The lifetime appointment of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court is dedicated to Susan Sarandon...

[NurseJackie]

Link to tweet

Erin Matson 🧟‍♀️
@erintothemax

Today’s vote on the lifetime appointment of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court is dedicated to Susan Sarandon, who was too cool to vote for the Democrat in 2016. Don’t be Susan. Vote.

Today’s vote on the lifetime appointment of Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court is dedicated to Susan Sarandon, who was too cool to vote for the Democrat in 2016. Don’t be Susan. Vote.


Susan Sarandon Isn’t Voting With a Certain Body Part
Good to know.
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[redstatebluegirl]

1. And everyone who wouldn't vote because they couldn't have the candidate they wanted.

[ffr]

40. Or simply forgot the astronomical favorability polls on HRC when she was in office

In the high 50s low 60s. She was a rock star. But they fell for the lies instead, ignoring who she really was. The uneducated dictated to the rest of us that we would not have the better candidate obviously elected.

[StevieM]

124. Great point, but she actually rose all the way to the mid to high 60s.

For both job approval and personal favorability.

[ffr]

133. +1

And somehow because RWNJ's repeated otherwise, that's all people think about her. I just want to smash a frying pan in their faces whenever I hear someone talk negatively about her!!!! Don't get me started!

Glad someone else out there has a functioning memory. Thank you.

[certainot]

193. we let 1500 radio stations attack her and lie about her for 30 years

we still give their leader limbaugh a free speech free ride and still let 87 universities support 260+ limbaugh stations

[Aristus]

2. Political orthodoxy at its worst.

Not a hint of pragmatism, or a thought for anyone who will suffer as a result of her privileged fecklessness...

[greenjar_01]

3. I will honestly never watch another one of her movies, ever

Ever.

And I fucking liked Bull Durham.

What a horrible and foolish person.

[NurseJackie]

6. Maybe Sarandon will play Barrett in the Lifetime Network bio-pic.

[NorthOf270]

39. The closing shot will be Sarandon as Coney Island....

....holding up a coat hanger as she overturns Roe, while James Woods as Boozin Brett humps her leg.

[Hoyt]

4. Barrett will be constant reminder of 2016, the year some Democrats choose to protest the Party.

[Statistical]

15. Constant is the key word. She is young enough that she may be issuing

homophobic, transphobic, anti-women, anti-minority, anti-voting rights rulings from the bench for four fucking decades. We could go through ten damn Presidential elections with her still on the bench.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. Perhaps it's me, but looking at her gives me the Undiagnosed or Precursor to Serious Disease vibe.

.

There is something that seems not right about her health to me.

.

[NorthOf270]

41. Possibly

But that could be nullified if Thomas or Alito drops dead.

[The Magistrate]

5. Hear Hear, Ma'am

Making it worse to make things better does not work. Once securely in power, fascist authoritarians are quite capable of maintaining themselves. This has been clear ever since the Comintern slogan of 1932: "Hitler is the ice-breaker of the Revolution!"

[UpInArms]

8. This 👆🏼

Thank you for stating it so succinctly.

[Newest Reality]

9. You said it.

Chomsky has even chastised people on the left who are contemplating voting for Trump for reason, i.e., another term would force the Democratic Party to make changes in its platform.

It sounds ridiculous and misguided to say the least and I don't think they understand the Fascist mentality much. There are other ways to bring change within our party and if they are dedicated and motivated then they can effect it without dousing the country with gasoline.

[The Magistrate]

18. When Mr. Chomskey Says To Dial It Back, Sir

You know you've gone over the edge....

[Newest Reality]

19. Exactly! ;)

[electric_blue68]

263. Yes, I was surprised when he spoke like that! : o

[George II]

52. That was her theory back in 2016 - vote for trump and we can make things better after him...

Of course, there are 200,000+ Americans who can't vote for Biden or can't "make things better". There are tens of millions of people who don't know where their next meal will come from, there are millions of small businesses that have failed and will never return, and everything that Obama accomplished has either been demolished or is threatened.

And of course, all of those people aren't living in a cushy 6,000 square foot, two floor, six-bedroom $8M apartment in Manhattan, either.

[NurseJackie]

107. She can afford the luxury of "sending a message" (at the cost all those among us...

She can afford the luxury of "sending a message" (at the cost all those among us who are hungry, vulnerable, sick, needy, homeless, parentless, jobless, lgbtq, pregnant, abused... the list goes on and on.)

How fortunate she is to be able to sit high in her tower eating her cake while taking "standing her ground" and being unwilling to compromise her virtuous self.

I'll never forget how she rolled her eyes and shook her head in disgust at the DNC convention nominating Hillary. A spoiled brat.



But in the end... with all her money

[electric_blue68]

264. Took me a while to come up with a relatively short...

phrase that highlights what you pointed out.

"Don't make vunerable groups into sacrificial lambs for your political purity, /or the revolt will arise ideas/argument.

I'd been struggling for years to hone this because I could end up sort of flustered and sort of blithering in a verbal discussion - since I fit into a few of the vunerable categories myself. Anxiety would get in my way.

Because of cv19 I haven't had the chance as this would often happen with people espousing their POVs - leaflets, petitions etc in Public places like a big Green Market, etc.

[NurseJackie]

265. You described it perfectly. (I might borrow your wording someday.)

[electric_blue68]

267. thanks. Be my guest. 🙂

[brer cat]

261. +++

I will never forget or forgive.

[DBoon]

197. and the first people to be sent to Hitler's concentration camps were ...

... German members of the Comintern

Along with the Social Democrats these same German Communists refused to work with to stop Hitler.

[Voltaire2]

7. Clinton lost primarily because of white voters who voted for Obama in 2012 voted for Trump in 2016

but if it makes you happy to attack the left while we have a fascist autocratic political party threatening to destroy the republic...

[Fullduplexxx]

12. The left needs to learn so they dont do something that stupid again

[The Magistrate]

14. Do Not Sell The 'Lefter Than Thou' Short, Sir

They did what they could to help the cheap thug and his crooked cronies.

After all, isn't no bread better than half a loaf? All or nothing is not really a good idea, rousing as it may sound en familia....

[Hekate]

199. To you, Sir

[TwilightZone]

26. We have that autocrat in part because of some of the left.

They bought into 30 years of anti-Clinton hysteria on the right and fixated on things like her speeches.

Sorry, but people like Sarandon and Greenwald don't get a pass.

[George II]

43. Your first premise is incorrect. Clinton lost primarily because many voters felt that she wasn't....

...."pure" enough so they either voted for Jill Stein or didn't vote at all. There simply is no way around that. And some on "the left" (your words) listened to Sarandon and did one of those two - voted for Stein or stayed home.

And she was still bashing Hillary Clinton and praising donald trump as recently as last year!

So, while it's true "we have a fascist autocratic political party" in power in the Senate and white house, Sarandon is partly responsible for that.

[NoMoreRepugs]

55. The "Purity Wing" of the Democratic Party is our version of the "teabaggers" to the RePutinicans IMO

[Gothmog]

71. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump

[Voltaire2]

83. OK, interesting theory, the data is a bit difficult though.

"One of the most puzzling elements of the 2016 election, at least for a lot of Americans, was the millions of voters who switched from voting for Barack Obama in 2012 to Donald Trump in 2016. Somewhere between 6.7 million and 9.2 million Americans switched this way; given that the 2016 election was decided by 40,000 votes, it’s fair to say that Obama-Trump switchers were one of the key reasons that Hillary Clinton lost."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm

The TOTAL green party vote in 2016 was 1,457,216. In 2012 it was 469,501.

So you would have to demonstrate that somehow the extra 1,000,000 green votes in 2016 were about 6x more critical than the more than 6 million Obama->Trump votes in 2016.

