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(2,406 posts)
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 12:33 AM Nov 2020

Kendall Kaut: Why Biden is Going to Win

Why Biden is Going to Win

By Kendall Kaut

We’re three days from the election, and Joe Biden is going to win. I can hedge and say “Well, we could have a catastrophic polling error,” or “Trump is going to steal the election.” I don’t see either happening. Biden has led since March, and before most of you wake up on November 4th, Biden will be president-elect.

Trump faces too devastating a situation to win. If he wins, the entire polling industry, and quite possibly empiricism itself, would be in a nearly unfathomable crisis.

The easiest explanation is that Trump barely beat a terrible candidate in 2016. Trump is less popular than he was in 2016, Biden is more popular than Clinton, and the electorate is less hospitable to Trump than it was in 2016.

[A good analysis. Read the rest here: Article]

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Kendall Kaut: Why Biden is Going to Win (Original Post) nsd Nov 2020 OP
Ordinarily, I suspect polling works pretty well-- the poll business has learned a lot since... TreasonousBastard Nov 2020 #1
I've read Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #2
FANTASTIC piece! Must read and share. Thanks! writes3000 Nov 2020 #3
Great article! MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #4
Hillary was NOT a terrible candidate Skittles Nov 2020 #5
yup, the shit she faced for decades. Imagine anyone else dealing JI7 Nov 2020 #7
Yeah. Simply calling her a terrible candidate is perpetuating the thirty years of gross defamation Aristus Nov 2020 #8
People just have to use her as example don't they? onetexan Nov 2020 #11
Sorry, but no... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #13
nope Skittles Nov 2020 #19
She was also competitive in the Primary against Obama who most would consider JI7 Nov 2020 #21
+1. Her favorability ratings were a massive alarm bell that was never acknowledged Arazi Nov 2020 #24
I'd put her on the Supreme Court just to piss the haters off calimary Nov 2020 #16
I would LOVE it if Hillary was given this job... jmowreader Nov 2020 #17
That would be awesome! Lol! ecstatic Nov 2020 #25
Exactly! 2Legit Nov 2020 #10
THIS, DAMMIT!!! calimary Nov 2020 #14
Amen to that DFW Nov 2020 #20
I will add another THIS, DAMMIT!! brer cat Nov 2020 #27
K & R DLCWIdem Nov 2020 #6
I agree with Skittles. love_katz Nov 2020 #9
Excellent article, he covers everything. radius777 Nov 2020 #12
K&R smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #15
Hillary was awesome, and that was her undoing. ucrdem Nov 2020 #18
Hillary or Obama either one could be our Rep in the UN Captain Zero Nov 2020 #22
Hillary would be a GREAT UN rep! ucrdem Nov 2020 #23
Recommended Arazi Nov 2020 #26
K&R. dchill Nov 2020 #28
K&R Blue Owl Nov 2020 #29

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. Ordinarily, I suspect polling works pretty well-- the poll business has learned a lot since...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 12:50 AM
Nov 2020

"Dewey Beats Truman".

But these are not ordinary times and we haven't seen such bitterness since... Shit we haven't seen such bitterness and hatred. I suspect a LOT of people aren't being truthful to polltakers. With the attitudes out there, you could be risking a lot answering truthfully.

If almost half of the country is actually behind such a colossal failure as Trump, this country is doomed and no longer any decent place to live. I find that difficult to believe, though. The flag waving Trumpons are out there, but I think (hope?) their noise is far greater than their numbers or effectiveness. If they actually use those guns they love, however, all bets are off, and stunts like following the Biden bus are terrifying. I don't think that's ever happened before.

So, for the next two days I live in hope that there are secret Biden voters out there. Lots of them.

Turin_C3PO

(13,998 posts)
2. I've read
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 12:54 AM
Nov 2020

a couple of articles saying that the “secret Trump voters“ don’t exist in any significant way (sorry, no link). It’s Republican wishful thinking.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
5. Hillary was NOT a terrible candidate
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 01:34 AM
Nov 2020

she won the popular vote by MILLIONS and would be president now if Trump had not received help from Russia and the FBI

JI7

(89,250 posts)
7. yup, the shit she faced for decades. Imagine anyone else dealing
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 01:51 AM
Nov 2020

with that. So fucking tired of the attacks.

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
8. Yeah. Simply calling her a terrible candidate is perpetuating the thirty years of gross defamation
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 01:55 AM
Nov 2020

she had to deal with her entire adult life.

I wish her a happy retirement. But all the same, I wish Joe Biden would appoint her to a very important post from which she can wreak vengeance for such filthy treatment.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
13. Sorry, but no...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:08 AM
Nov 2020

He's not saying Hillary Clinton was a terrible person, or a terrible policymaker, or a terrible diplomat. He's saying she was a terrible candidate. Not everyone who's excellent at statescraft is excellent at convincing voters to elect them.

