***OFFICIAL DEBATE THREAD #1****

[taterguy]

I like to get an early start on things.

Fire away with your thoughts about the upcoming debate.

[cali]

1. Romney will be super aggressive

and will try to frame the President as a liar.

[HeeBGBz]

63. Obama will be a cool breeze.

I bet he'll give Roms The Look.

[malaise]

2. LOL -Good Morning taterguy

President Obama will clean his clock.

[bdamomma]

175. I agree

I do not trust Romney at all,plus we don't need another spoiled brat with a silver spoon in the WH

[Le Taz Hot]

3. For those without TV service

the debate is tomorrow night from 9:00 to 10:30 (EST) and will be covered on C-SPAN which, of course, is available online without a fee.

[Berlum]

4. Proposition: Starting debate threads way early is NumbSkullery. Yay or nay?

[taterguy]

5. Nay

[Le Taz Hot]

6. Not around here it's not.

See, there's the pre-debate debate, then there's the debate, then there's the post-debate debate.

Nay.

[titaniumsalute]

12. Dont forget about the master debates. I got an A in that class.

[bluedigger]

43. We've had Halloween candy displays in the supermarket for two weeks - let's do this!

[HeeBGBz]

61. I saw Christmas decorations in Walmart today

Yes, I went there.

[lamp_shade]

7. LOL but seriously... good idea and I think we should keep this kicked. I anticipate at least six

OFFICIAL DEBATE THREADS will be started tomorrow night. It's a pain in the ass. I find myself not even checking them out, but looking for other UNOFFICIAL threads for DUer reactions. I'll kick this again now and then just to keep it "up there".

[taterguy]

9. Thanks for your support

[lamp_shade]

66. ...

early morning nudge.

[lamp_shade]

79. another...

just keeping this kicked for visibility.

[hlthe2b]

8. Shame on you--interferring with the pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre Superbowl coverage!

How on earth do you expect us to focus on more than one thing at a time!

[boobooday]

10. Romney has bee storing up Zingers since June

But last night he made the mistake of letting Chris Christie see his stash. Now they're all gone, and Chris has chocolate icing on his face.

[DevonRex]

45. Bee storing???

OMG. So that's where all the bees went.

[randome]

65. And he's storing them in Zingers? What the hell??

[randome]

11. Candy Crowley's first question.

"Is it true, Governor Romney, that your balls are the size of small acorns?"

[WinkyDink]

112. (Wrong place!)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

13. Romney'll be plastered & doing Henny Youngman jokes.

[left-of-center2012]

14. "I don't get no respect" or .....

"Take my wife, please"

[KansDem]

27. "I don't get no respect"

Romney: "My campaign is doing so badly that I'm starting to get donations in travelers' checks!"

(with apologies to Rodney Dangerfield)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

32. Romney Dangerfield.

[KansDem]

35. LOL!!!

[gkhouston]

15. Discuss: Cornflakes versus panko?

[left-of-center2012]

38. I never heard of panko ...

...so I looked it up. Since I've never heard of it, and never encountered it, I'm unable to discuss it.
panko

[gkhouston]

39. You get a much crispier result than breading with ordinary bread crumbs.

It's actually good stuff, although I wouldn't have a bowl of it for breakfast.

[Ikonoklast]

16. There appears to be little debating going on in this thread.

Looks like intentionally false advertising to me.


I shall seek legal counsel to redress this fraud.

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. If you debate the officials, you get a 10 yard penalty

It's safer to wait for the 'crowd debate' threads.

[Ikonoklast]

21. Show me the rule book.

I think you are making stuff up.

Taterguy paid you off, didn't he?

Amazing what some people will do for a fiver.

[taterguy]

37. Good luck with that

In case you didn't know, lawyers don't like suing folks without assets.

[Ikonoklast]

47. The guy that I use would take your socks in judgment if that's all you have.

Love that guy.

[taterguy]

50. My attorney says socks are exempt from judgments

Well, he would say that if I could afford an attorney.

[Ikonoklast]

58. Even a yoot such as yourself deserves adequate legal representation

After further consideration, doing thirty in county probably wouldn't hurt you too much.