Please proceed.

[Mariana]

143. Some people are determined not to blame Trump voters for Trump.

No, it's people who didn't vote for Trump who are at fault. One poster even said outright on one of these threads, "I don't blame Republican voters."

[Voltaire2]

175. Because trying to understand why white suburban males vote in huge numbers for

right wing authoritarianism is difficult and leads to uncomfortable places. It is much easier to pick a left wing celebrity and make her a scapegoat.

[BannonsLiver]

241. Was it because of their economic anxiety?

[Voltaire2]

247. partially, augmented by racist demagoguery that has a long tradition here.

[BannonsLiver]

249. I see

[R B Garr]

220. Even Trump understands that dividing the left was his

ticket to winning. He still tries it, as that was in full display especially in the first debate a couple weeks ago. It’s that obvious to everyone.

[George II]

162. The OP implied that Sarandon played a big part in the 2016 result, but wasn't the only thing....

...that caused Clinton to lose.

I don't see how Skelley could come to his conclusion considering the numbers of votes in 2012 and 2016.

Obama got 65,915,795 in 2012, Clinton got 65,853,514 in 2016
Romney got 60,933,504 in 2012, trump got 62,984,828 in 2016

So Clinton got 62,281 less votes than Obama, trump got 2,051,324 more than Romney.

Total votes in 2012 were 129,085,410 and in 2016 were 136,670,976 (+5.9%), but the population (and registered voters) increased 2.9% from 2012 to 2016. So essentially turnout was up by about 3.5 million votes. That 6.7 to 9.2 million "switched" votes is highly suspect. It just doesn't add up.

Now as far as the increase in Green Party votes, I think it's safe to say that an overwhelming % of those were Democrats or Democratic leaning independents, and very very few were republican voters. It could possibly be a 75/25 split.

But these numbers and yours are nation-wide, not state by state, which is how we determine the result of the election.

Clinton "lost" Pennsylvania by 44,292 votes, Stein got 65,176 votes, up from 21,341 in 2012, more than 3X.
Clinton "lost" Michigan by 10,704 votes, Stein got 19,126 votes, a little less than the 21,897 in 2012.
Clinton "lost" Wisconsin by 44,292 votes, Stein got 31,072 votes, up from 7,665 in 2012, more than 4X.

[Voltaire2]

177. the op did nothing of the sort. But ok fine, lets walk back the entire op and start over.

[The Magistrate]

182. It is Like Arguing With a Kitchen Table, Sir

As Rep. Frank once said to a LaRouchite.

The root of the problem is this. The further left elements in our polity insist on taking those who are just to their right, the moderate left and centerists, as their chief enemy, rather than the christo-fascist right.

It is a foolish error which can be traced back to the original Social;ist and Anarchist movements of the nineteenth century.

It has become tedious....

[Voltaire2]

184. rather an amazing comment considering the op is doing just that from the center.

This divisive op is indeed tedious.

[The Magistrate]

185. The Basic Mis-Understanding, Sir, Rests With The Further Left

In our system, coalitions must be assembled prior to the election.

Some elements of the further left insist on ignoring this, and acting as if there is a multi-party system in place which allows coalitions to be assembled after the election.

The more basic error is that many on the further left misread how influence is gained in a party or a coalition, in which one's views are not predominant. The general line taken by the further left is that if they do not get what they want from the majority elements, they will sit out the contest, and then those centerists will sure be sorry, and come crawling with concessions next time. This is not how it works. To gain influence in a party or coalition, a faction must show it can be counted on in the crunch, that come rain or shine it can be relied on to deliver. Proving yourself unreliable only steels the majority factions to look elsewhere for reliable votes.

[Voltaire2]

186. there was no misunderstanding on my part.

[The Magistrate]

187. One Might Say, Sir

That your comment was contained in, and flows from, the misunderstanding spelled out....

[Lordquinton]

202. Funny

the left was told repeatedly that their vote wasn't needed, then suddenly they are the reason that Clinton lost. Which is it?

If coalition building is needed, why does the party keep kicking the left at every opportunity, then blame then when they don't do exactly what they are told? The republicans throw bones to the right all the time, the dems throw stones. Which motivates better?

[The Magistrate]

206. No One Is Interested In Apologetics From People Who Engaged In Sabotage

Peddle it elsewhere.

This is not the night for crap like that.

The whining has a positively Trumpian air to it.

People who voted Green, people who sat it out because they didn't get 'Bernie', put the country in the position it is in today.

Accept the wrong that was done, apologize, and atone.

Do not try and pretend it did not happen, or that it was somebody else's fault.

That is bullshit, and immature bullshit to boot.

[Lordquinton]

203. Now do Gary Johnson

come on, keep it objective here.

[Lordquinton]

205. The goalposts are making me dizzy

no matter what you provide, somehow it's not the correct information. Apparently Susan was solely responsible for getting Clinton elected back in 2016. Seems like everyone but the people actually responsible for making that campaign successful is actually to blame.

[Gothmog]

69. Jill Stein voters gave trump his margin of victory

A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump

Link to tweet

[Voltaire2]

73. only if you ignore the shift from Obama to Trump

so sure, if your goal is to make the case that we should attack the left, that is your data. If you want to actually understand what happened you might want to look at the much larger obama->trump shift.

[Gothmog]

88. Do not forget the sanders voters who voted for trump

Link to tweet

[JonLP24]

106. I never forgot the PUMAS

After McCain's defeat in the general election, some commentators accused PUMA of essentially misrepresenting their influence or numbers, as some exit polls showed that Obama won over 90% of the Democratic vote. Later studies, however, found that between 24% and 25% of voters who supported Clinton in the primary voted for McCain in the general election.[48]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_United_Means_Action

As a 2008 Obama primary supporter I find it odd Sanders supporters are hated more than PUMAS were.

[NurseJackie]

191. LOL!

As a 2008 Obama primary supporter I find it odd Sanders supporters are hated more than PUMAS were.

Ridiculous. That's not true at all. Nobody "hates" Sanders supporters. The contempt is reserved for those who refused to support the party's nominee. It's really unfair to group them all together in a catch-all phrase like that.

Nevertheless, I guess what I'm trying to point out that what's TRULY "odd," and something that will always be a mystery, is how it is that one group was able to put their disappointment aside (and support the party's nominee) while another group experiencing a similar disappointment was not able to do that.

Odd indeed.

[sheshe2]

198. This

[Gothmog]

210. Clinton campaign for and worked very hard to elect President Obama

I was at the national convention and it was not fun. Having organized booing sessions of John Lewis and Elijah Cummings that sanders refused to stop did not help

[StevieM]

127. First of all, so did Gary Johnson. He took more votes away from Clinton than Stein did.

Look, I'm not defending Sarandon. But you are letting James Comey off the hook when this argument is taken too far. The evidence makes it clear that Comey dominated that election from start to finish. He was more important than every other factor put together.

[Gothmog]

148. A defeat can have multiple causes

In the real world, an event can have more than one causative event. Yes Comey is a scum bucket and yes Russia was succesful in depressing the vote. However the fact remain there were sufficeint stein voters to cover the margin of victory and Clinton would have won but for Stein and sarandon

[StevieM]

149. James Comey dominated the 2016 election from start to finish.

Without his illegitimate antics we would have destroyed Trump.

[Gothmog]

151. Comey was assisted by the NYT who kept the Clinton email story alive

After 2016 election, I cancelled by NYT subscription and subscribed to the Washington Post. I am happier with the Post's coverage

Again, the fact remains that the simple math is clear that Stein's voters wre the margin when combined with sanders votes who voted for trump

[Gothmog]

212. You do understand that these voters likely never trumpers and republicans

I seroiously doubt that any real democrats would be voting for Johnson. Johnson was basically a typical never trumper republican and his platform would not appeal to any real democrats

[StevieM]

219. Every indication I saw from polling at the time indicated that Johnson voters came more from HRC.

Sometimes voters just want an outlet for casting a different vote and they don't look too much into what the candidate stands for.

