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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt drives me slightly apeshit
that after all these years of abuse, lies, disrespect, name-calling, demonization and hate, liberals are now supposed to be the grown-ups one more time, and "understand" the angst of the losers of the election.
They called me an idiot. They've been using "liberal" as a dirty word for years. They claim that I am not even an American even though they know damn well that I was born, raised, and never lived anywhere else but the USA.
They threaten me physically. They have verbally abused me for years. Trump is a classic abuser. I don't support their racist, authoritarian, anti-American policies. I find their leader to be a severely damaged demagogue and wannabe dictator. I believe in science, in welcoming immigrants, in equality, true equality for everyone, and equal opportunities for all.
Is there anyone in the republican party or on the right generally calling for understanding of the left wing of the American body politic? Anyone? Anyone at all?
I don't feel a huge urge to make nice. To me, trump and his cult are the epitome of the snake who talked the frog into taking him across the river, then killed the frog on the other side. The frog said, you promised you wouldn't do that, and the snake said, you should have known that I would do that. I'm a snake.
It's fucking hard to hug a snake. Peace.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)They shit all over us when they hold power, then demand understanding and unity when they lose. No thanks, Lucy. Take your football and go home.
judesedit
(4,439 posts)AZ8theist
(5,477 posts)These are the same people who support TREASON.
These are the same people who took money from Russians.
These are the same people who want to strip our medical insurance during a pandemic.
These are the same people who consider POC as "sub human".
These are the same people who will do ANYTHING to remain in power and murder as many Americans as they can.
Fuck their "feelings".
Fuck reconciliation.
Fuck them. To HELL.
NO SURRENDER. NOT. THIS. TIME.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)We have had people yell horrible things at us because of signs in our yards or bumper stickers. They keyed our car and left a nasty note telling us to leave the state. Someone my husband works with put up nasty signs within the vision of black employees that suggested they should be shot along with "libtards". I just have to wonder if I owe them being nice right now.
pwb
(11,276 posts)Spoiled dummies.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)I AM DONE WITH THEM
period.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I have no intention of making nice. on all of them.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)They're the racist, misogynistic, mendacious, crude, cruel, crooked, creepy hypocrites who claim to be patriots while supporting a POTUS who has never even read the US Constitution.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)what is there to UNDERSTAND exactly that we haven't already figured out from their sickening behavior? The conservatives I know expressed more angst over missing campaign signs than they did for kids separated from their parents.....CONSERVATIVES MAKE ME SICK
Blue Owl
(50,427 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)barbtries
(28,799 posts)i loved that.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)than I have been. I dont make nice with horrible people. Fuck em.
cry baby
(6,682 posts)Im sick of media interviewing trumpsters to try to understand their side yet I have heard very little from media trying to understand Biden supporters.
I am not in the mood for reconciliation. America has been and is still being abused. Im sick of babying those selfish assholes.
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)It's like asking a battered wife to make nice with her abuser. "Maybe if you were nicer and more understanding he wouldn't hit you."
BarbD
(1,193 posts)hatrack
(59,587 posts)crud
(619 posts)Feeling a weeeee bit of the disarray coming on...
In It to Win It
(8,254 posts)Did those same people give Trump and the Republicans the "we need to understand the other side" speech? That's the speech I want to hear.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Theyll gladly beat you to a pulp either physically or psychologically but in their mind its your fault because you made them do it. So if you win against them their rationale is that theyre being victimized. Either way youre the bad person.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)i spent an unfortunate year in a relationship with a man who had a personality disorder (borderline, but i made the diagnosis since he would never seek help), and it was almost a marvel how every valid complaint i ever had was suddenly about me.
that's trump. i don't believe i will ever understand what drives his cult. it's all negative.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)He was abusive and threatened my life. I had to literally escape with my son.
I get that whole dynamic.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)i had to leave with my son. I spent 20Apr1999 watching the Columbine massacre play out on a motel TV. after he finally left my apartment for good, i had to change the locks and let the manager know he was not allowed to be there.
and here we have trump as president spreading this sickness all through the land.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)to overcome my fear of his father in order to leave. The maternal instinct is very real.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)alive and well!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)While they worship one of the most un-Christlike people on the planet.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)and a better christian than trump evangelicals.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,204 posts)But I have friends who are weekly, church going Christians who would NEVER vote for Trump or any other Republican for that matter.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)a friend of mine lives with one of "them" - same church
iluvtennis
(19,863 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)Fuck their feelings.
AllaN01Bear
(18,264 posts)kindness is not there way. when one is sent home from one of the most conservative fundie baptist private school in southern ca with the black sin of the devil at age 4, i still have no respect for them.