[taterguy]

70. 30 days without porn or smokes?

I'd rather be dead

[Ikonoklast]

71. One can always bribe one of the guards, yanno.

Sheesh, like you've never been in the cooler before.

[C_U_L8R]

17. We'll see a Romney Reagan impersonation

It seems pretty obvious that Romney
has studied Reagan mannerisms almost as
much as he's studied himself in the mirror.

We'll just hear "There You Go Again" (and again)
and the nation will collectively groan at Romney's
dusty old unoriginality and lack of ideas or detail.

[Lint Head]

19. How long will it take for Romney to get agitated and fly off the handle?

I predict Romney will not directly answer one single question.

[maryellen99]

20. I also predict eye rolling and sighing from Rmoney

When the President answers a question.

[C_U_L8R]

23. And lip smacking !!!!

Oh I can't stand when Rmoney does that !!!

[Ganja Ninja]

22. Romney will come armed to the teeth with "facts" from the right wing reality bubble.

Most people including Obama will have no idea what he's talking about.

[HopeHoops]

24. Does it involve pizza and beer?

That would be good.

The debates will go as expected. Obama will come off as cool, collected, and intelligent. rMoney will come off as a wealthy buffoon. Biden will fuck up a bunch of times, but still get his point across and rLyan will just spew bullshit.

It won't change anything either way. Obama already knows he's going to win. The only opposition we have now is over-confidence and apathy. If people don't get out and vote, Obama could lose.

[left-of-center2012]

25. The after debate analysis

Who or which channel will you watch for the 'after debate' analysis?
As for myself, I'll watch MSNBC and hope Rachel Maddow is running the show.
She and Martin Bashir are my two favorites to watch daily.

Rachel's super intelligent, but can explain things so even I can understand it.
And Martin Bashir's super smart and has a great dry humor.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

77. MSNBC...Hoping for Rachel as well n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

219. MSNBC

[valerief]

26. Rmoney will use Kyl's "It's not meant to be a factual statement" more than once

in the debate.

[left-of-center2012]

28. Rmoney's response to more than one question .....

"I’m not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said. Whatever it was."

Followed by a silly smirk.

[Permanut]

29. This is great, Taterguy,..

I always like to get in on things marked "OFFICIAL", and number one is even better.

Romney will demand to know what's wrong with carrying your dog on top of the car, and will argue that the dog had a great view and lots of fresh air up there.

Also will defend the height of the trees in Michigan, and defy President Obama to explain why he thinks the height is incorrrect.

Finally, he will explain why harvesting companies is exactly the same as harvesting, say, carrots or rutabagas.

[mshasta]

30. uh?

is going to be madness here at DU!!!

[taterguy]

42. Madness at DU? It's like you're fucking Nostradomus

[Ikonoklast]

48. Commenting on another poster's choice of sexual partners is a new low, even for you.

For shame.

[randome]

49. Stop it! I don't want to waste the wine!

[grantcart]

31. Romney's open statement was over rehearsed, and the fact that he mentioned the "brave men" in the

armed forces 3 different times was painful.

Can't wait to see how Obama responds.

[nolabear]

33. Geez tater guy, can you keep it up that long?

[taterguy]

36. At this point . . .

we don't know

[bongbong]

34. Any ideas ...

on what brand of radio receiver Flip-Flopper will use to get his answers?

[left-of-center2012]

40. Very large array (VLA) radio telescopes in New Mexico

VLA radio telescopes in New Mexico used to detect radio signals from outer space.

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[AlinPA]

41. Crowley's 1st question to the President:"Were you born in Kenya?" 2nd question "Are you a Muslim?"

[left-of-center2012]

46. Why

Why ask Obama right wing talking points that have long been proven false?

[lamp_shade]

53. ?? knock knock

[randome]

60. Who's th...oh, I get it.

[AlinPA]

59. Because she is a tool of the republicans and most of them don't think those are false points.

[LadyHawkAZ]

44. a true threadmaster would have posted this Thursday

and had a retroactive debate thread. Fail

[WillyT]

51. Boxers... Or Briefs ???

[pinboy3niner]

52. Exceptional OP!

Come to think of it, I guess that makes it taterguy exceptional.

