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Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:52 PM Nov 2020

Voting and Right Wing propaganda

It is likely way too early to give solid information about this, but I wanted to start a conversation on voting. I also wanted to discuss something that one DU member has constantly and consistently discussed. Shout out to Celerity who has kept it in the conversation, and that it Right Wing media and propaganda.

First Voting. Everyone is harping on "Record voting" and "Record Turnout". There were definitely more votes this cycle. Around 71 million on our side and about 66 million for Trump. In 2016 about 54% of the eligible population voted. We may get up into the 60%'s in this cycle. Still, that means 40% of people who are eligible to vote, did not or could not vote. Does anyone else see a problem with that? I remember a few years ago, I think it was for the Macron election in France that there was some reporting in the French media that there was embarrassment about the election in which over 70% of the eligible population voted. Most other countries within our economic cohort have much higher voting percentages than we do. So, what do we do to get more people to participate in the political process? Do we want them to? What would be needed to make it happen?


On the right wing media. There is a lot of hand wringing about messaging, policies, tactics, etc... The usual infighting about who is to blame. We have always had political divisions in the country and we have had close elections and dirty elections. However, what we have not had until the last 30 years is a coordinated conservative propaganda system consisting of radio stations, cable news channels, and internet sites. Until that time our debates were held using the same information generally with each group making the argument as to why that information supported their cause. Now, we have a substantial chunk of the population who NEVER hear factually driven information. There is a not small group of people who actually believe that there is a pedophilic cult run within the Democratic Party.

I don't think that the country will be able to move forward until this false information is eradicated but I am at a complete loss as to how to do that without running afoul of freedom of speech issues. Any ideas?

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Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
1. I'm watching Australia to see how they are
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:56 PM
Nov 2020

going to deal with Murdoch owning such a large share of the media.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
4. Our problem with that is that Clinton signed the 1996 Telecommunications Act
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:05 PM
Nov 2020

Which allowed for companies to buy up all of the media outlets.

Upthevibe

(8,072 posts)
9. Caliman73...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:37 PM
Nov 2020

This is something I've been confused about. I thought that in 1987 when the Fairness Doctrine was eliminated under Reagan was what led to the media outlets being bought by the right-wingers... Having said that, I have a friend who's said it happened as you have said, the 1996 Telecommunications Act under Clinton. Can you give me some clarification? Thank you

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
10. This is by no means definitive but her are a couple of articles
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:45 PM
Nov 2020
https://medium.com/@riprowan/how-the-telecommunications-act-of-1996-brought-us-donald-trump-5efac5751ee8

https://www.salon.com/2001/06/28/telecom_dereg/

They are not mutually exclusive. When Reagan's FCC eliminated the Fairness Doctrine, it was a step. Deregulation of radio was another huge step.

Thekaspervote

(32,796 posts)
3. I've been dissed for talking about boycotts here. They do work
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:01 PM
Nov 2020

Sleeping giants is a great boycott tool and have had good success

we have to boycott advertisers that support fux snooz until they get the message. It’s the only way

essaynnc

(801 posts)
5. This is the question for the future of our democracy.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:13 PM
Nov 2020

That sounds like hyperbole, but it's not. Whatever your beliefs,50% of the American population is obviously in the dark, if not downright blinded.... Why can't they see the truth?????? Both sides are asking the same question. I think that part of issue with that blindness is the inability to sit down and have a frank discussion about the issues.

I attended a group a bit ago that attempted to do this, but it had very strict ground rules about what was said, how it was said, and how we treated each other. It was a very well structured and documented process, and at the end, we had truly seen each other's concerns and points of view; this is all but impossible today, but in order to move forward, NECESSARY. Seeing each other's points of view would do a lot to break the media bubble that we're both in....

Of at least as much importance is to make people realize (????) how they're being incited to violence, and make them understand (????) that that is not acceptable in a democracy. I think that this is more of a one side issue here (????), but we have to come to an agreement to take it all down a notch. How??? If I only knew....

Just some thoughts.



Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
6. Agreed. I think that there is a lot in common with the average person from either side.
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:17 PM
Nov 2020

This is being driven from the top, mainly because it benefits people to keep the masses at each other's throats rather than letting us all see how we are being manipulated into fighting for scraps while others take the majority of the resources and power.

essaynnc

(801 posts)
7. thank you thank you thank you......
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 03:25 PM
Nov 2020

While we argue over abortion rights or whose "team" wins, they pilfer the treasury and the economy. WTF??????

Upthevibe

(8,072 posts)
8. Caliman73 - Excellent post...
Fri Nov 6, 2020, 06:23 PM
Nov 2020

I'm going to initially comment on this part of your post- "not a small group of people who actually believe that there is a pedophilic cult run within the Democratic Party" and I'll add that they also truly believe "the Hollywood elite" are involved. I have completely cut myself off from a very good friend because of QAnon. She's never been "political" and thank God she's never voted. However, because dt is the "hero" in the QAnon story, my understanding is that she's behind him. My friend hasn't verbalized this to me but her 40 year old daughter called me in tears last week saying she feels that her mom is now totally in the "QAnon cult" and she thinks she supports dt. My friend's daughter hung up on her mom in middle of a conversation because of the absolutely insane things she was saying.

The logistical IMPOSSIBILITY of what is believed regarding QAnon is such a break from reality that there's no place to go in a conversation with someone who believes in this conspiracy theory. It's like trying to reason with someone who's totally wasted on drugs or alcohol. It simply can't be done. My friend and I used to talk every other day. She moved to AZ from CA last year but we've always talked a lot on the phone because we used to have the same new age/new thought spiritual beliefs. I don't know what she believes anymore .

I just started the book Authoritarian Nightmare: Donald Trump And His Followers by John Dean and Bob Altemeyer. The main point of the book is understanding the psychological makeup of dt's supporters. So far I haven't gotten to that part yet because the book is laying the foundation of dt's earlier years, and he's even more horrible than I realized. I'm looking forward to getting to the main point of the book. I think having more insight regarding the people who are his supporters will decrease my frustration level.

As far as people who simply don't believe in facts - that speaks to the complete absence of critical thinking skills in a disturbing number of people in this country. I feel for the most part that critical thinking CAN be taught. I posted in another thread that I think we need to add as required subjects Political Science and critical thinking classes in the curriculum in every elementary, middle school, high school, and college in the country.

When the Fairness Doctrine was eliminated in 1987, the coordinated, conservative propaganda system was elevated to a level that has greatly contributed to the situation in which we now find ourselves by way of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. We MUST make it a priority to start having some control of the narrative and messaging.

Thank you for your awesome post...

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