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An argument before the Supreme Court on October 1 in Kiobel v. Royal Dutch Petroleum will have enormous significance. The case concerns the torture of Ogoni leaders in Nigeria, but at stake is the future of the law under which this case was brought, the Alien Tort Statute.
Passed in 1789, the Alien Tort Statute was a prescient piece of legislation. It allows foreign victims of human rights abuses in foreign nations to seek civil remedies in U.S. courts, and its animating idea -- that people anywhere should have recourse for violations of the "law of nations" -- was the foundation of our modern understanding of human rights.
In the suit, the plaintiffs accuse Royal Dutch Shell of helping the former dictatorship in the arrests on false charges and torture of 12 members of the Ogoni tribe, who sought to peacefully disrupt Shell's operations because of the devastating health and environmental effects of unregulated drilling. All the plaintiffs were themselves tortured except Esther Kiobel, who brought her claims on behalf of her late husband, Barinem Kiobel. Kiobel was executed through a sham trial process in which the plaintiffs believe Shell played a central role.
The Supreme Court court accepted Kiobel v. Royal Dutch Petroleum last fall after a federal appeals court ruled that the statute could not be used to sue corporations. The justices indicated in February that they might question not just the application of the statute to corporations but whether and under what circumstances it applies to any human rights violations, even by individuals, that take place outside the United States. They ordered the case to be re-argued on exactly that question.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/27/opinion/warren-supreme-court-alien-tort-law/index.html
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)or torture, or genocide.
Got it.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)If the court goes to the dark side on this, we must stop the corporations are people lie. It's apparent from the Founding Fathers that they never intended such a thing, they had an anti-corporatist bent. While this quote may be said to apply to other matters, I think it does apply here:
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson, letter to George Logan, 12 November 1816
I can't imagine how anyone could interpret this law by any standard than the original intent, it's plainly worded. The Supreme Court would be almost creating law by such an interpretation, which it was never designed to do. It also shows how crucial Supreme Court justice appointments are, as these birds are untouchable once they get there. But if they decide in the way they should, it will be liberate people not only there, but here, to resist the fascism and oppression these entities pose.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)Did BP face charges of manslaughter? Reckless endangerment? Did the CEO who cared so much about the "Small people" go to jail? charged with manslaughter, reckless endangerment? HELL NO.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)Corps. are NOT considered legal Persons in the USA, with an attached clause that says, by the Will of We The People, any Corp. can be UN-incorporated by the same Govt. System that issued them Limited Liability in the first place, and that if that were to happen, EVERY MEMBER of the Executive level management will be barred for life from EVER serving a Business as a member of Executive-level management again. If THOSE GUYS know that THEIR necks are on the block, they will start towing the line, and start blowing the whistle on all kinds of Corporate malpractices, just for the immunity from prosecution.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Wherever the word "person" appears, it must be assumed to mean "Natural person".
Thom Hartmann has good stuff on this.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)You can bet they faced suit over those deaths.
Liberal Gramma
(1,471 posts)then they should have ALL the rights and responsibilities. Let's put them in the army and ship them to Iraq.
theKed
(1,235 posts)The fact that corporations are already shipped over to Iraq with the Army is part of the problem. See: Military-Industrial Complex.