[TheDebbieDee]

54. I just came in here to see why this thread has 50 replies

when the debate doesn't start for another 24 hours.......

[taterguy]

68. Why? Because I'm the one who started it.

Obviously

[babylonsister]

55. I have to work tomorrow night, so thanks!!! :) nt

[taterguy]

56. You're welcome

[HeeBGBz]

62. I do too. I'll be trying to get home in time

I really don't want to miss such delightful entertainment.

[Robb]

57. This thread is the best part of the debate so far!

[w8liftinglady]

64. I just finished watching Sadler debate Cruz for Senate.

Sadler kicked cruz's ass with a smile on his face.

[Grown2Hate]

67. Tappa, tappa, tappa, it's a zinger... tell me how to poke it on Tuesdays... NT

[lamp_shade]

69. mid-morning kick

[taterguy]

80. Acknowledgment of your kick

[flamingdem]

72. Romney: "Stop it! This is hard!" nt

[hamsterjill]

73. Well, one thing is for certain.

If Romney's lips are moving, there will be a lie in there somewhere.

[LiberalAndProud]

74. Look at those clouds. It’s beautiful.

Also, lemonade. wet. good.

[taterguy]

75. Those clouds are exactly the right height

[LiberalAndProud]

76. Height. Yup. Romney will definitiely win.

By a full inch.

[Native]

78. Something about trains?

[lamp_shade]

81. 30 more minutes. This looks like the place to be.

[taterguy]

82. QFT

[Tsiyu]

83. A'ight

Here goes:

[demwing]

84. oh to be a fly on the wall right now, 1:30 seconds till debate time

I'm giddy!

[NYC Liberal]

85. Checking in!

[Tsiyu]

86. CBS

such gravitas

Lehrer looks pretty good.

[Tsiyu]

88. Six 15minute segments

Domestic issues

3 on economy

1 each health care, and governing and ?

2 minute closing statements

no cheering booing

cept now

1. major difference on jobs? 2 minutes

[msanthrope]

87. All right--either you or cali gotta concede!!! nt

[NYC Liberal]

89. Here he is!

[BarackTheVote]

90. Ever noticed that Romney's head is disproportionately large for his body?

[WinkyDink]

96. So's his wallet.

[Tsiyu]

97. It's a big thing n/t

[crazylikafox]

101. Rmoney looks terrified

[WinkyDink]

91. I'm with you, taterguy!

[taterguy]

227. Good to know!

[Sparkly]

92. What channel are you guys watching?

I have MSNBC but already they're doing cutaways.

[Sparkly]

98. And the audio is very harsh and echoey.

[Sparkly]

105. Nevermind -- switched to CSpan.

[GreenPartyVoter]

123. It is for me on "Democracy Now" too.

[WinkyDink]

99. CNN!

[Sparkly]

113. Romney's going for fact-free emotion.

[gkhouston]

106. CSPAN, but the signal is crappy. Wonder if it's just a local problem.

Obama's confident; Romney's not. You could see that in their facial expressions when they first came on stage.

[DisabledAmerican]

108. MSNBC here

[JSK]

218. Current

[dixiegrrrrl]

93. How subliminal is it that Obama has blue tie, Romney red tie?

[WinkyDink]

104. Not at all!

[BlueStater]

94. Mittwit doesn't even have to say anything and he's already annoying me. N/T

[bdamomma]

205. LOL

MittWitt

[SaveAmerica]

95. Romney: already shifty eyed and uncomfortable

[Tsiyu]

102. I hope he freaks n/t

[SaveAmerica]

199. What does all the blinking mean?

[Tsiyu]

225. I don't know his head looks huge n/t

[Terra Alta]

100. Romney looks uncomfortable. nt

[Sugarcoated]

109. He always looks that way

except when he's with his rich buds

[tilsammans]

111. Nixonian?

We can only hope.

[Tsiyu]

119. Dumbass

Crackdown on China?

huh?

He is nervous as hell.

He knows what it takes to dump workers and send money offshore.

[DisabledAmerican]

103. Romney's face is already showing

When they keep going back to a split screen Romney looks weird with his facial expression.

[ecstatic]

107. zinger 1?

