I know we joke

[angrychair]

im starting to get that feeling again. It seems to me their plan is to continually question the election in court to keep vote counts from being certified by their respective SoS.
If electors cannot meet to cast their votes in December and than it is forced up to the House, which republicans will give to Trump.

Im starting to worry this is not going to end well.

[RandySF]

1. Biden is about to win AZ and GA.

There's no scenario where Biden doesn't even up POTUS at this point.

[Drunken Irishman]

2. Why would the Democratic SoS in AZ, PA, WI & MI not certify the results?

[angrychair]

5. because Republicans

are flooding the court system with lawsuits and likely within the next week or so will start demanding courts order states to stop vote certification until all legal issues are resolved.
This was their back-up plan the whole time.

I worry less about the legal implications and a lot more about the potential civil war this could start.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. I guess I'm confused as to why any of that would stop certification.

Can you please be more specific with the lawsuits you see as doing that because I see absolutely none that have even remotely come close to changing anything and guess I must have missed something. Thanks.

[angrychair]

20. Court injunctions

New lawsuits this week...and next week and the week after that.
They just need an injunction to temporarily bar certification of the vote.
They don't have to win, just run out the clock to force it to the House.

Not alone in this theory either. We sit around and laugh while they use the trump appointed judges to take the country by any means necessary:

Link to tweet

?s=19

[Drunken Irishman]

21. You haven't answered my question.

Can you point to a specific lawsuit that has forced any SoS from certifying the results? You seem to be under the impression that any lawsuit, no matter how frivolous, can just continually keep things in limbo and that's not how it works. So, unless there is a lawsuit that I'm not aware of that would do this, again, I ask why do you think Democratic Secretarys of State would not certify these results?

[angrychair]

22. Because I know

that mcTurtle and trump haven't been appointing federal judges like their lives depend on it without a reason.

It doesn't have to have merit, it just has to get to SCOTUS.

I have zero faith in this legal system. I'm supposed to have faith in a legal system that sends a black man to jail for years, without a trial, while trump and his friends live free and unencumbered lives no matter what they do?

[Drunken Irishman]

23. So you're just fearmongering at this point without any proof.

It's funny you mention having zero faith in the legal system when Trump is literally 0-10 in lawsuits filed since election day.

Nothing has prevented the SoS from going through with the certification process. Even the GOP led effort in the PA legislature has no power with their threats as the state law gives the SoS sole authority to certify.

But if you want to make things up to push your fear porn, so be it. I'm done entertaining it. Good luck.

[angrychair]

24. Its not fear

its common sense. To pretend like everything is fine while the GSA has refused certification to allow the transition to move forward. Republicans are tearing every election norm to sherds, even attacking their own SoS in GA.

We should always be realistic about the fact that until he takes the oath of office in January, Republicans will literally do anything in their power to stop it.

[Drunken Irishman]

25. There is nothing common sense about your post.

Common sense is rooted in fact and you've provided zero fact to make your claim. If you cannot provide any legal evidence to suggest what you're stating, you are, in fact, fearmongering. I asked for lawsuits that would force the SoS from certifying the results. You have not provided me with anything substantive. Based on that, I refuse to continue with this conversation because I see no point feeding your fearmongering.

This will be my last reply to you. I will not read your reply if you decide to write one because it's clear your entire argument boils down to emotions rather than common sense or reality.

Good luck.

[EndlessWire]

26. That's pretty harsh.

Dude expresses an opinion, and you beat him over the head with the word "fearmongering."

He's not trying to scare you. He doesn't want you to buy something from him.

Repubs do their dirty work in plain sight, because they don't have to hide from nonpoliticians. Right now, they're doing their thing. We have a right to question stuff.

[Sedona]

3. If no candidate is certified Nancy becomes President

[angrychair]

4. No, that's not how it works

There will be a president on January 20 but, at least until SoS cerify votes and electors meet and vote, the question still remains who that will be.

[patricia92243]

6. The House is Democratic.

[angrychair]

7. not how that vote happens

That type of vote is done by control of state delegations.
Right now Republicans control more, 26 to our 24.

Not saying this is going to happen but I can see that is clearly their intent.

[BigmanPigman]

10. I think Bill Maher was trying to explain this plan

on his show a few weeks ago. He was trying to get his guests to tell him what the worst scenarios would be.

[angrychair]

11. I didn't see it

but I know enough about how things work to see it playing out. They don't have to win... they just have to run out the clock.