In any event, I never blamed Johnson or Stein. I always blamed James Comey for swift boating her. He was more significant to the outcome of that election than all other factors put together.

[Gothmog]

236. I would like to see this polling

This is not consistent with Nohnson’s platform and spiel

[Cha]

189. Exactly. If stein & sarandon hadn't LIED their FUCKING

3rd party heads OFF.. that "Hillary was worse that trump".. the voters wouldn't have been so SUCKED in by their GD LIES.

Link to tweet

TY Goth for the BIG SHOT of REALITY.

[oasis]

208. +100,000,000x100,000,000

[Cha]

269. Mahalo, oasis! RF Lessons to learn from History!

[StevieM]

129. James Comey dominated the 2016 election from start to finish.

He was more important than all other factors put together.

The left would not have been nearly as likely to believe Sarandon's idiocy, or to turn on a long-time ally, had HRC not been so thoroughly swift boated beforehand.

[treestar]

152. The swing state losses were by smaller margins than those states'

votes for Stein, though. So the left helped that rather than make up for it.

[haele]

201. No, in PA, the number of votes for Harambe was more than the difference that gave Trump the state.

Too many purity voters either thought she'd win and decided it would be better to throw their vote away instead of ensuring the candidate who "didn't win their heart" would have a conclusive win. They made sure their protest vote was given to Trump, whether they admit it or not.
We aren't a parliament, and most states don't have ranked choice voting. As I learned in high school civics, your vote on local politicians is basically a party popularity contest, but your vote for federal offices will always be between the two major parties; you ether vote for a candidate or against a candidate.
So, there were too many democrats, who willingly, for whatever reason, decided to passively give their vote to Trump rather than the Democratic candidate.

Haele

[Fullduplexxx]

10. No you cant blame just her the dems bought this sitting out 2010 and 2016

[AlexSFCA]

134. and 2014, 2014 - state and local elections

which are even more important for elections - districting, voter suppression, etc.

[Mike Niendorff]

11. Enough.

This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on DU.

And I've been here almost 20 years.

Learn who your enemy is, and stop wasting time and effort encouraging internal attacks and infighting.


MDN

[The Magistrate]

16. You Need To Get Out And Read More, Sir

I have seen a lot worse than this here. Were you ever in the Primaries forum this year?

[Mike Niendorff]

20. I've seen plenty.

I was a Nader organizer in 2000. Trust me, that has not aged well.

I have zero time for grudges and division anymore.

Get over it, get on with it, and turn your fire on the real enemy.

Until the active shooter is out of the White House, there is no other discussion to be had.


MDN

[The Magistrate]

22. I See, Sir

You have form at this sort of thing....

[Mike Niendorff]

30. You know me well by now.

I'm not a top 100 poster anymore, but we've both been here long enough to know each other and to understand where the other is coming from. I've enjoyed and followed your posts for many, many years. I would hope that is mutual, perhaps it's too much to ask with the volume of posts here anymore. Regardless, I appreciate all you've contributed here, and I hope my contribution is welcome as well. I absolutely will not turn my fire on my fellow progressives anymore, and I hope that sentiment is shared. If not, well, be that as it may, the fight goes on. I will do my part anyway.


MDN

[The Magistrate]

36. I Do Appreciate Your Contribution Here, Sir

And in many respects we are on the same side. Certainly we are so far as goals to be attained are concerned.

How they are to be attained seems on occasion to be the sticking point.

[Mike Niendorff]

45. Understood and respected.

We have many battles yet to fight, happy to stand with you here in the trenches any day. Tactical differences, we can get through that.


MDN

[Gothmog]

58. You do know that Rove funded Nader

I will never forgive nader Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

[Mike Niendorff]

72. So, has 20 years gotten us anywhere?

Or should we fight over this for another 20 years?

Enough infighting and scapegoating.

Get the active shooter out of the White House.

No other discussion matters.



MDN

[Gothmog]

79. Nader's arrogance and stupidity got us the Iraq War and Ciitizens United

Nader is the reason why we went to war in Iraq and why bush was able to put Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS where we got Citizens United and the gutting of the voting rights act.

Those who ignore history are doom to repeat it.

[Mike Niendorff]

81. Ok then.

Please tell future generations that you never let go of an internet argument, even when it divided your own house and harmed your own coalition, 20 years in.

Good luck winning the debate prize.

Meanwhile, the rest of us will fight the actual battle that needs to be fought today.

See you on the other side.


MDN

[Gothmog]

86. I am working to elect Joe and to turn Texas blue in the real world

Have fun ignoring history and the consequences of Nader's arrogance and stupidity. Rove got his money's worth by supporting Nader

[herding cats]

229. This is adorable.

I'm feeling a bit maudlin, so forgive me here. The idealist have laid way for a generation of stuffed courts now. All the courts, not just the S.C. All the courts are now broken. Being idealistic has gained no one anything but a full generation of suffering. How do you plan to fix that? I'm dying to hear your plan. Literally, I'll be dead before this is fixed and even if you're in your 20's you'll be elderly. That's how bad this is now.

Literally this is an example of, 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes.'

What's your plan to repair this damage? I'm all ears.

[herding cats]

228. Us, no. Them, yes.

They've played us like a violin and now own all the courts..

How this does not matter to idealist I cannot grasp. This was the big deal, their end game goal. We played childish games while they long gamed us time and time again.

[ehrnst]

118. "there is no other discussion to be had."

Because you say so?

[Codeine]

21. There are many enemies, sir.

Some obvious, others obfuscated.

[airmid]

24. I haven't been here that long but this is a bit over the top. Does Sarandon really

have that kind of power? I wouldn’t think so but the vitriol certainly means she is living rent free in a lot of folks heads.

[brush]

29. You had to be here in 2016. She encouraged not voting for Hillary.

And here we are with trump and his 3 stolen SCOTUS picks which will damage the country for decades.

She's not living in people's heads, we're living in the results of what happened four years ago.

[progressoid]

103. Yeah, she is living in people's heads.

She routinely gets posted on DU anytime something happens that pisses us off.

Never mind the myriad other reasons why trump is in office, it's all Sarandon's fault.

[brush]

105. Do you deny she had a hand in it in encouraging people to vote for Jill Stein...

which would "help bring on the revolution" (her words)?

[progressoid]

113. A very very small hand.

She and Jill Stein are a burr in the britches for a lot of people here. But their influence was pretty minor in comparison.

How about the rest of the media.

Donald Trump succeeded in shaping the election agenda. Coverage of Trump overwhelmingly outperformed coverage of Clinton. Clinton’s coverage was focused on scandals, while Trump’s coverage focused on his core issues.



Attempts by the Clinton campaign to define her campaign on competence, experience, and policy positions were drowned out by coverage of alleged improprieties associated with the Clinton Foundation and emails. Coverage of Trump associated with immigration, jobs, and trade was greater than that on his personal scandals.



...https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud

[brush]

128. What a pretty graphic. Does it show Stein had more votes than the 77k in 3 states...

trump won the EC by? It doesn't take much in extremely close elections.

[progressoid]

141. It also doesn't show

Union Members that voted for Trump by 42%.
Or registered Democrats: 8% voted for him
LGBT voters: 14% voted for trump.
Latino voters: 28% for trump.
Asian voters: 27% for trump.
Or the millions of registered Democrats who didn't even bother to vote.
Etc.

Those millions of union members, POC, LGBT, etc., were a huge part of our base and should have voted DEM. Any one of those groups could have more easily swayed the election. Instead they went for the racist, misogynist, ill-educated, inexperienced, corrupt, ex-reality show star.