[tarheelsunc]

116. I hope that was just a lame attempt at humor

[demwing]

139. "trickle down government"

or maybe "I call it an economy tax"

[demwing]

164. Romney just had GHWBush moment

"I want to underline that - no taxes that add to the deficit"

[Warren Stupidity]

110. RMoney less tan than Univision.

[Setsuna1972]

114. I don;t even want to watch

I'll just let you guys endure and follow your comments here instead

[Richard D]

115. Romney sounds nervous to me

[tarheelsunc]

122. So does Obama to an extent

[WinkyDink]

126. Except we are used to O's speaking quirks.

[BarackTheVote]

117. Maybe they're down to a 30 year low

because every niche is occupied by a f'kin' multinational.

[WinkyDink]

118. O, FGS. Romney's trying to make himself look human. NOT WORKING, MITTWIT, YOU LIAR. He HIRES people?

[gkhouston]

120. Romney claims his plans aren't "more of the same"

and they outlines five squishy points that are more of the same.

[Tsiyu]

129. Exactly

One trickle pony

[Sparkly]

121. Trickle-down Government????

wtf???

[Sparkly]

125. Obama didn't take the bait.

[eqfan592]

130. That was my thought as well. WTF is that? (nt)

[Sparkly]

133. It's co-opting a term that means one thing to make it mean another thing

and confuse people, and zero it out.

[randome]

138. It was a clever line. Won't do him any good but the RW will see it as a 'zinger'.

[riderinthestorm]

124. Don't forget our dial-up friends and create a #2 thread when this gets into the 150s.... Thanks!

[sfpcjock]

127. Gaffe 1 is Romneys job...

Obama doesn't want to spend his anniversary on a stage with Mr. Missed, LOL

[Politicub]

128. Classy - Romney opened with a lie

Not cutting taxes on the rich?

[WinkyDink]

131. And he hires people?!

[Tsiyu]

132. Pres: Invest in US company hiring US Workers

Energy for the future, invest in new energy

Laying out Rmoney's rich people tax breaks

Mitt: Middle income crushed

Gas up , electric, food up , "crushed"

energy, trade, right kind of training, small business breaks
He can't even keep a striaght face while he's lying!!! Lying about tax breaks

[sfpcjock]

153. The "small business" Romney wants to help is the S-Corp Big business crowd

too

LOL

[BarackTheVote]

134. Rmoney really does look tired

that train Monday night really did a number on him

[DisabledAmerican]

135. Romeny's looking down and smirking the whole time

Is it just me or is that weird?

[gkhouston]

140. Yes, it's weird. n/t

[Politicub]

141. Very bush-esque . His eyes are red, too

[laruemtt]

144. his voice is making me sick

and the tofu in my belly is starting to rumble..........

[Sugarcoated]

145. He tries to look mildlyamused

or something, but it looks condescending and weird.

[tarheelsunc]

146. I thought that was quite strange as well

[DisabledAmerican]

177. Romney just interrupted the mod

Romney had to get his words. THE butt butt butt

[DisabledAmerican]

183. Romney can't stand not having the last word

This should get interesting here.

[gkhouston]

136. OMFG; claims he'll provide tax relief to middle income Americans.

Let's see the math, Mitt.

[fishwax]

150. second time he's said he doesn't have a tax cut (for the wealthy)

His talking points are weird thus far.

[fishwax]

137. It's weird how Romney is lecturing Obama about how the upper class is doing fine, as though

Obama is the one whose policies are targeted towards the wealthy.

[Sparkly]

149. exactly.

[gkhouston]

157. New Etch-a-Sketch.

And now he's going on about "energy" which to Romney means "gas and oil".

Gosh, I wonder who's been propping up his campaign?

[Sparkly]

142. "People hurt! Things are bad!"

That's Rmoney's message tonight.

[WinkyDink]

143. Romney's pants are already on fire!

[Flatpicker]

147. Mitt's walking away from his base

With all this middle class talk.

Someone must have shook the etch a sketch.

