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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:02 PM Oct 2020

Judge imposes sweeping order to ensure ballots are delivered on time despite Trump's USPS slowdown:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/judge-imposes-sweeping-order-to-ensure-ballots-are-delivered-on-time-despite-trumps-usps-slowdown-report/

The politics surround the United States Postal Service during the COVID-19 pandemic continued on Tuesday.

“United States Postal Service leadership received a sweeping set of orders from a federal judge on Tuesday, laying out ways the Postal Service must make sure ballots are delivered quickly because of the ongoing election and absentee voting deadlines,” CNN reported Tuesday. “One week ahead of Election Day, udge Emmet Sullivan of the DC District Court told the Postal Service to inform its employees that late delivery trips are allowed and the delivery of ballots by state elections deadlines is important.

More at link.

Ty, Judge Sullivan!
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Judge imposes sweeping order to ensure ballots are delivered on time despite Trump's USPS slowdown: (Original Post) SheltieLover Oct 2020 OP
Love Judge Sullivan Nevilledog Oct 2020 #1
When I read the name, Emmet Sullivan - I said the same thing liberalla Oct 2020 #2
The entire White House must hate that man by now lol!! Volaris Oct 2020 #18
Well, the article goes on to say SheltieLover Oct 2020 #3
Nice! soothsayer Oct 2020 #4
Ikr? SheltieLover Oct 2020 #5
Regardless I would encourage folks to stop putting their ballot in the mail Tom Rivers Oct 2020 #6
I believe some states require the ballots be mailed. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #12
Yup, TN is one of them. SheltieLover Oct 2020 #13
Agree, don't know why any Dem voter would use mail-in radius777 Oct 2020 #19
That's assuming you live in a state that has authorized drop-boxes, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2020 #22
What if the USPS ignores the orders? What happens? triron Oct 2020 #7
Susan Collins Mr.Bill Oct 2020 #8
Who is going to enforce it? The USPS has so far mainly ignored all the other court orders. scarletwoman Oct 2020 #9
NOBODY......Instead of enforcing this ruling our esteemed AG will go to bat for the defendants. groundloop Oct 2020 #11
Will the new SC find it unconstitutional? Crunchy Frog Oct 2020 #10
K AND R and yuiyoshida Oct 2020 #14
Here's the order from Courtlistener. pnwmom Oct 2020 #15
Thankfully. BobTheSubgenius Oct 2020 #16
No one should be mailing in ballots this late BainsBane Oct 2020 #17
Yes, Mahalo, Judge Emmet Sullivan! Cha Oct 2020 #20
Who's going to enforce compliance? Duppers Oct 2020 #21
K&R Blue Owl Oct 2020 #23

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
3. Well, the article goes on to say
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:15 PM
Oct 2020

That USPS must appear in court daily with updates.

I love Judge Sullivan, too!

Not sure why it is so difficult to copy from RS site.

Tom Rivers

(459 posts)
6. Regardless I would encourage folks to stop putting their ballot in the mail
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 09:47 PM
Oct 2020

Eric Holder and other Democratic leaders agree.

At this stage in the game the mail is too unreliable especially in the swing states, it's time for hand delivery in-person at a clerks office or certified drop box location, or vote in-person early or on Election Day.

I think some have been too naive and not alarmist enough, I never trusted the mail for ballot return after DeJoy and Don Con waged war on it. My mom and I hand delivered ours and my dads last week in a drop box in our county clerks office because of the intentional slowdown. Rachel is going on tonight that only half of the requested ballots have been returned thus far in a bunch of swing states. I truly don't get it, there's no excuse for this. Democratic Party leaders in the big cities in those states need to put together an unreturned ballot tracing operation starting tomorrow morning if they haven't already.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,908 posts)
12. I believe some states require the ballots be mailed.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 10:51 PM
Oct 2020

No drop boxes, no taking them to a voting site.

Each state is different.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
19. Agree, don't know why any Dem voter would use mail-in
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 01:36 AM
Oct 2020

in this environment. Trump/Dejoy have knee-capped the Postal Service to ensure late delivery, while the GOP is in the court to disallow late arriving ballots, as well as to find more ways to disqualify the ballot (signature, witness, 'naked' ballot, etc). Some states have outsourced the printing of the mail-in ballots and there have been reports of the ballots having errors (name wrong, proper instructions not included, etc).