Meanwhile, DU obsesses about the hangnail that is Susan Sarandon.

[brush]

153. You do a very good job of defending trump voters.

[progressoid]

155. Condemning.

The word you meant to use was condemning.

[Gothmog]

213. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump

As noted above, the number of stein voters exceeded trump's margin of victory in Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn.

[Lancero]

221. Not the first time a woman has been attacked over the actions of sexist men.

[George II]

160. And she's currently encouraging people to not vote on the Democratic line, even if voting...

....for Biden.

She, and other "progressives" and "Democrats" are telling people to vote for Biden on the Working Families Party line in areas where Biden in their candidate.

That's an attempt to weaken the Democratic Party even today, four years after her 2016 debacle.

[Mike Niendorff]

35. Scapegoating sells.

Don't think that only Trumpers do this.

It's dangerous and shortsighted, as the Republicans are about to learn the hard way in about 8 days.


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[Gothmog]

214. I note that Sarandon was also a supporter of that asshole Nader

[Mike Niendorff]

252. Oh cool.

Knock this crap off.

We stand together or we fall together.

2000 was 20 years ago, and you have my entire record as a DU poster since then to review if you feel so inclined.

If you can't be bothered to do that, at least hit the highlights : like the fact that I've been screaming about Republican corruption of the judicial system for the ENTIRE 20 years I've been here.

And with that said, I'm done bumping this divisive and counterproductive thread. Have a nice day.


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[BannonsLiver]

253. All of our days would have been nicer if Gore had won.

[Mike Niendorff]

254. He did win.

But you all opted to play nice and let the Republicans steal it, because heaven forbid someone stands up and stops them.

Good job on that.

See, it isn't just my actions that have consequences.

Yours do too.


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(* and yes, congrats, you trolled me for one last response -- again, great aim)

[Lucinda]

32. She has earned every bit of criticism that she receives. N/t

[Gothmog]

60. I will not forgive or forget Nader's role in hurting our country

Nader is responsible for the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the voting rights act. Nader was solely responsible for bush being elected in 2000 and for bush putting Alito and Roberts on the SCOTUS. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Nader-voters who spurned Democrat Al Gore to vote for Nader ended up swinging both Florida and New Hampshire to Bush in 2000. Charlie Cook, the editor of the Cook Political Report and political analyst for National Journal, called "Florida and New Hampshire" simply "the two states that Mr. Nader handed to the Bush-Cheney ticket," when Cook was writing about "The Next Nader Effect," in The New York Times on 9 March 2004. Cook said, "Mr. Nader, running as the Green Party nominee, cost Al Gore two states, Florida and New Hampshire, either of which would have given the vice president [Gore] a victory in 2000. In Florida, which George W. Bush carried by 537 votes, Mr. Nader received nearly 100,000 votes [nearly 200 times the size of Bush's Florida 'win']. In New Hampshire, which Mr. Bush won by 7,211 votes, Mr. Nader pulled in more than 22,000 [three times the size of Bush's 'win' in that state]." If either of those two states had gone instead to Gore, then Bush would have lost the 2000 election; we would never have had a U.S. President George W. Bush, and so Nader managed to turn not just one but two key toss-up states for candidate Bush, and to become the indispensable person making G.W. Bush the President of the United States -- even more indispensable, and more important to Bush's "electoral success," than were such huge Bush financial contributors as Enron Corporation's chief Ken Lay.

All polling studies that were done, for both the 2000 and the 2004 U.S. Presidential elections, indicated that Nader drained at least 2 to 5 times as many voters from the Democratic candidate as he did from the Republican Bush. (This isn't even considering throw-away Nader voters who would have stayed home and not voted if Nader had not been in the race; they didn't count in these calculations at all.) Nader's 97,488 Florida votes contained vastly more than enough to have overcome the official Jeb Bush / Katherine Harris / count, of a 537-vote Florida "victory" for G.W. Bush. In their 24 April 2006 detailed statistical analysis of the 2000 Florida vote, "Did Ralph Nader Spoil a Gore Presidency?" (available on the internet), Michael C. Herron of Dartmouth and Jeffrey B. Lewis of UCLA stated flatly, "We find that ... Nader was a spoiler for Gore." David Paul Kuhn, CBSNews.com Chief Political Writer, headlined on 27 July 2004, "Nader to Crash Dems Party?" and he wrote: "In 2000, Voter News Service exit polling showed that 47 percent of Nader's Florida supporters would have voted for Gore, and 21 percent for Mr. Bush, easily covering the margin of Gore's loss." Nationwide, Harvard's Barry C. Burden, in his 2001 paper at the American Political Science Association, "Did Ralph Nader Elect George W. Bush?" (also on the internet) presented "Table 3: Self-Reported Effects of Removing Minor Party Candidates," showing that in the VNS exit polls, 47.7% of Nader's voters said they would have voted instead for Gore, 21.9% said they would have voted instead for Bush, and 30.5% said they wouldn't have voted in the Presidential race, if Nader were had not been on the ballot. (This same table also showed that the far tinier nationwide vote for Patrick Buchanan would have split almost evenly between Bush and Gore if Buchanan hadn't been in the race: Buchanan was not a decisive factor in the outcome.) The Florida sub-sample of Nader voters was actually too small to draw such precise figures, but Herron and Lewis concluded that approximately 60% of Florida's Nader voters would have been Gore voters if the 2000 race hadn't included Nader. Clearly, Ralph Nader drew far more votes from Gore than he did from Bush, and on this account alone was an enormous Republican asset in 2000.

[Mike Niendorff]

77. ok then.

Meanwhile, while you nurse your grudge, the nation burns.

Have a nice day.


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[Gothmog]

84. I am have been working hard in the real world to turn Texas blue and defeat trump

I spent 5 hours on Saturday duing a dry run of the virtual voter protection war room procedures. We have 130+ lawyers and 1000 voluteer poll watchers ready for eleciton day. Texas is a battleground state and we stand to flip control of the Texas state house (which will be key in the upcoming redistricting fights), pick up four to seven congressional seats and hopefully a Senate seat.

Again, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. It was clear to me early on that Joe could put Texas in play and I was correct. I was a day one contributior to him and I have met Joe in person at two 2019 fundreaisers when Joe really needed the money.

[Tarc]

82. The extremist-left who let the perfect be the enemy of the good in 2016 are just as culpable

for Trump and the fallout from his presidency as his white supremacist base.

The OP is squarely in the right here.

[yardwork]

130. You must have taken a break in 2015-16 if this is the worst thing you've read here.

[AmericanCanuck]

163. This is not an internal fight at all

Susan Sarandon encouraged people to vote for Jill Stein instead of Hillary Clinton.

Sarandon is no Democrat -- she is just a narcissistic ideologue who is unable to see the big picture.

Also, I don't think DU has existed 20 years.

[BannonsLiver]

240. My enemy is anyone not voting for Dems

And save the boo hooing for someone who cares.

[My Pet Orangutan]

13. Susan Sarandon deserves a lifetime achievement award for fuckery.

[Statistical]

17. It can be a golden coat hanger. nt

[plimsoll]

33. That!

The yearly award from DU. But Sarandon isn’t really eligible. Like the World Cup, she won 2017 2108 and 2019. Retire that trophy,

It is a little tired at this point, but she is, and should be a solid reminder that politics is about the possible. As FDR said, “Make me do it.” She can’t, but she could help dissuade a reliably fanatic slice of the populace. Choose your allies and compromises or others will choose for you.

