lose a Democratic held seat is Alabama.

peachpie2

(24 posts)
6. Just apply yourself to the things you can control.
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:45 AM
Oct 2020

Make sure you vote. Remind other's to vote. Help other's to vote.

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
8. Thanks, everyone for your comforting reassurances
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:49 AM
Oct 2020

Maybe I am being too paranoid. This whole damn year has been just one freak-out after another!

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
9. I think the con lies with the SC. If it worked for Bush it'll work for Trump.
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 11:49 AM
Oct 2020

Trump's been yelling Voter Fraud for a year now.
Considering he's managed to litigate himself out of every challenge he's faced, it's his normal path to success.

This is probably the main reason Mitch & his Senate is rushing thru Barrett.
She has to be seated before Nov 3rd.

He will challenge every key State all the way to the SC where he will call in favors.
Because that's his game.

That's my only fear in this election & it's a big one.


Fiendish Thingy

(15,650 posts)
17. 2020 isn't 2000- SCOTUS intervened regarding a RECOUNT, not an initial tally
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 01:36 PM
Oct 2020

Unless Trump is willing to use violence (armed federal agents, who have to be willing to risk incarceration or death) to seize ballots before they have been counted, the states will complete their initial counts, despite Trump’s attempts at disruption and distraction.

Once the initial counts have been completed, Trump could attempt to challenge the results, starting in state courts, and working his way up to SCOTUS. If Biden’s margins are as large as expected, Trump’s challenges will fail. Trump would have to succeed in multiple states in order to flip enough EV’s to get to 270.

In the meantime, In order to meet the December 8 “safe harbour” deadline, the Dem Secretaries of State (In PA, WI, and MI) could certify the actual results, and the Dem governors would appoint the appropriate Biden slates of electors.

2020 isn’t going to unfold like 2000- I expect the unexpected, but not the unrealistic.

Turin_C3PO

(14,022 posts)
13. There is no compelling evidence
Fri Oct 16, 2020, 12:46 PM
Oct 2020

that votes have been switched. If that were the case, we wouldn't have had a President Obama for 8 years, plus the blue wave of 2018.

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