The best bet for any voter who is able bodied is to mask up and vote in person, as most states have early voting.

If one already has a mail-in ballot, they should double check it to make sure all info on the ballot is correct, and instructions are followed exactly, and that it is placed in an authorized drop-box or delivered directly to the county board of elections office.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,908 posts)
22. That's assuming you live in a state that has authorized drop-boxes,
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 12:05 PM
Oct 2020

or will accept them at the county board of elections office. Not all states do.

pnwmom

(109,001 posts)
15. Here's the order from Courtlistener.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:33 PM
Oct 2020

MINUTE ORDER granting emergency motion to enforce and monitor compliance with preliminary injunction. It is hereby ORDERED that by no later than 9:00 AM on October 28, 2020, Defendants shall issue a one-page notice to Area Vice Presidents, Managers of Operations Support, and any other United States Postal Service "USPS" personnel who were previously informed about the guidelines issued on July 14, 2020, by USPS Vice President of Logistics, Robert Cintron, regarding the use of late and extra trips: (1) "The guidelines issued on July 14, 2020, by USPS Vice President of Logistics, Robert Cintron, regarding the use of late and extra trips are rescinded;" and (2) USPS personnel are instructed to perform late and extra trips to the maximum extent necessary to increase on-time mail deliveries, particularly for Election Mail. To be clear, late and extra trips should be performed to the same or greater degree than they were performed prior to July 2020 when doing so would increase on-time mail deliveries. Any prior communication that is inconsistent with this instruction should be disregarded." It is FURTHER ORDERED that by no later than 9:00 AM on October 29, 2020, Defendants shall issue a one-page notice to, or deliver a Stand-Up Talk to, all USPS personnel who may have job responsibilities related in any way to late and extra trips, stating that: "Late and extra trips will be approved to the maximum extent necessary to increase on-time mail deliveries, particularly for Election Mail. Any prior communication that is inconsistent with this should be disregarded. To be clear, late and extra trips will be approved to the same or greater degree than they were performed prior to July 2020 when doing so would increase on-time mail deliveries." It is FURTHER ORDERED that by no later than 9:00 AM on October 29, 2020, Defendants shall distribute, in the same form and to the same individuals who were previously advised about the need to "ensure that completed ballots reach the appropriate election official by the state's designated deadline," a list of state-specific statutory ballot receipt deadlines, so that USPS managers and employees can implement the Election Mail guidance that Defendants have recently issued. The parties shall confer and agree on the form and substance of the list. It is FURTHER ORDERED that beginning October 28, 2020 and until further order of the Court, Defendants shall file with the Court by 10:00 AM each day: (1) updated data on the number of extra and late trips performed the preceding day, at the Nation, Area, and District level, including any available data that is specific to Election Mail, to the maximum extent feasible; (2) updated data on the percentage of on-time deliveries at the Nation, Area, and District level, including any available data that is specific to Election Mail to the maximum extent feasible; and (3) any other reports generated after the date of this Order and produced to Congress, other courts, or other litigants. It is FURTHER ORDERED that beginning October 28, 2020 and until further order of the Court, the Court schedules a daily status conference at 3:00 PM via VIDEO TELECONFERENCE. The parties shall contact Mr. Mark Coates, the Courtroom Deputy Clerk, for the dial-in information. Signed by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan on 10/27/2020. (lcegs3)

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17461792/national-association-for-the-advancement-of-colored-people-v-united-states/

BobTheSubgenius

(11,572 posts)
16. Thankfully.
Tue Oct 27, 2020, 11:59 PM
Oct 2020

Thankfully, there are still people in power with integrity and propriety. I don't know anything about this judge's politics, but, at the very least, he puts country ahead of anything else.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
21. Who's going to enforce compliance?
Wed Oct 28, 2020, 03:34 AM
Oct 2020

Just asking because these are Republicans who have ignored court orders before.

I do not trust these treasonous assholes at all.

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