[sheshe2]

25. K&R

[KG]

28. I lulz'd

[PaulRevere08]

31. She is quite the example of privilege and narcissism.

[NurseJackie]

38. Here she is when asked if she'll vote for Trump instead of Hillary...

Chris Hayes asks Sarandon if she would vote for Trump if it came to a Trump vs. Clinton showdown in the general election. Sarandon acknowledges that, though Sanders would probably urge his supporters to vote for Clinton, a lot of Sanders supporters "just can't bring [themselves] to do that."



And neither could she. She's basically giving people "permission" to "follow their hearts" and NOT vote for the party's nominee. To, what? "Send a message"??

Sarandon more afraid of Hillary than a wall.


Where's this "revolution" you kept talking about, Susan?



All the way to the very end... she made a point of attending the DNC to pout and show her displeasure.

[Miigwech]

54. Very stupid woman and Jill Stein too, WTF were they thinking?

and bernie bros and the whole bunch that didn't show up and vote for Hillary in 16'. It was so disheartening that we had to fight our own to get them behind our ticket. Oh well, damage done but We must move on and fix it, that's all. JOE and KAMALA have a new message (sans susan)

[Stinky The Clown]

34. Indeed!

K&R

[Meowmee]

37. Extreme Narcissism and hypocrisy with no remorse

Hrc was “ very, very dangerous” in her words. What a stupid fool ss is, she has sacrificed nothing and has not suffered a bit. 230,000 or more dead, millions suffering and a country in ruins because of a FASCIST lunatic who she helped promote.

[tiredtoo]

42. When Bill Clinton was President

A group was created. The group called itself "Move On". To the best of my knowledge it is still active.

[NurseJackie]

47. Lulz!

[tiredtoo]

147. Personally Susan Sarandon's well being

Is near the bottom of my list of concerns. I prefer putting my efforts into winning in the future rather than rehashing the past. Some things we have to accept as inevitable and Move on.

[NurseJackie]

156. Nobody is rehashing the past. This is an object lesson. These are things we must remember...

Is near the bottom of my list of concerns.

I guess the sarcasm aspect of that meme was overlooked. Nobody is seriously concerned about her well-being. The point being made in that image is that it's EASY for people of substance and wealth to have the "luxury" of being able to "take a stand" and boast of their unwillingness to compromise... and to boast of how they wouldn't accept "half a loaf". She won't starve, she won't go homeless, she won't go without being able to have her kidneys enlarged... yet for all her vanity and ego, many many thousands of others will. And nearly a quarter million people will also be dead, who would have otherwise been alive.

I prefer putting my efforts into winning in the future rather than rehashing the past.

Nobody is rehashing the past. This is an object lesson. These are things we must remember so that we don't make the same mistakes in the future.

Some things we have to accept as inevitable and Move on.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. What, in your mind, is inevitable? That we'll do the same thing again? That we'll be deceived by Sarandon (or someone like her) again?

See, this is what I'm talking about. By talking about the past (and by publicly shaming those like Sarandon, and her supporters and her defenders) then such things will not be "inevitable" and they can instead be avoided. That's all I'm trying to say. Surely we can agree on that, can't we?

[tiredtoo]

194. we all know we lost in 2016

and we all know why we lost. Too many reasons to get into at this time. Do you really think we need more lessons in what went wrong? Are we that slow in learning? Sarandon and her loyal supporters will not be voting for Biden this year, let it go.

We have to accept the fact the republicans are electing that handmaid onto the supreme court as I write this. Get over it, move on!

I know democrats that voted for 45 last election. They wanted to "shake things up". Not the brightest democrats for sure but that's life.
Now I have to get back to my canvassing for votes, good bye.

[panfluteman]

44. Are There Any Reliable Statistics on How Many People Susan Sarandon Influenced

To either vote third party or sit out the 2016 election? I'm curious. Or perhaps Jill Stein could be another poster child for this sad and tragic day in American history.

[Voltaire2]

49. of course not she is just a convenient target for punching left.

The voters who switched from Obama to Trump are what cost Clinton the election.

And that shift was a global phenomena, repeated in other democracies, as right wing authoritarian populism became a dominating political force. But yeah, the problem is Sarandon.

"One of the most puzzling elements of the 2016 election, at least for a lot of Americans, was the millions of voters who switched from voting for Barack Obama in 2012 to Donald Trump in 2016. Somewhere between 6.7 million and 9.2 million Americans switched this way; given that the 2016 election was decided by 40,000 votes, it’s fair to say that Obama-Trump switchers were one of the key reasons that Hillary Clinton lost.

The existence of those voters has served as evidence that the most plausible explanation for what happened in 2016 — that Trump’s campaign tapped into the racism of white Americans to win pivotal states — is wrong. “How could white Americans who voted for a black president in the past be racist,” or so the thinking goes.

“Clinton suffered her biggest losses in the places where Obama was strongest among white voters. It’s not a simple racism story,” the New York Times’s Nate Cohn wrote on the night of the election. This typically segues into an argument that Trump won by tapping into economic, rather than racial, anxiety — anger about trade and the decline of manufacturing, or the fallout from the 2008 Great Recession."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/16/17980820/trump-obama-2016-race-racism-class-economy-2018-midterm

[progressoid]

126. This!

[honest.abe]

64. Impossible to put a firm number on it but I believe it was substantial.

She was on national media multiple times making the case that Hilary was the same or worse than Trump. That influenced many many people to think it wasnt worth the effort to vote. In critical swing states where Trump won by just a few thousand votes, that could have been the difference.

[oasis]

218. Sarandon diverted thousands of votes away from our Dem nominee.

She is as much responsible for Trump's election victory as any one of his paid campaign surrogates.

[Gothmog]

75. Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016.

Link to tweet

[Oneironaut]

46. And yet we still have Bernie-or-Busters who want Trump to win again.

That way, in their delusional minds, their “revolution” will happen. Therefore, it’s better in their minds to make conditions impossible for Socialists to win by electing Conservatives, which will somehow lead to there being more Socialists in the future.

Adults are thinking this way somehow.

[FreepFryer]

48. VERY FINE TRAITORS ON BOTH SIDES! A great post, thx NurseJackie! (Nt)

[ismnotwasm]

50. Not as easy to find the Sarandons of the world now is it?

Who they were/are how they feel. They are not gone. And, as is said, the internet is forever.

I do not forgive them, not because of political leanings, everyone has their right to those, but because we lost the Supreme Court. (And we know the Supreme Court was in play)

Well, unless they are young. I forgive youth and inexperience and passion, but not someone who should have known better.

[NurseJackie]

56. Some cannot resist the lure of flypaper...

Who they were/are how they feel. They are not gone. And, as is said, the internet is forever.

Her defenders and sympathizers are still out there. Some cannot resist the lure of flypaper, and they are easily drawn out of hiding.

Well, unless they are young.

That's not a good enough excuse for me. It's a reason, but not an excuse.

This day is our justification for expanding (reforming) the Supreme Court to 15 justices.

Keep hope alive.

[Paladin]

51. Amen. And save some scorn for Eddie Glaude Jr.

Glaude, Princeton professor, author and frequent cable TV commenter, made a huge, flashy show of proclaiming his intent to not vote for Hillary in 2016. To hell with him, Sarandon, and all the other turncoats who made this corrupt, disease-soaked nightmare happen.

[Gothmog]

76. I mute MSNBC when this Stein supporter is on

[OnDoutside]

100. Well said.

[mudstump]

53. Maybe it should be dedicated to RBG for not retiring when Obama was president...

[NurseJackie]

57. Lulz!

[honest.abe]

59. Good grief.

You should be banned for that comment.