[VespertineIconoclast]

148. No specifics Rmoney! n/t

[BarackTheVote]

195. Vesper, the picture in your sig line is the scariest thing ever O_O

[VespertineIconoclast]

232. LOL! It's meant to be. ;-) n/t

[Horse with no Name]

151. Gas prices doubled?

I distinctly remember paying almost $4 a gallon under Bush--of course, if you don't count the pre-election gas price drop that Big Oil gave to Bush...I guess that is what they are talking about?

[Tsiyu]

174. He's just making up shit

Pres:

Instructive to talk a out taxes.

Cut middle class tax: we do best when middle class doing well.

Can buy stuff spend money, businesses hire more people.

Rmoney has been asked how to close deductions and loopholes and can't pay for more tax cuts and additional military spending

Romoney looks like a moron

[Grateful for Hope]

152. Obama seems nervous. I have never seen him like this.

[randome]

207. I don't think he does at all. And I'm not an optimist.

[Grateful for Hope]

215. Mitt is an embarrasment

[onecent]

154. New debate thread please??

[riderinthestorm]

165. +1 nt

[taterguy]

234. This thread is just fine

But that's just my biased opinion

[uponit7771]

155. ...no 5million dollar tax cut?

[spanone]

156. i like coal....bet he does

[FirstLight]

158. I can't listen to romney

he makes me sick... and he is totally being patronizing...


and his energy policies scare me

[Sparkly]

159. He's piling up such a huge load of crap it's got to be hard for Obama to know which to correct

and which to let go.

[bullwinkle428]

160. YES...let's talk about TAXES, Mitt!

[Sparkly]

161. He can't reduce tax cuts to rich people as that helps middle class

like we've seen so many times. NOT.

[begin_within]

162. Obama seems very relaxed.

[BarackTheVote]

163. You notice that Rmoney is staring straight at Obama most of the time?

It's kind of freaking me out... is he trying to psych Obama out?!

[fishwax]

166. Romney: I am not looking to cut taxes

That's the third time he's said it. I know it isn't exactly what he means, but it's rather odd how he keeps repeating it.

[spanone]

171. he's etch a sketching his entire campaign

[Flatpicker]

167. You can't beat them with facts

Baffle them with Bullshit.

Mitt is shoveling hard.

[bdamomma]

217. really Bs'ing

Mitt is shovelling himself into a hole

[dixiegrrrrl]

168. Romney brings out the old canard about "clean coal"...

[GardeningGal]

169. Romney's lying through his teeth.

He's good at it - he's a Republican.

[llmart]

170. Romney - "I like coal" WTF?

He sounded like the little kid in line to see Santa in "The Christmas Story" - "I like the tin man."

Jeezus, he's goofy.

[uponit7771]

172. MITT IS SWEATING!!!!

[OmahaBlueDog]

173. Mitt's key word seems to be "Crushed"/"Crushing"

I expect to hear it more.

[Tsiyu]

182. Just insulted the hell out of his sons

basically called them liars

he looks like an android, I swear

[BarackTheVote]

187. Obama ZING!

"His big bold idea is, nevermind!"

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

201. Could be the operative word for a drinking game.

Mitt said crushed. Drink!!!!!!!!!!!

[uponit7771]

176. *********QUOTE HIM!!!!!****************

[fishwax]

178. I love how Romney's upset about Obama getting his tax plan wrong, when they've repeatedly refused to

give specifics about it.

[bullwinkle428]

179. "Don't listen to the fact-checkers...just trust me!"

[tarheelsunc]

180. Romney is trying to win with lies, he hasn't said anything true so far

Same as his whole campaign I guess. Trying to play the George HW Bush "read my lips, no new taxes" card.

[mshasta]

181. he got mad!!!

[Tsiyu]

190. Romney is creepy

[Flatpicker]

184. The whole

Truth issue from Mitt is projection of the highest order.

[riderinthestorm]

185. Please go to new debate thread #2 !! nt

[fishwax]

186. BAZINGA! Romney's first zinger

About having five sons and how repeating something doesn't make it true. I'm not sure I really get the connection, but ...

[llmart]

191. What he means is....

his sons are bullshitters like he is!

