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Men should not be allowed to vote. (Original Post) StrictlyRockers Nov 2020 OP
I don't agree with the premise, but I have to say, this map is remarkable Mr. Ected Nov 2020 #1
I think we are seeing misogyny soldierant Nov 2020 #45
It's the same thing obnoxiousdrunk Nov 2020 #2
I clicked on the link ready to voice my indignation at your post whopis01 Nov 2020 #3
Fixed it: "Poorly educated men shouldn't be allowed to vote" Mike 03 Nov 2020 #4
It's not just poorly educated men supporting Trump. yardwork Nov 2020 #7
If you take someone with an IQ of 86 Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #30
Their IQs are probably high. Their moral and emotional competence, not so much. yardwork Nov 2020 #33
some high IQ people are what I call regurgitators. Whatever you say to them is demigoddess Nov 2020 #39
Reinstituting a literacy test gladium et scutum Nov 2020 #9
It was when the literacy test for black people Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #32
So you would be OK with gladium et scutum Nov 2020 #55
Where did I say that? Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #56
My bad gladium et scutum Nov 2020 #66
I don't know where you are getting your assumptions from, Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #69
as a man, I might be ok with that... getagrip_already Nov 2020 #5
Look at the map. Women elected Biden and Harris. yardwork Nov 2020 #8
"More white women voted for President Donald Trump in 2020 (55%) LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #47
Why does it have to be "white women" MuirWoods Nov 2020 #44
it doesn't.... getagrip_already Nov 2020 #46
Black women doubled their votes for Trump this time LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #51
Interesting. cwydro Nov 2020 #52
I simply don't get why so many men are such intractable assholes. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #6
Dude! StrictlyRockers Nov 2020 #10
tribal aggression is part of our dna...... getagrip_already Nov 2020 #13
There has been a lot of research I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2020 #21
As Robin Williams once said leftieNanner Nov 2020 #40
so I have to ask lapfog_1 Nov 2020 #11
Those are the women who believe women should be subservient to their men. Caliman73 Nov 2020 #22
Religion and mostly rural marlakay Nov 2020 #54
As a guy awesomerwb1 Nov 2020 #12
Of course that means Biden couldn't vote for himself, but yeah, I get the point Tom Rinaldo Nov 2020 #14
They certainly don't make good political choices BainsBane Nov 2020 #15
I like it Dem2 Nov 2020 #16
As a man, I might vote not to vote but without a vote I couldn't vote not to vote. tecelote Nov 2020 #17
I want you to win. n/t StrictlyRockers Nov 2020 #18
As a man I heartily agree Bradshaw3 Nov 2020 #19
Leaving aside rightleft; BidenTrump; RepugDem tribes, etc. thing... IowaGuy Nov 2020 #20
It took a hundred and how many years for women to get the right to vote? PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2020 #23
Even MS is Blue Polybius Nov 2020 #24
I would change it to morons should not be allowed to vote. IrishEyes Nov 2020 #25
I agree - Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #26
This dude is 100 percent down with women running the show. VOX Nov 2020 #27
I'm cool with it. OverBurn Nov 2020 #28
White women went for Trump again wryter2000 Nov 2020 #29
Their effect was offset by White women that went for Biden, along with African American Blue_true Nov 2020 #64
Yuck. Mosby Nov 2020 #31
There you go strictlyrockers, pickin' on us minorities! 3825-87867 Nov 2020 #34
This map shows there is hope for our country if more women ran for office. KS Toronado Nov 2020 #35
They're so emotional. Maybe it's their hormones. (LOL--just kidding.) tblue37 Nov 2020 #36
Toxic Masculinity. A problem our society needs to confront. CaptainTruth Nov 2020 #37
"Our Society" won't. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #41
I'm a guy who votes Dem! Initech Nov 2020 #38
Interesting in general why are women more liberal than men treestar Nov 2020 #42
I think it's because they have traditionally Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #58
Think of the low crime rate without men! Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2020 #43
From somone with a twitter handle, "Strictly Count All The Votes" LeftInTX Nov 2020 #48
Watched Netflix Letterman show with Obama the night of 2020 election benld74 Nov 2020 #49
And as my wife pointed out to me years ago, Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #57
White people shouldn't vote. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2020 #50
What would this mapo look like if only white women voted standingtall Nov 2020 #53
I think white women are breaking for Biden BainsBane Nov 2020 #59
Can't see it behind a pay wall standingtall Nov 2020 #60
That's funny because I don't pay BainsBane Nov 2020 #61
I don't know standingtall Nov 2020 #65
You can view it BainsBane Nov 2020 #62
I agree canetoad Nov 2020 #63
The idea of selecting voters is too Republican for me, but ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2020 #67
Lysistrata is still relevant today GeoWilliam750 Nov 2020 #68