Yes, a lot of it has to do with the fact that she'd been singled out as the subject of almost three straight decades of calumny from the Republican Noise Machine. And, yes, that was totally unfair! But, as Bill notably said back in his time in the White House, "life isn't fair." It should be obvious to anyone who has followed U.S. politics over the past half-century or more that few things are more common than a nominee who would make an excellent president falling short because "the other guy seemed like the type I'd like to have a beer with." And, frankly, it's a death wish to run a nominee who is underwater in favorability ratings (even against an opponent who is a bit worse in that regard) when the demographics of the Electoral College dictate that a Democrat not only has to win by a little, but has to win by a lot in order to offset the advantage it gives to one's opponent.

It's not "defamation" to say that Hillary Clinton's skills in politics were nowhere near as good as her skills in governing would have been. It's why Al Gore, John Kerry, Michael Dukakis...hell, even Adlai Stevenson (twice!) failed to become president, while Bill Clinton did. And, yes, it speaks badly to the American electorate...but, if you expect to enact positive change for the American people, you better find a way to deal with that issue right up front.

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
19. nope
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:21 AM
Nov 2020

those other candidates did not have Russia and the FBI against them

if she was a terrible candidate, she would have lost the popular vote too

and those others also did not have to deal with SEXISM

JI7

(89,250 posts)
21. She was also competitive in the Primary against Obama who most would consider
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 04:57 AM
Nov 2020

the greatest candidate/campaigner . He would have had no real competition other than her .

calimary

(81,298 posts)
16. I'd put her on the Supreme Court just to piss the haters off
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:28 AM
Nov 2020

Only problem with that is I wish she were younger. I’d want her in there, pissing them off, and totally untouchable, for the rest of her hopefully long life.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
17. I would LOVE it if Hillary was given this job...
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:32 AM
Nov 2020

Special Prosecutor in charge of investigating the Trump regime.

Trump won election in part because he said he was going to put Hillary Clinton in prison. It would be especially delicious if Hillary Clinton was the one to put Donald Trump in prison.

ecstatic

(32,705 posts)
25. That would be awesome! Lol!
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:14 AM
Nov 2020

But I can just hear our temporary allies (never trumpers like Joe Scarborough) raising hell about the optics.

2Legit

(90 posts)
10. Exactly!
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 01:57 AM
Nov 2020

All of the Hillary hating really baffles and irks me. That being said, I'd enjoy the fact that she is sitting back reminding people that she told us so, except that we've lived through this nightmare for four years. She told us what the real deal was and 80K people in Michigan and Wisconsin decided not to listen. She went on to live her best life and we were stuck with a megalomaniac who happens to be an everyday sadist.

calimary

(81,298 posts)
14. THIS, DAMMIT!!!
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:25 AM
Nov 2020

I am BEYOND sick of the dump-on-Hillary. SICK of it. The bad guys have been smearing her nonstop since 1992. And I have hated every minute of it.

love_katz

(2,579 posts)
9. I agree with Skittles.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 01:56 AM
Nov 2020

Hillary was not a terrible candidate. She was targeted by a hate-filled disinformation campaign, aided and abetted by misogyny. Agolf Twitler and his supporters have made the existence of a high level of misogyny and bigotry in this country painfully visible. Proof of this is the very mean and septic preprogrammed bot who has been rammed onto the Supreme Court. The problems in this country are bigger than Trump. We have a long fight ahead of us. Getting our Dem candidates elected, at all levels of government, is just the start.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
12. Excellent article, he covers everything.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 02:16 AM
Nov 2020

Wasserman's analysis regarding the district level polling is encouraging, and he also sees a blue shift in the Sun Belt so that even if something weird happens in one of the Rust Belt states we likely will win one or more of AZ/GA/NC.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
18. Hillary was awesome, and that was her undoing.
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 03:41 AM
Nov 2020

She let the Vermont guy hang around like a bad penny where a less thoughtful candidate would have delivered a coup de grâce in February and gotten him off her back. She told the truth where others would have lied. But mainly she threatened a lot of guys who didn't like the idea of a super-smart lady boss.

That aside, I agree, it's been over for awhile. Nevertheless I am keeping fingers and toes crossed until we get safely to Nov 4.


ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
23. Hillary would be a GREAT UN rep!
Sun Nov 1, 2020, 06:03 AM
Nov 2020

Barack too, though it would be unusual for an ex-pres to re-enter govt, and he's earned his retirement. But this is an emergency and either would tell the world the US is back in the business of leading by example. And the world would breathe a yuuuuge sigh of relief.

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