[crazylikafox]

194. I think he was calling Obama a liar

Didn't sound very zingerish to me

[fishwax]

203. you didn't actually expect Romney's zingers to be *zingerish* did you

That's asking way too much of the guy

[ballabosh]

198. They're Romneys

so he knows first hand how much they lie.

[uponit7771]

188. "....His big bold idea is NEVERMIND...."

[pinstikfartherin]

189. ARITHMETIC!

[Tsiyu]

200. Way over first 15 minutes lol n/t

[salin]

192. Everyone is now reaching for the chanell changer...

This is odd - I am a policy wonky sort of person. I have professionally worked in policy, and have dealt with data and interpreting policies in a career area that is sensitive to policy changes and that frequently faces changes in policies at the local, state and federal level.

This debate has started off by both the President, and Romney so steeped in policy - that even I (granted I am greatly fatigued while I listen) am starting to mentally tune out.

I can't imagine that folks will keep paying close attention past the first 10 minutes.

Maybe some "zingers" or big moments are in store - but if folks watching have tuned out, they won't still be paying attention when those occur.

Hard to "change the game" when folks start mentally tuning out.

[kerouac2]

214. Prez has to ask questions ie: what loopholes, deductions. Specifics. nt

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

193. what's with Romney's smirk??

[llmart]

197. He's channelling W.....

[demwing]

196. Obama says "Romney's been running on this tax plan for 18 weeks

now , 5 weeks before the election, his big bold plan is "Never Mind!"

Soundbite left hook! KAPOW!

[Tsiyu]

202. Rmoney is losing his voice

hyperventilating

[BarackTheVote]

204. IF THEY DON'T PAY A FAIR WAGE

THEY DON'T DESERVE A TAX BREAK!!!!!

[llmart]

209. Ooooohhh....

Now Rmoney's looking like a real jerkass undermining Jim's authority.

[eqfan592]

206. Anybody got a link that goes over Pres Obamas $3600 tax cut???

Trying to find one for somebody on facebook.

[Tsiyu]

208. Pres: WE have data to help create jobs

Clinton vs VooDoo economics

Rmoney getting pissy out of turn

Pres graciously lets him flap his lips! He won't shut up!!!!!!

[dixiegrrrrl]

210. look at Romney trying to re-write rules of the debate!

"the President went first so I should get to answer him, it should be my turn"

[Xyzse]

211. Oh god Asshole

Going after the moderator.

[Xyzse]

212. Agh!!!

Gives a bunch of things he's going to do without specifics on how to actually do it.

[llmart]

213. OMG

Now he's insulting Jim.

Jackass has probably never watched PBS in his life.

[SaveAmerica]

216. I LIKE BIG BIRD!! Zinger!! HE'S COMING UNHINGED!!

[llmart]

220. I think he's high on something.

He likes coal and Big Bird. Yeah, that's what I want in a President.

[kdmorris]

221. Romney is being an aggressive jerk

What a bully...

[JohnA1]

222. Come on Obama kick him in the nuts!

I wish Obama would be a little more aggressive and hit romeny more.

Romney is getting alot of licks in. Obama needs to call him out on these lies!

[left-of-center2012]

233. I agree

Obama let too many of Romney's attacks go unanswered.
Looked to me like Mittens steam rolled over the President.

The President looked too defensive, almost not engaged.
I want to see the fighting spirit Joe Biden would bring.

That said, I love Joe Biden, but I hope he gets through next Thursdays'
debate with out saying anything crazy.

[llmart]

223. Now he likes....

coal, Big Bird and green energy. Geez, I may just switch my vote.

[llmart]

224. What a bully.

I didn't think I could like him less, but after watching this so far, I really, really do.

[Tsiyu]

226. Yeah..the fratboy smirk is off-putting n/t

[SaveAmerica]

228. Romney needs more bran in his diet

[underpants]

229. Romney has done some sort of "duch" flapping 4 times

[SaveAmerica]

230. Romney singing "I believe" from The Show of Mormons. Ha!

[dixiegrrrrl]

231. romney boy is not so good at following the debate rules, is he?

Not only does he not want to follow the time rules, nor the topic rules, he is trying to take over the moderator's job.

[left-of-center2012]

235. The only thing Rmoney didn't do

Hold the moderator down and cut his hair off.