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
1. I don't agree with the premise, but I have to say, this map is remarkable
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:42 PM
Nov 2020

We need to continue to put women in power and the rest will sort itself out.

soldierant

(6,935 posts)
45. I think we are seeing misogyny
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:28 PM
Nov 2020

I think a chunk of Republican votes - including some from women - were cast in fear of Kamala.

whopis01

(3,524 posts)
3. I clicked on the link ready to voice my indignation at your post
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:44 PM
Nov 2020

then I looked at the map. You certainly have a good point.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
7. It's not just poorly educated men supporting Trump.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:47 PM
Nov 2020

Brett Kavanaugh is highly educated. So is Stephen Miller. Ted Cruz. Etc.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
30. If you take someone with an IQ of 86
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 02:50 PM
Nov 2020

and send them to college all the way to a masters degree, you will have someone with a masters degree and an IQ of 86.

demigoddess

(6,645 posts)
39. some high IQ people are what I call regurgitators. Whatever you say to them is
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 02:58 PM
Nov 2020

remembered but not analyzed, or thought out. This is how Fox News and republicans work.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
32. It was when the literacy test for black people
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 02:52 PM
Nov 2020

was to hand them a Chinese newspaper and ask them what it says.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
56. Where did I say that?
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 07:28 PM
Nov 2020

Actually I pointed out an example of how wrong it was. I live in a state that speaks 38 different languages, and if they are in large enough numbers in a given county, ballots in their language are provided. This country has no official language.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
69. I don't know where you are getting your assumptions from,
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:24 PM
Nov 2020

but this conversation is over. Have a good day.

getagrip_already

(14,853 posts)
5. as a man, I might be ok with that...
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:46 PM
Nov 2020

But there are a lot of stupid white woman out there. I really don't want to be under the thumb of a president karen.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
47. "More white women voted for President Donald Trump in 2020 (55%)
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:43 PM
Nov 2020

compared to the 53% (or 52% some polls found) who voted for him in 2016"

And although miniscule, black women doubled their votes for Trump, from 4% to 8%


https://www.essence.com/news/politics/55-percent-white-women-trump-election-2020/

Wrap your head around that.

I personally do not get it.

getagrip_already

(14,853 posts)
46. it doesn't....
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:28 PM
Nov 2020

But they seem to find there way into politics. It's possible the country could nominate and elect an ivanka just as easily as it can a stacy.

There are ugly people of both genders in politics. I'd rather not be ruled by one (m/f or other).

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
52. Interesting.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:49 PM
Nov 2020

I have a black neighbor who is a huge supporter of the buffoon. And a Latino neighbor.

I think a lot of DU have very few, if any, friends of other ethnicities. And they think they know how they vote.

maxsolomon

(33,414 posts)
6. I simply don't get why so many men are such intractable assholes.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:47 PM
Nov 2020

All over the World.

Maybe Testosterone and the smaller nature of Y chromosomes?

getagrip_already

(14,853 posts)
13. tribal aggression is part of our dna......
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:51 PM
Nov 2020

From way back when you had to keep other tribes from using your watering hole, or hunting your game, or throwing rocks at you.

