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Nate Silver: Biden's lead is steady. You have to squint/cherry-pick to see a Trump comeback. (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2020 OP
I sincerely hope so. TreasonousBastard Oct 2020 #1
K&R Scurrilous Oct 2020 #2
I squinted. I see nothing. dchill Oct 2020 #3
But he specifically says national polls..I hope he says that about the battleground polls.. helpisontheway Oct 2020 #4
Nate has Biden at 88% chance in PA and WI; 92% in MI. lagomorph777 Oct 2020 #5
WOW..Now that makes me feel much better!! Nt helpisontheway Oct 2020 #9
PA is drifting red overall the past 5 years Amishman Oct 2020 #11
Biden is solidly ahead in most battleground states - 538.com has all this info cbdo2007 Oct 2020 #13
Trump has never led Biden in any of the averaging polls... Wounded Bear Oct 2020 #6
Nostradamus will predict Turbineguy Oct 2020 #7
Great!! nt USALiberal Oct 2020 #8
What no one knows zipplewrath Oct 2020 #10
That isn't his problem, he is doing the best he can with what he has. cbdo2007 Oct 2020 #14
Mail in ballots zipplewrath Oct 2020 #16
I haven't seen any evidence that democrats are more likely to vote by mail in ballot. cbdo2007 Oct 2020 #17
538 has Trump 12, Biden 88 now. Klaralven Oct 2020 #12
The DU chicken brigade will find something ''concerning'' /nt linda52 Oct 2020 #15
no doubt president hillary clinton agrees with 538 showing her likely winner nt msongs Oct 2020 #18

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
4. But he specifically says national polls..I hope he says that about the battleground polls..
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 10:57 AM
Oct 2020

I feel good about Michigan and Wisconsin. Still a little worried about PA. I don’t know what happened to that state. Trump has a hold on a bunch of the voters there..smh

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
11. PA is drifting red overall the past 5 years
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 11:58 AM
Oct 2020

Republicans gaining ground in voter registration steadily.

Not going to be enough this time around, suburban moderates and independents aren't backing Trump this time around.

Plus in 2016 a lot of rural seldom voters turned out. They went back under their rock in 2018.

It will be something to watch going forward.

I think Biden was the only candidate this cycle able to deliver PA.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
13. Biden is solidly ahead in most battleground states - 538.com has all this info
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 12:14 PM
Oct 2020

And just like the national polls, the state polls are looking very good as well.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
10. What no one knows
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 11:38 AM
Oct 2020

I respect Nate's work. But his problem is the same problem everyone else has. No one knows who is going to actually show up and vote. The pollsters are specifically unsure in this election because of the pandemic. It is exacerbated by the concern that large numbers of mail in ballots may be rejected over technical issues such as bad/missing signatures, missing envelopes, or incorrect markings. And there have been concerns that there is far more dislocation than understood. That is there are people living in different places because they are living with parents or other "pods". I know of a couple that are here in Florida instead of Texas. It isn't clear that they will vote at all, nor where they are legally allowed to vote.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
14. That isn't his problem, he is doing the best he can with what he has.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 12:17 PM
Oct 2020

He is just pointing out that if you look at the 2016 polls, Clinton and Trump kept going closer and farther apart from each other, and Trump even was ahead part of the time and Clinton was only up by like 2.5 points right before the election....yet Biden has been consistently ahead by 8-10 points for months now and is actually moving farther away from Trump.

Looking back at 2016 it is easy to see now how Trump won (besides the cheating obviously) but it was much, much closer than it is this year.

True though, we need to make sure we get as many people out to vote as possible, but the voter issues you describe don't seem to be things that would impact Dem turnout more than Repube turnout, so they the polls should still be directionally accurate.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
16. Mail in ballots
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 12:25 PM
Oct 2020

There is some concern that democrats will more likely vote by mail in ballot and the ballot rejection will be high.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
17. I haven't seen any evidence that democrats are more likely to vote by mail in ballot.
Mon Oct 19, 2020, 01:30 PM
Oct 2020

I do agree that if one of these things disproportionately effects blue areas, then we could definitely say that it will hurt Biden.

But just anecdotally, I did early/absentee voting this week due to COVID fears and expected it to be all Biden people and it was mostly Trump people.

I think Trump is trying to incite massive fraud both to help himself and Biden, because then he can say that there was fraud and the election results are not real. That it helps one side of the other isn't really his concern as he would have much less control over that impact.

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