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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do DUers think about this from Chris Hayes
https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-trump-is-trying-to-rerun-the-bush-v-gore-playbook-with-the-whole-gang-93865541682: Trump is trying to rerun the Bush v Gore playbook with the whole gang
Eid Ma Clack Shaw
(490 posts)And as poor a SCOTUS decision as it was, the Gore team made bizarre tactical errors post-election which didnt help at all.
Trying to thread that needle through multiple states which, in all likelihood, is what Trump will need, is a different matter entirely.
malaise
(269,144 posts)They will try but I don't think it will work here
Rhiannon12866
(205,759 posts)Since he's not expected to win. That's why he's pushing so hard to get his nominee in at the very last minute.
malaise
(269,144 posts)although I'm still trying to figure out the game in California
Rhiannon12866
(205,759 posts)The choice of the American people did not assume the presidency. Florida SoS Katherine Harris and the Supreme Court in 2000, Ohio SoS Ken Blackwell in 2004 and the Electoral College in 2016. Something here is definitely not right.
Hugin
(33,177 posts)Is an old and fairly obvious one. It also is one of the weaknesses of early voting.
During the early voting the ballot totals turned in by party are public information or can be derived. The game is one assumes that all of the Rs are voting for the R candidates and the Ds for D candidates. If your party is in deficit then miraculously on election day the number of ballots collected from the drop boxes exceeds the deficit number plus any buffer required to avoid any mandatory recount.
Voila! You win.
Oldest game in the book. It's what happened in WI with their recall. Some County Clerk in a heavily Republican area found a few bags of 'uncounted ballots' she'd overlooked and well the recall failed. This failure was enforced by the corrupt Supreme Court in WI. Game over.
malaise
(269,144 posts)led by their governors to force this into the courts. I disagreed with him.
Hugin
(33,177 posts)Even though Chumperdink believes, of course, it's all about him.
Manipulation required to save his pasty buttocks would be monumental and getting a buy-in by the Republican establishment to jump on their swords right now for his benefit is questionable.
CA Republicans took a real stinging in 2018.
They need to re-establish a foothold in CA. It'll be a subtle move in line with the long game. Something, Trump is incapable of even contemplating. He wants it all now and feels he's entitled to it.
That's not to say, if they see an opportunity to push him up they won't. However, from the looks of things, they want to be rid of him. Their overall agenda remains unchanged, though. It was there long before Trump and it'll be there until the Sun burns out.
ProfessorGAC
(65,134 posts)...I'd rec this one.
Really good read, H.
LakeArenal
(28,835 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)not at all productive but not surprised Hayes is doing this
Hayes sucks.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Sympthsical
(9,091 posts)But it wont be close and will fizzle quickly.
pattyloutwo
(279 posts)It pointed out that Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett all worked on Bush v. Gore and reminded us how unethical, wrong, and dangerous to democracy that decision was to not count the votes.
lettucebe
(2,336 posts)There may be a state or three that goes for tRump, but there's not going to be any hanging chads this time around. With all their chicanery and voter suppression (let's not count the brown votes!), it will still be a landslide for Biden.
How do I know? Well, did tRump make any effort to win a new voter in the last 3+ years? Even once? No, he did not. He made every effort to chase away voters though, and it seems to have worked splendidly. In years past that would have been all we'd have heard; you have to win new voters, blah blah blah, but in tRump's case they say nothing? It's been obvious his entire term that he could never win a second.