Aggressive men were critical to a tribes success and survival. Some think they still are. Assholes.

leftieNanner

(15,165 posts)
40. As Robin Williams once said
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:04 PM
Nov 2020

God gave man enough blood to operate a brain and a penis, but not at the same time.

lapfog_1

(29,227 posts)
11. so I have to ask
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:50 PM
Nov 2020

WTF is wrong with the women in ID, UT, WY, ND, SD, NE, OK, AR, LA, WV, KY, TN, and finally AL?

That's a lot of states where the majority of WOMEN think ripping babies from their mothers is OK so long as they are refugees and that killing 225,000 Americans from a preventable pandemic is just fine and lets kill another 2M.

( I know, MEN would be almost the entire USA... but good god... I really don't see how any thinking adult would vote for the Orange Monster, it just escapes me how many of us are that stupid or racist or unfeeling )

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
22. Those are the women who believe women should be subservient to their men.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:39 PM
Nov 2020

The answer to your own incredulity is in your statement.

I really don't see how any thinking adult would vote for the Orange Monster, it just escapes me how many of us are that stupid or racist or unfeeling


It's the thinking.

Trump AND the GOP in general, do not try to argue their case with thoughts and policy. Their messaging is almost always emotional. While Democrats also try to message emotionally, our focus is on policy and information about how those policies can make everyone's lives a bit better. Conservatives market primarily in fear, resentment, and anger. The leaders of conservative ideology market to voters who are definitely "done dirty" by the system only they direct the anger toward Black people, immigrants, women who want control over their reproduction, LGBT people, and other groups of marginalized people. They tell the story of how the government is corrupt WHEN THEY MAKE UP MORE THAN HALF of the government!! The people who follow them, do so because they are NOT thinking, they are reacting emotionally. They spend the day listening to Fox, listening to right wing radio, and reading conservative websites that are telling them that they are under constant attack by people who undeservedly are trying to take what is rightfully theirs.

marlakay

(11,499 posts)
54. Religion and mostly rural
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 04:54 PM
Nov 2020

People who live rurally don't get the opportunity to hear many opinions outside their own. We mix more in the cities even if its just at work.

I am grateful for my daughter's hiking group her only democrat influence on her, she is surrounded at work and home by republican thought. The hiking group formed from her yoga group. Thank god she loves those!

Tom Rinaldo

(22,917 posts)
14. Of course that means Biden couldn't vote for himself, but yeah, I get the point
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:51 PM
Nov 2020

Given a choice of living in a nation where only men could vote or one in which only women could vote, pragmatically, as a man, I would choose the latter. The discrimination would deeply offend me if I had no say, but life would be a hell of a lot better that way than having men rule unobstructed.

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
15. They certainly don't make good political choices
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:52 PM
Nov 2020

as a whole. But obviously we can't take away the voting rights of half the population without people complete and total hypocrites.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
17. As a man, I might vote not to vote but without a vote I couldn't vote not to vote.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 12:53 PM
Nov 2020

'Hang on. Let me get my wife to help me with this.

Bradshaw3

(7,531 posts)
19. As a man I heartily agree
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:11 PM
Nov 2020

Especially white men. Our cohort has screwed things up. Let the women and POC take over and make this the country it can be.

IowaGuy

(778 posts)
20. Leaving aside rightleft; BidenTrump; RepugDem tribes, etc. thing...
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:12 PM
Nov 2020

It is kind of fascinating that there is such a clear divide between men and women politically. When you get right down to it, our economic, familial, cultural, patriotic self interests should all be broadly be similar...and yet they are not. I wish I understood why at a deeper level, beyond just a trite declaration that all men are assholes. I'm not ascribing to that being said by anybody in particular here, but it is the underlying thought. Something definitely to think about.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,902 posts)
23. It took a hundred and how many years for women to get the right to vote?
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:41 PM
Nov 2020

Heck, let's take it away from men for the same length of time.

Ms. Toad

(34,103 posts)
26. I agree -
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:50 PM
Nov 2020

We can put a pause on men voting for the same number of years women were not allowed to vote.

