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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe will win tonight, but I'll tell you this....
I will NEVER believe another jive-ass political poll again. I said the same thing after 2016, but I hoped this time would be different.
How could people be this shitty at their jobs and still draw paychecks?
Turin_C3PO
(14,083 posts)the polls showing us with a good lead. I was wrong.
pnwmom
(108,999 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Probably going to be 3-5%
Turin_C3PO
(14,083 posts)But in some of the states that went Trump, it appears that the polls were pretty wrong.
PTWB
(4,131 posts)I believed them.
I wont believe them again until they nail several cycles in a row and can prove theyre consistently accurate.
It all sounded so convincing. Then again, isn't that what crooked car mechanics always say to angry customers who bring their cars back to them after the first round of failed "repairs"?
"We're sorry. We found what the problem really was and have fixed it"....and then your muffler falls off on the I-95.
Screw them!
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)No more.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)Not sure what more we could have done.
The country is completely divided. There is no other take away.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)Blasphemer
(3,261 posts)and they likely made the Biden camp focus on states they shouldn't have. We just need to go back to Dean's 50 state strategy and screw the polls.
barbtries
(28,811 posts)50 states. concede NOTHING.
or 52, after DC and PR get statehood.
Thekaspervote
(32,800 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,023 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)Its weird....
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)NoRoadUntravelled
(2,626 posts)Otherwise they're pretty useless.
blm
(113,101 posts)Russian vote changing.
still_one
(92,432 posts)numbers they do not recognize, and those that do, skew the polls
bamagal62
(3,270 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)All it takes is an enthusiasm advantage changing % of people showing up at the polls/actually voting.
Trumps people are fucking frothing at the mouth to support this guy.
Quixote1818
(28,979 posts)FL, NC, GA were all razor thin and Trump winning those is inside the margin of error.
Statistical
(19,264 posts)Polls showed Biden up an average of 3 pts in FL. Within MOE would be Trump winning by one not three. Trump winning by 3 possibly 3.5 is a 6 to 6.5 underperformance. That isn't MOE that is a bad poll and there wasn't one there were dozens.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,800 posts)elleng
(131,163 posts)Human-nature causes 'gamblers' to keep their jobs.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)The polls changed dramatically at the end of the 2016 election.
James Comey turned the election upside down, with a good assist from Vladimir Putin.
Meadowoak
(5,562 posts)crimycarny
(1,351 posts)There is just NO WAY the turnout is so high in voters who plan to vote for Biden but Trump wins. Vote flipping is happening. I want manual recounts in every close state.
mucifer
(23,572 posts)joshcryer
(62,277 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Oh, I know what you mean
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)Cuz... things are tense.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)samnsara
(17,650 posts)Windy City Charlie
(1,178 posts)The problem is not many trust the pollsters as it is....so one of two things happen that throw it off so much. #1, a lot of people don't participate in the polling, and #2 the people that do participate in the polling, get their kicks out of lying to the pollsters.
Captain Zero
(6,831 posts)That is where anomalies always occur since 2004. Republicans always pick up bigger percentages there over the last election. Why? Because that is where the votes are to steal with software.
PutGramaOnThePhone
(236 posts)naive, but Ill bite. First of all, I hear ya, and want to say the same thing, however... Id say there are a whole lot of problems with political polling, and people being shitty at their jobs has nothing to do with it.
getagrip_already
(14,855 posts)They aren't designed to do anything more than get people to click or watch or donate. Period.
They can be accurate. But can't measure voter suppression, or hacking, or mail room black holes.
kurtcagle
(1,604 posts)Polling is not a science, but when you end up with a number of reputable polling firms all picking up the same results, and yet the final results are WILDLY divergent from those results, that's when you begin to suspect the election itself.
Ask yourself this. Early voting is actually a pretty good sampling, as are mail-in-ballots. The latter in particular are harder to falsify, because there's a paper trail. The mail-ballots in general were running consistent with the poll numbers. Yet all of a sudden, out of nowhere, in a single day, there were more than enough voters being counted to completely break the pattern.
No, something stinks to high heaven here.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)The number of votes is so big it's taking a long time to count them. High turnout favors us.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Raine
(30,541 posts)Tom Rivers
(459 posts)Always thought it would be in the 278-291 range rather than the 300 and even the crazy 400 I was seeing.
When all of the votes are counted, Joe Biden will be the next President of the United States.
liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)It must be nice to be able to wrong all the time.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)repukes to fight any anti tRump results all the way to the supreme court
Jon King
(1,910 posts)There is zero reason to ever do another poll. People can lie, change their minds, many folks simply don't answer their phones for unknown numbers. Its simply amazing that EVERY poll was wrong but in Dems favor. Not one single state did the polls underestimate Biden. That is amazing to me how every single time it under counts Trump support.
garybeck
(9,942 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Too many votes arent getting counted. Same number of votes counted this year as 2016. Something is clearly screwy.
MFM008
(19,820 posts)Said a razor thin margin for Biden
Or a blowout.
Still waiting.