[mudstump]

112. How very democratic of you.

[Gothmog]

63. After 2014, the GOP had a blocking position in the Senate

Clinton warned us of this and Sarandon decided to help trump get elected

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Voltaire2]

74. Obama tried to get RBG to retire in 2013 before the Senate takeover.

but that fact doesn't fit your argument, so feel free to discard it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/25/us/politics/rbg-retirement-obama.html

[honest.abe]

89. If this actually happened I am sure Obama completely understood why she didnt want to retire.

It is totally her decision and her right and no blame or evil can be put on her. That is ridiculous.

[Voltaire2]

91. it actually happened and of course Obama understood.

But he also understood what the risk was.

[honest.abe]

92. So we all should understand including you and others casting blame on an innocent person..

while ignoring those who are truly at fault.

[Autumn]

96. Truly at fault?

Blame Sarandon while ignoring Comey among many others. It seems Repukes always get a pass with some folks.

[honest.abe]

99. Of course there were many factors. We all know that!

Here's my list of the top five..

-- The Comey letter
-- Russian influence
-- Sanders not withdrawing when it was obvious he couldnt win
-- The media's obsession with Hillary's email server
-- Sarandon and Jill Stein types

Any one of those could have been the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Autumn]

101. I'm gonna call a crock of Bullshit on 3 and 5. There have been third party candidates in

presidential elections for years and only because of cheating in 2000 has it been a problem. And were it not for a corrupt supreme court THAT would not have mattered. And I love how people ignore the Russian meddling and give them a complete pass too, all while blaming ONE woman.

[honest.abe]

104. All 5 were factors.

[Autumn]

109. Like I said,it's funny how republican assholes get a pass on 16. EVERY time. On a Democratic site.

I used to wonder why they get that pass. But I don't wonder anymore.

[Meowmee]

168. It's not very funny how delusional narcissists like ss who have done their best to do harm

Get a pass from you and others on a regular basis on a democratic site

[Mariana]

211. I love how the actual Trump voters get exactly none of the blame!

No, it's entirely the fault of people who didn't vote for Trump. Someone even said outright in one of these threads some time back, "I don't blame Republican voters."

[Autumn]

259. Yeah I saw that. And that remark was no surprise to me, I've seen less praise and more complaints

about Republicans from actual Republicans.

[NurseJackie]

102. 3...

of those things.

[ismnotwasm]

204. Holy shit

The veil tears easily

[George II]

190. He had lunch with her. Period. Neither ever even hinted that it was about her retiring.

[Gothmog]

94. At that time, the filibuster rule applied to SCOTUS nominations

The GOP had a blocking position even then

[mudstump]

121. RBG gambled that she would live long enough for the next democratic president...she lost that bet.

Love and admire her, but she should have retired early in Pres. Obama's presidency.

[George II]

188. Nothing in that article or the link within that article says that Obama tried to get her to retire.

It speculates that it might have been the reason, but nothing concrete and neither Obama nor Ginsberg ever confirmed any of the speculation.

[George II]

65. Seriously?????

[melman]

66. +1

[Gothmog]

61. Hillary warned us that control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016

I will never forgive Sarandon

Link to tweet

?s=20

[mcar]

122. Nor all the so-called "progressives"

who insisted SCOTUS wasn't a big deal.

[Gothmog]

215. trump has appointed one-third of the SCOTUS

The SCOTUS was on the ballot on 2016 and we are now seeing the results of the arrogance of people like Sarandon and Stein.

[mcar]

256. That's right. Nt

[StevieM]

125. Ironically, her major speech on the subject was given in Wisconsin.

The media, when covering that story, has absolutely refused to acknowledge that.

[yaesu]

62. So, are we to give repuke governors a pass for throwing 100's of 1000's off voter rolls?

and dismiss Russia's cyber war of misinformation & casually forget the FBI fuckup? I bet if we look really, really close we can tie her to the JFK assassination too!

[miffelplix]

67. There is no difference between her and you. You're both trying to divide the coalition.

[George II]

136. What "coalition" are you speaking of?

[AmericanCanuck]

166. The Donald Trump-Jill Stein coalition?

[Gothmog]

216. I am also curious

Describe this coaliton

[vsrazdem]

68. Oh FFS, put it to rest already.

[Mike Niendorff]

78. EXACTLY.

How is this discussion even still happening?

Enough.


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[NurseJackie]

95. Never.

Oh FFS, put it to rest already.

Never. Not gonna happen.

[AmericanCanuck]

167. I think not.

People like Susan Sarandon and other purity obsessed people who vote against Democrats should be thoroughly discredited and marginalized.

[kcr]

222. Sorry. Get used to hearing it.

I know I count myself among those who will never forget. We aren't going anywhere.

[vsrazdem]

242. i prefer not to live in the past.

[NurseJackie]

266. LOL! Ridiculous! -- Nobody is doing that.

[vsrazdem]

268. LOL, good one.

[Texin]

70. It's too late now. Oh, I voted already, but it's too fucking late to fucking matter.

Except on principle. They've got their super majority on the Court now and a majority on federal benches, the majority of of them tRump appointees. If - and that's a big if - Joe manages to pull this off, the House remains in Democratic hands, and the most important senate can be won by the Dems too (and I believe all will agree that would be an extraordinary alignment of the stars to make it happen), maybe they could appoint additional justices to the SCOTUS. Maybe. But you know there's going to be at least one or two groups of rethugs that file state lawsuits in retug-run states to prevent it from happening and appeal, appeal up to the highest court in the land, where the rethugs will overturn the appointments and rule them unconstitutional (even though there is nothing to prohibit the Dems from having done so).

Young women of childbearing age (and their young daughters if they have them) need to be thinking in the next few days about taking permanent steps to have themselves voluntarily sterilized or it'll be back alley abortions with hangers all over again. Welcome back to the good old days before Roe v. Wade.

[not_the_one]

80. I'll forgive Susan Sarandon when she goes to Hillary and GROVELS, on her knees,

begging for Hillary's forgiveness.

She and Ralph Nader have earned their place in hell.

Besides, I can never watch Rocky Horror again. Now THAT is SAD. BIGLY.

[honest.abe]

90. That is was bugs me even more... she and others still wont fess up to their msitake.

Distressing.

[Sloumeau]

85. Hillary being a thousand times better than Trump wasn't good enough for Susan. Ugh! :) nt

[NurseJackie]

116. Sarandon preferred Trump's WALL over Hillary...

All this was about the IWR vote (Iraq War Resolution) that she HATED Hillary for. Yet, oddly enough, Sarandon was a BIG TIME supporter of John Edwards presidential campaign and he too was one of many who voted for the Iraq War Resolution (IWR). It didn't bother her then. But it's a convenient way for Sarandon to justify her irrational bitterness and hatred of Hillary.

All I'm saying is that Sarandon isn't fooling anyone. We all know the REAL reason she allowed her resentment to bubble to the surface, and the REAL reason she wanted "revenge" on Hillary. It had nothing to do with IWR, and I'll just leave it at that.

[Mariana]

87. There's plenty of blame to go around.

The majority of white people voted for Trump.
The majority of men voted for Trump.
The majority of seniors voted for Trump.
The majority of Christians voted for Trump.

None of these should be deprived of their fair share of the credit for this.

[betsuni]

97. K&R

[calimary]

98. Never buying ANYTHING you're selling, Susan. Never again.

I loved “Thelma and Louise”. And that’s about where it stopped. As I began to learn more about her “slash ‘n’ burn” “philosophy” and her efforts to nullify our side and keep us down, that totally soured. She seems to love being a contrarian and a spoiler, which does nobody any good except the bad guys.

I hope she isn’t getting much work anymore. She’s “box office poison” to me.

[JonLP24]

108. If it makes people feel better to scapegoat Surandon go ahead

The hate is so bizarre to me.

[AmericanCanuck]

164. It is not scapegoating

The shoe fits

[progressoid]

110. Oh, the all powerfull Susan Sarandon returns!

[NurseJackie]

111. It's a very special day in her highly touted "destroy it to rebuild it" philosophy...

Oh, the all powerfull Susan Sarandon returns!