BComplex
(8,054 posts)a liberal to become a preacher. They teach conservative extremism in the seminaries and from the pulpit. Fundies took over the Baptist seminaries in the 70's as part of the Powell Manifesto.
Celerity
(43,419 posts)https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/septemberoctober-2016/the-myth-of-the-powell-memo/
At one end of a block of Massachusetts Avenue in Washington, D.C., sometimes known as Think Tank Rowthe Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the Brookings Institution are neighboursa monument to intellectual victory has been under reconstruction for a year. It will soon be the home of the American Enterprise Institute, a 60,000-square-foot Beaux-Arts masterpiece where Andrew Mellon lived when he was treasury secretary during the 1920s. AEI purchased the building with a $20 million donation from one of the founders of the Carlyle Group, a private-equity firm. In the story of the rise of the political right in America since the late 1970s, think tanks, and sometimes the glorious edifices in which they are housed, have played an iconic role. The Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, and the libertarian Cato Institute, along with their dozens of smaller but well-funded cousins, have seemed central to the war of ideas that drove American policy in the 1980s, in the backlash of 1994, in the George W. Bush era, and again after 2010.
For the centre left, these institutions have become role models. While Brookings or the Urban Institute once eschewed ideology in favour of mild policy analysis or dispassionate technical assessment of social programs, AEI and Heritage seemed to build virtual war rooms for conservative ideas, investing more in public relations than in scholarship or credibility, and nurturing young talent (or, more often, the glib but not-very-talented). Their strategy seemed savvier. Conservative think tanks nurtured supply-side economics, neoconservative foreign policy, and the entire agenda of the Reagan administration, which took the form of a twenty-volume tome produced by Heritage in 1980 called Mandate for Leadership. In the last decade or so, much of the intellectual architecture of the conservative think tanks has been credited to a single document known as the Powell Memo. This 1971 note from future Supreme Court Justice Lewis Powell to a Virginia neighbour who worked at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce urged business to do more to respond to the rising New Left, countering forces such as Ralph Naders nascent consumer movement in the courts, in
media, and in academia.
Powells note went unheeded and unnoticed when he sent it, but enjoyed a brief flurry of attention after journalist Jack Anderson discovered it after Powell had been named to the Court. It was then promptly forgotten for another thirty yearsthe memo goes unmentioned in almost all histories of the rise of conservatism published in the last third of the twentieth centuryuntil about 2001, when it suddenly became the skeleton key for historians and advocates on the left seeking to explain conservative dominance. In 2005, a PowerPoint deck devised by a former Clinton administration official, Rob Stein, made the Powell Memo familiar to dozens of liberal donors, who saw in the story of the right an argument for building similar intellectual infrastructure on the centre left, inspiring the creation of the Democracy Alliance, an important funder of liberal organizations. From there, the story took on a life of its own. By 2012, in a book entitled Who Stole the American Dream?, Hedrick Smith named the thief: Lewis Powell. The future justice was a commanding general gearing up an army for battle, and his memo generated broad tremors of change in corporate America and set off a seismic transformation of our political system, according to Smith. That same year, the American Prospect put a caricature of Powell with a pair of Satanic horns on its cover.
The idea that Powells note was some sort of battle planand he a generalfor right-leaning think tanks, legal organizations, and ideological warfare has never been convincing, save as a fund-raising pitch. The conservative institutions that emerged in the decade that followed had little in common with the plan Powell suggested, which mostly involved the Chamber of Commerce itself. Nor was Powell any kind of movement conservative. He was, instead, a stodgy corporate lawyer, but a Democrat, and, by the standards of Virginia in the 1960s, a progressive oneas chair of the Richmond school board, he integrated the citys schools with little conflict, and he was a moderate even on the most liberal Supreme Court ever. His memo even identifies collective bargaining as one of the central values of the free enterprise system. The actual Powell Memo, and its influence, hardly lived up to the useful fiction that has been developed around it.
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BComplex
(8,054 posts)However, I have to take issue with the idea that the Powell memo had little/nothing to do with the rise of the right.