Its a mess of its own but such a dangerous move could have serious implications for the stability of government and push the nation over the edge.

What trump is doing is not how its supposed to happen. Its vulgar abuse of power and explicitly inciting violence.
Trump could care less about being president, he just doesn't want to go to jail.

[BigmanPigman]

13. He also doesn't want to lose any more money as well as staying out of jail.

[EndlessWire]

27. I agree. n/t

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

8. Huh? The states will certify their results in an orderly fashion.

And the electors will meet on December 14.

What exactly is your source of thinking that won't happen?

[angrychair]

9. its obvious by their lawsuits

they are planning to file at least a dozen new lawsuits in 5 different states next week (PA, MI, AZ,NV and GA).
Its clearly their intent to force a court injunction to even temporarily halt vote certification. They only have to do it for a couple weeks.
Its why the GSA is currently refusing to certify the vote already...or at least that is their excuse.

[TigressDem]

15. The GSA is trying to maintain a non-partisan role at the moment.

Because votes are still being counted, I think that is fair.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/08/general-services-administration-biden-win-435203


HOWEVER:

Lawsuits he has filed have not had success.
https://time.com/5908505/trump-lawsuits-biden-wins/
MI https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/05/trump-michigan-lawsuit-ballot-counting-case-dismissed/6173871002/
GA
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/524634-georgia-judge-throws-out-trump-campaign-lawsuit-on-absentee-ballots


Future lawsuits have little merit.
PA
https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/trump-biden-vote-fraud-philadelphia-pittsburgh-rudy-giuliani-lawsuits-20201108.html
GA
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-georgia-gop-trump-file-lawsuit-over-ballot-counting/CC23LBS6WBCU5I7A467DKZH44Q/
NC expects no further lawsuits
https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-carolina-news/political-experts-not-expecting-trump-election-lawsuit-in-north-carolina/
AZ - repackaged "sharpiegate" scenario
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/524983-trump-campaign-files-new-election-related-lawsuit-in-arizona
NV - rejected
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/president-trump-campaign-to-hold-news-conference-in-las-vegas-at-830-a-m-lawsuit-update-2/

[TigressDem]

12. I think it's going to be OK

I get what you are saying. I still worry about various aspects.

Mostly I worry about crazed tRumpies murdering vote counters in the street because they are wild cards incited to riot by the Dumpster.

However, 2 things are making ACTUAL court process less helpful for the Don.
1) He won't pony up the money to pay for recount (ie: Wisconsin) so he won't get what an actual recount.
2) The courts are rejecting many of his requests due to lack of any evidence

Now he is selling one of his private helicopters so he COULD resolve #1, but it will probably still show Biden winning that state.

His doctored videos out on social media convince his followers, but in a court of law, they are pathetic fakes easily debunked.

We are deadlocked in the Senate, but in the House we maintain control as of yet. SO... even that might not be the worst thing.

HOWEVER, 279 electors have already pledged, so more likely is they will vote and Dumpster will have to seek to overturn the results after the fact or just keep heckling from the sidelines being a massive pain in Biden's career and a threat to the nation without the restraint of the office.

It still can be pretty bad, but I think the majority of people dealing with the election process would rather work with the actual facts and count the votes as has been done in America for a long time than capitulate to a tyrant having a temper tantrum.

I don't think he has a legal leg to stand on and he knows it. He is trying to put Biden on trial in the court of public opinion and doing that very well for his base. He can STILL be a lot of trouble, but I don't think the legal battle is going well for him at all.


IMHO

[angrychair]

14. I truly hope you're right

but time is on his side. He doesn't have to win, he just has to gum up the works until the deadlines pass without action (vote cert by each state...any state) and he stays president.

That is troubling on its own but it could be very dangerous to the stability of the nation.

[TigressDem]

16. I am certain he will still be trouble, but legally he is being shut down for lack of evidence

See Post 15, I looked for any lawsuit that indicates merit or going forward and it seems lack of evidence is blocking or what evidence is found isn't enough to make a difference, so - problem discovered addressed, then case dismissed.

[AmericanCanuck]

18. When will we allow ourselves to simply enjoy the reality

instead of looking for an improbable dark cloud next to every silver lining?

[angrychair]

19. When Biden and Harris

stand on that stage and take the oath of office. Its, very literally, not over until that happens.

[EndlessWire]

28. I agree. n/t