And her sympathizers and defenders are all over the internet today still singing her praises. It's a very special day in her highly touted "destroy it to rebuild it" philosophy, after all.

All I'm trying to say is that we should all be willing to give credit where credit is due.

[progressoid]

115. "And her sympathizers and defenders"

How many is that exactly? Is she trending somewhere other than DU?

I checked Google news and their main story about her is that her NYC duplex sold quickly for 7.9 million.

[NurseJackie]

117. Lulz!

[progressoid]

119. Soooo, what does that mean?

[George II]

132. "..her NYC duplex sold quickly for 7.9 million." In other words she's not one of the Americans....

....who is suffering, worrying about how to pay the rent, buy food, clothe children, etc. - Americans who are suffering because trump was elected, the candidate that she wanted to be elected.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/26/susan-sarandon-i-thought-hillary-was-very-dangerous-if-shed-won-wed-be-at-war

Susan Sarandon: ‘I thought Hillary was very dangerous. If she'd won, we'd be at war’

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/susan-sarandon-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html

Susan Sarandon: Trump more likely to bring 'revolution' than Clinton

....and many more.

She is responsible, in part (IN PART!) for trump being in office and Americans are suffering.

By the way, she thought we'd be at war if Clinton was elected? We ARE at war, and more Americans have died in the last eight months than in World War I, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, The war in Afghanistan, BOTH Gulf wars vs. Iraq, even the September 11 attacks. It's very possible that when Biden takes office the number of Americans who have lost their lives might even approach those who died in WWII.

But not her and not any of her children.

It must be great living in an $8 million dollar home while everyone around her is suffering.

[progressoid]

139. I'm not defending her weath.

I was pointing out that she's not newsworthy anymore...except within the minds of some DUers who can't seem to stop picking that scab.

[George II]

142. As long as trump is in office, tens of millions of people are out of work, hundreds of thousands...

...of Americans are dying and small businesses are failing, the reasons for all of that remains newsworthy. She, among other factors, is one of those reasons.

And she's still attacking the Democratic Party.

[progressoid]

144. "among other factors"

Among other much more relevant factors. The media, Comey, the media, Russia, Wikileaks, sexism, the media, etc.

I think Hillary wrote a book about it. https://www.axios.com/16-things-hillary-clinton-blames-for-her-election-loss-1513305545-cf6505a6-76a8-49a0-989a-1be67190d4ed.html

[George II]

146. When the presidency was decided by a mere 77,000 of 129,000,000 votes, EVERY factor is relevant.

[progressoid]

154. But only one factor is worth harping on

SUSAN SARANDON!!!

[NurseJackie]

157. Aw.

[progressoid]

183. Ouch.

I am slain by your cogent response.

[Gothmog]

217. There are a large number of real democrats who will not forgive or forget this idiot

You are welcome to defend her if you wish

[kcr]

223. Along with the ignorant assholes who defend her.

[mcar]

114. And to every other

"progressive" who voted 3rd party or write in.

[NurseJackie]

120. Sarandon gave them permission to do so. She encouraged it with her lies about...

... how "both parties are the same" and "Hillary is just as bad as Trump". She knew exactly what she was doing and what the consequences would be.

What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[mcar]

123. That is correct

[Autumn]

161. She gave them permission??? She's a damn powerful woman then,

maybe she should run for office.

[NurseJackie]

170. Absolutely she did!

She gave them permission???

Absolutely she did! You know perfectly well that when someone like her uses her "fame" and position to influence people in a way that benefits Trump (and harms the Democrats) we needs to be asking: What useful purpose does it serve?

It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

That's exactly what she did. It's really a shame to see people defending that treachery.

maybe she should run for office.

Heaven help us all.

[Autumn]

173. Yeah sure, permission

permission. This is America, people don't need permission from some celebrity to vote for the person they feel represents them. It's a right.

That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. Thanks for the laugh.

[NurseJackie]

176. You're welcome.

Thanks for the laugh.

You're welcome.

[betsuni]

195. She is also an activist who was a surrogate for Nader, John Edwards, Bernie Sanders.

Like Jane Fonda, her political activism receives publicity and can influence people with similar causes and interests. Jane Fonda canvased door to door for Hillary, is seen protesting quite often. Sarandon was interviewed many times on tv and in print going way beyond "both sides" to scaring people that Hillary was worse than Trump and would immediately cause the country to go to war. That's not funny.

[Autumn]

258. That's a fact, a laughing GIF or nasty snark when one can't come up with a reply to what is posted.

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I find that hilarious, so yes I had to laugh. And you had no comment on what I said Bannon. So...

[AmericanCanuck]

169. Absolutely correct

A lot of Sanders' supporters took their cues from her.

This thread is eye-opening as one looks at who is supporting the OP and who is opposing it.

[NurseJackie]

174. You are so correct in that assessment.

This thread is eye-opening as one looks at who is supporting the OP and who is opposing it.

Except for the MIA individuals (who have been fairly quiet since the DNC anyway) I must confess that I'm not at all surprised. Some things never change, no matter what the cost.

A lot of Sanders' supporters took their cues from her.

Even Jane got in on the action on election day and tweeted her support for someone who "couldn't vote for Hillary". In Jane's view, it didn't matter who they voted for, as long as they voted. --- What complete nonsense! I think we can all agree that it REALLY DOES matter who people vote for.

All I'm trying to say is that we have a de facto two-party system in the United States. Only ONE of TWO individuals has any chance of becoming the President. Any vote that doesn't benefit the Democrat will benefit the Republican. That's just a mathematical fact. Jane knows that, and so does Sarandon.

It makes me sick.

[AmericanCanuck]

179. I'd vote for even a conservative Democrat over any Republican.

Even Joe Manchin is better than anyone they put up.

[NurseJackie]

180. As ambivalent as I feel about him...

... he's a "warm body" that puts us one seat closer to having a majority in the Senate. Without him, we'd need TWO new seats just to make up for his loss.

[Mariana]

207. The overwhelming majority of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton. nt.

[AmericanCanuck]

251. All it takes is to shave off a few in swing states

But you knew that. Susan Sarandon, David Sirota, Nina Turner et al succeeded in doing just that, ostensibly to give someone a second shot at running.

[Blue Owl]

131. Susan Sarandon's Own Private Handmaid

n/t

[AlexSFCA]

135. If trump loses and dems take senate, thomas will likely retire

to ensure, he is replaced by a younger copycat, before January. Plenty of time. That will make it 4 justices nominated by trump as predicted by Hillary.
Every single dem congress legislation and EO can be blocked by SC before taking effect. SC reform (adding seats) may be the only remedy.
No matter what you say about trump, his judiciary legacy will be celebrated by conservatives for decades. Don’t think he will be forgotten or dismissed by GOP anytime soon.

[NurseJackie]

137. You're correct... adding SIX seats (total of 15) is the only remedy. And we will be justified...

You're correct... adding SIX seats (total of 15) is the only remedy. And we will be justified in doing so.

[AlexSFCA]

138. doesn have to be 6, 2 will do (11 total).

Biden said he is not opposed to it, in fact he said he will create a bipartisan commission to come up with recommendation. Court reform is not the same as court packing.

[NurseJackie]

140. Louder, please!!

Court reform is not the same as court packing.

Louder, please!!

Yes... we'll need to repeat this often!

[AmericanCanuck]

171. Yes -- 6 or 8 new seats minimum.

UNPACK the court.

[R B Garr]

145. Amen. She owns this. I'm still waiting for the

explanations and full understanding of the damage this caused.