Even in wikipedia:
On August 23, 1971, prior to accepting Nixon's nomination to the Supreme Court, Powell was commissioned by his neighbor, Eugene B. Sydnor Jr., a close friend and education director of the US Chamber of Commerce, to write a confidential memorandum for the chamber entitled "Attack on the American Free Enterprise System," an anti-Communist and anti-New Deal blueprint for conservative business interests to retake America.[14][15] It was based in part on Powell's reaction to the work of activist Ralph Nader, whose 1965 exposé on General Motors, Unsafe at Any Speed, put a focus on the auto industry putting profit ahead of safety, which triggered the American consumer movement. Powell saw it as an undermining of the power of private business and an ostensible step towards socialism.[14] His experiences as a corporate lawyer and a director on the board of Phillip Morris from 1964 until his appointment to the Supreme Court made him a champion of the tobacco industry who railed against the growing scientific evidence linking smoking to cancer deaths.[14] He argued, unsuccessfully, that tobacco companies' First Amendment rights were being infringed when news organizations were not giving credence to the cancer denials of the industry.[14]
The memo called for corporate America to become more aggressive in molding society's thinking about business, government, politics and law in the US. It inspired wealthy heirs of earlier American industrialists such as Richard Mellon Scaife, the Earhart Foundation (whose money came from an oil fortune), and the Smith Richardson Foundation (from the cough medicine dynasty)[14] to use their private charitable foundations (which did not have to report their political activities) to join the Carthage Foundation (founded by Scaife in 1964)[14] to fund Powell's vision of a pro-business, anti-socialist, minimally government-regulated America based on what he thought America had been in the heyday of early American industrialism, before the Great Depression and the rise of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal.
The Powell Memorandum thus became the blueprint for the rise of the American conservative movement and the formation of a network of influential right-wing think tanks and lobbying organizations, such as The Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as well as inspiring the US Chamber of Commerce to become far more politically active.[16][17] CUNY professor David Harvey traces the rise of neoliberalism in the US to this memo.[18][19]
Powell was a democrat, but he was a "southern democrat" (from Virginia), and had both liberal and conservative views on many things (in favor of Roe v Wade). But his memo did in fact carry weight with a lot of the rising conservative think tank establishment people.
The memo just didn't get liberal people's attention until 2001 was because that was when the internet started bringing liberals together with research that studied the underbelly of the rise of the right.
I guess the major argument for putting the spotlight on the Powell memo is that, starting in the late 70's early 80's (Reagan), almost everything mentioned in the Powell memo began to take shape, and today has pretty much all come to fruition.
Thanks again for linking that article! It had a lot of interesting information!
marieo1
(1,402 posts)Perfect and what I've been saying since DJT ever got in office. He is the most hateful, ignorant, vile and the meanest, most devious person I've ever been subjected to in my life. I hope he is gone forever. I cannot understand how anyone can support him. Even looking at his picture makes me want to puke!!
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)He gave up toward the end and had no more fucks left to give. Remember the uproar over his tan suit (how dare he?) and a preference for Dijon mustard? And Bush/ Cheney (torture/ illegal war crimes ticket) Freedom Fries were no better. Then there's Newt and the Contract on (oh FOR) America. Yeah right! Fuck 'em all. Time has proven what and who you all are. Racist, greedy, insatiably power-hungry, unfeeling and relentlessly keeping others down and owned, starting with right to choose and education. And Biden is considering Kasich for a cabinet post??
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)kimbutgar
(21,163 posts)Francisco. He ended up cheating and divorcing my sister in law and she had to raise.3 teenagers on her own. He used to be such an authoritarian father telling his kids when they were 18 they were out of his home and on their own. He ended up losing his home to a short sell in 2008 and moved up to an area were the cost of living was cheaper. While my hubby and I never had financial problems, have always saved money and travel when we can. And Of course his kids are all right wingers who live paycheck to paycheck. They brag they got their work ethic by their hard working Dad while their Mom worked just as hard and got food on the table , cause he refused to pay child support and took care of the kids when he abandoned them!
But this guy used to put us down all the time and while I am a proud liberal he used to call us looney liberals.
seta1950
(932 posts)Conservatives are bullies , Ive had enough of them, they want to tell everyone how to live their lives no thanks
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)They have absolutely no problem stretching, and breaking, the norms of government.
If we are not willing to do the same, we will lose.
It goes against our nature to behave in such ways, I get that.
Fact is, we will lose if we do not play as hard as we can.
They want power and they have demonstrated that they will do absolutely anything to acquire it, and to maintain it.
NBachers
(17,122 posts)hvn_nbr_2
(6,486 posts)If you don't get it, google "frog and scorpion".
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)But ultimately, when toddlers misbehave - no matter how angry it may make their parents - parents don't sink to the level of toddlers (at least not for long). Someone has to be the adult.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)i'll never be them. nor will i kiss their ass or let their bullshit fly by without a response.
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)Long story short. You cut them loose.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)let it go. that carries its own freight because i love some of them, but i'm reconciling myself to it.