While we're at it, we could do the same for whites voting.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
27. This dude is 100 percent down with women running the show.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 01:58 PM
Nov 2020

It’s their turn; it’s their time. Overall, men haven’t performed very well. It’s past time for men to hand over the keys.

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
29. White women went for Trump again
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 02:42 PM
Nov 2020

I'm a white woman, and this absolutely disgusts me. People of color, especially African American people, are saving our ass again. We don't deserve the help, but of course, they're saving themselves, too.

What would the map look like if only African Americans voted?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
64. Their effect was offset by White women that went for Biden, along with African American
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:01 PM
Nov 2020

women and other women of color. So, in net, women were soundly against Trump. I have a female Trumper as a neighbor, honestly, a good day is one where I don’t have to say hello to her when outside.

3825-87867

(855 posts)
34. There you go strictlyrockers, pickin' on us minorities!
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 02:53 PM
Nov 2020

LOL!

There are more females in America than males - supposedly about 7 million!

That makes us guys a minority and by golly, we want our due!

Maybe if more of the supposed "Redneck, Right Wing Alpha Males" and asshole old white guys in power started being discriminated against,they might learn what it has been like for women forever.

Gotta go. Doin' dishes!

LOL!

Renew the ERA!

maxsolomon

(33,414 posts)
41. "Our Society" won't.
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:11 PM
Nov 2020

Half of it will double down. Putting their Poster Boy in the White House is proof.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. Interesting in general why are women more liberal than men
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:19 PM
Nov 2020

Is it having been 2nd class citizens up until recently?

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
58. I think it's because they have traditionally
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 07:38 PM
Nov 2020

been the ones who care for the children. Having people be dependant on you changes things.

benld74

(9,910 posts)
49. Watched Netflix Letterman show with Obama the night of 2020 election
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:46 PM
Nov 2020

Obama made the following comments near the shows end,,,

Our democracy deliberately discourages people from voting. All is related to our history.
Originally this comes from a society where only certain individuals could vote

white men who owned property
Later expanded to include
white men who didn't own property

Voters who could vote expanding as the country went along, slowly, with plenty of methods used by groups to obtain their right to vote.
The original start of it remains, lingers, persists. It has become ingrained into our society.

Certain windows exist WHEN people can vote. Resulting in LOW voter turnout around the country, within certain groups of peoples.
Some feel WHY vote since, nothing happens to my vote

VERY sobering talk.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
57. And as my wife pointed out to me years ago,
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 07:35 PM
Nov 2020

(and I am sad I was not perticularly cognizant of this fact) black men were allowed to vote long before white women were. And when women got the vote, it initially did not include black women. And of course, as we all know, a black man was president before any white woman. Of course, I was cognizant of that one!

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
53. What would this mapo look like if only white women voted
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:50 PM
Nov 2020

My guess is it would be a bit redder. If white. If reports are true more white women voted for Trump than 2016 and Trump did slightly better with African American males and slightly better with Hispanics then it is reasonable to deduce that Biden has done better with white males than any Democrat has done in along time. Didn't win them, but probably did better.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
60. Can't see it behind a pay wall
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 10:48 PM
Nov 2020

but my point was that if Trump was doing better with white women than he did in 2016 than Biden must've improved among white male voters not that he won among them or even that more of them voted for him than white women did.

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
61. That's funny because I don't pay
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 10:55 PM
Nov 2020

I think Biden did improve among white men, but I'd have to see side by side exit polls to know for sure.

I also have a question regarding exit polls. How would they capture mail-in voters? Or do they?

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
65. I don't know
Thu Nov 5, 2020, 11:01 PM
Nov 2020

I would guess they've already got that information from registered voters in advance, but this is the first year and maybe the only year my state has had mail in ballots.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,462 posts)
67. The idea of selecting voters is too Republican for me, but ...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 07:27 AM
Nov 2020

It would certainly make it easy to verify the eligibility of a voter.

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