[brooklynite]

150. You're COMPLETELY wrong!

Don't you realize that the corporatist rulings of Justice Barrett are going to lead The Masses (™) to rise up and bring forth the Glorious Socialist Revolution (™)? It's simple logic!

[NurseJackie]

158. I know, right?

[Ron Green]

159. I don't post here very much any more, but occasionally I stop by to read - and stumble onto

a post like this. God, I hate this stuff.

[liskddksil]

165. I'm sure you all are equally mad at Mike Bloomberg for helping put the deciding votes in the Senate

with his Republican endorsements of Pat Toomey, Susan Collins and others in the past, right?

[AmericanCanuck]

172. Whataboutism.

[liskddksil]

181. Not at all. Just stating how we got here. You can rightfully be mad at those who stayed home or vote

3rd party in 2016, but you also need to acknowledge that there were lots of mistakes from our leaders that got us to this point.

[NurseJackie]

178. Looks like you've got that covered pretty well all on your own. Thanks!

[George II]

192. We're discussing reasons for why trump was elected. Bloomberg endorsed Hillary Clinton and even....

....spoke at the 2016 Democratic National Convention. He has nothing to do with Clinton losing.

[JI7]

196. Sarandon Supported John Edwards who Cosponsered the IWR

so her attacking Hillary on war is BS.

It shows what a fraud she is.

[betsuni]

226. This is very important, destroys "authentic" and "voting with my conscience" and

"speaking truth to power" and "holding feet to the fire" bullshit.

[NurseJackie]

237. Sarandon is a fraud. She sees herself as an activist, but she's a fucking fraud.

That is all.

[Trumpocalypse]

200. What's sad is the comments responding

where many people are just blaming democrats.

[Gothmog]

209. The Sarandon Court must not stand.

Link to tweet

[Tarheel_Dem]

224. I was fairly indifferent to SS before, I now despise her.

[JI7]

225. Susan Sarandon probably Voted for Trump

[NurseJackie]

235. She wanted a "revolution"... I would not doubt it at all.

She even calls it "the revolution" as if it's something that's ordained and inevitable. She's a "True Believer" and "Evangelical" who sees this "Revolution" as requiring an "End Times" event and total destruction in order to spark the flames.

How lucky for her that she's rich enough to be able to have the luxury of watching the world crumble around her while people starve, get sick, die, lose their jobs, lose their homes. No compromise for her. It's all or nothing, no matter who suffers in the process.

[herding cats]

227. Lessons need to be learned.

Pretending things come without a price was trendy in 2016. Sadly, the price of this particular lesson cost us all dearly. For the entire next generation.

Look it up, in 2015 when people were arguing here about internal bullshit, I was arguing judges. Including the Supreme Court. Some people were played. Just like I warned they were being played. Now all the courts are well and truly packed with RW extremists.

It sucks to be all of us now for the next generation. Luckily, I'll die within the next 30 or so years. My suffering won't be as long as some younger than myself.

[NurseJackie]

231. And still more EXCUSES to be made. I'm truly amazed at how many Sarandon Sympathizers there are...

... still making excuses for her treachery and the voters that she influenced and gave cover to.

Luckily, I'll die within the next 30 or so years. My suffering won't be as long as some younger than myself.

I share that highly cynical viewpoint. Only, my number is (statistically) less than 15-20 years.

Still, even though there's no satisfaction in being able to say "WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO"... it's a message that must be repeated often if the lessons are to actually be learned.

[herding cats]

232. I just want to hear their plan to fix what's been broken.

The idealist need to speak to me in plain English what their plan is to fix this mess we're in now No drama. No faked bullshit. Be straight with me and explain the long term plan to mitigate this disaster. How do they plan to navigate the now stuffed courts on all levels?

I'm all ears here. Talk to me!

They can't blame this being broken on Democratic stalwarts, so... I'm listening for their actual plans to fix things from here forward. Since that's all we have now.

[NurseJackie]

233. I think it goes something like this...

I think it goes something like this... "Step One: Revolution" (or something).

Step Two: Destroy (punish?) the Democratic Party (to rebuild?). --- When only perfection will do, there's no need in fixing your home's leaky faucet or squeaky floorboard. Instead... BURN IT TO THE GROUND and start over from scratch. (or something).

Step Three: Never Compromise (even in the name of progress in the "all or nothing" philosophy, getting absolutely NOTHING is a point of pride and always better than compromise and getting half a loaf. Better to be hungry and miserable (for motivation?) than to do anything that would help the lives of the most vulnerable among us.

The idealist need to speak to me in plain English

I hear ya!

I'll forever pin this nomination on Sarandon and those like her... as well as her defenders and other assorted "excuse-makers" and secret Stein-voters. The treachery and consequences of their actions and sympathies have been revealed. I know where they stand and I have nothing but the greatest contempt for Sarandon and those who stand with her.

[Gothmog]

272. This revolution has been disappointing

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

230. Ironic: one of reasons people like Sarandon hated Hillary is her imaginary plot to frack everything.

Now Joe Biden is being attacked for stopping fracking.

[NurseJackie]

234. Sarandon also hated Hillary for her IWR vote. Yet Sarandon was a BIG FAN of John Edwards...

Sarandon also hated Hillary for her IWR vote. Yet Sarandon was a BIG FAN of John Edwards in his presidential run... and he also voted for the IWR. Allow me to shout and be very clear: JOHN EDWARDS ALSO VOTED FOR IWR AND SARANDON DID NOT CARE. Sarandon is a hypocrite. Sarandon is a fucking liar, but her loud voice was enough to convince others of the lies, or create doubts, and she gave permission and cover for others to not vote (or "protest vote&quot .

What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

I'll never forgive, forget, "move-on" or "get-over" her treachery and her treacherous influence on others. I will always have the greatest contempt for her, the Stein voters that she encouraged, the doubters that she spoon-fed with lies and negativity. I feel the same way about those who (to this day, and knowing all we know) continue to defend and excuse her. It's disgusting behavior. It's not difficult to see when like-minded folks gather together in a common-cause or belief.

[betsuni]

238. Yes. Double standard weathervane, and for what.

The big revolution she wanted with Trump's election turned out to be that more Americans voted.

[NurseJackie]

239. Pride? Vanity? Ego? Hurt feelings? Stubbornness? Power? Fame?

It's a treachery that I'll never forget, nor will I forgive. I have nothing but the greatest contempt for that stupid stupid woman. I feel the same way about her defenders and other assorted excuse makers... or anyone who gave "cover" and validation for anyone who did not support our party's nominee. (There was a Twitter user named Jane who tweeted on election day that it didn't matter WHO you voted for, as long as you voted. How stupid. I'll never forget that. Of course is matters!)

This is ALL on them.

[betsuni]

244. Stupidity.

That message of "It doesn't matter who you voted for as long as you voted" was massively stupid.

[NurseJackie]

255. Massively stupid, indeed. That twitter user...

That message of "It doesn't matter who you voted for as long as you voted" was massively stupid.

Massively stupid, indeed. That twitter user, Jane, was obviously a very bitter person.

[NurseJackie]

257. Some that I expected are absent (and have been for a while now anyway) and there are some...

Some that I expected are absent (and have been for a while now anyway) and there are some who always turn up no matter what the weather. And then, there are a couple of unexpected surprises. My opinion-of, respect for, and regard for those new Sarandon defenders has been diminished. I'll never see them the same way again. (Not that they care... but it's just interesting to note anyway.)

[oasis]

260. Susan S will never live this down......kick.

[NurseJackie]

262. Until the day she dies (and beyond) people will scorn her for her part in all of this.

I, for one, will not shed a tear when she kicks the bucket.

[oasis]

270. Any future Oscars are out of the question. She's radioactive. nt

[Gothmog]

271. Sarandn and Stein voters-THIS IS ALL ON YOU

Link to tweet