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SouthernCal_Dem
(852 posts)What a strange statement.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Jewish?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Greene'd be able to explain the many ancient threats Jews pose to good people, including the updated QAnon versions. As a Republican she doesn't have to hide behind carefully vague allusions to them.
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)(where Newt's seat is now occupied by a Democrat) We had a entire group who were secret Democrats...hubs would have lost his job I expect had anyone known. I worked elections by calling Democratic areas...we moved to Cherokee after a year... in Georgia and out of states.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And we would be if I could as my husband likes rural areas, and so does our budget.
Our kids are in Gwinnett County, though, and they're the reason we're here at all, so GA we stay. Gwinnett's Atlanta-metro, pretty diverse. Cons still dominate, but our grandson's two best friends were Vietnamese and AA until Han moved out of state. Same for good friends of the others in AR; which you wouldn't assume, but it's the Bentonville-Rogers area which gets people from all around the nation, and world. Layers and blocs of different cultures both places, consult demo maps before buying.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)I lived in Town Lake...the cheap part-wyngate.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)Nancy will put her in her place. Qanon
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catbyte
(34,449 posts)Indykatie
(3,697 posts)brush
(53,859 posts)I don't recall her making any inflammatory statements like the others have.
BGBD
(3,282 posts)still_one
(92,395 posts)mindset, and that simply is not true, and especially in regard to Rep. Presley as you point out, Presley has always walked to her own drummer
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)I think she has.
I am so proud of her here in MA. Just wish she was my congressional Rep. since Joe took off we ended up with a D, turned R to vote for Baker and then back to D. I won't forgive Joe for abandoning my very blue district to run against Markey.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Not all of them, as Pressley doesn't seem as if she's tone deaf politically.
But the other 3 members of the squad 😣
George II
(67,782 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)Based on what, exactly, Congresswoman Tlaib?
Theres a name for that, in these parts.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Mossfern
(2,552 posts)I'm Jewish and I loathe Netanyahu and the right wing Israelis and the illegal expansion into Palestinian territory. She has her first amendment rights, just as I do for calling her out on her religious bigotry.
George II
(67,782 posts)brush
(53,859 posts)her to the side and give her some advice about unwise statements dissing other Democrats.
Looks like no one has. She's still a loose cannon with her statements. This one about the new SoS is just not smart and didn't need to be put into the public sphere.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)brush
(53,859 posts)BainsBane
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in public.
brush
(53,859 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Hillary has more knowledge, intellect, experience than Rashida.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)tritsofme
(17,399 posts)Also not particularly surprising.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)It's like saying, "the sun rose this morning."
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And yes.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)He's a Jew; therefore he must be her enemy. That's bigotry. How would she feel if people said, "I hope she doesn't impose Sharia law"?
Granted, I don't follow her closely, but I've never seen her do anything but attack Democrats.
jcgoldie
(11,645 posts)People are assuming she said that because he is Jewish but that doesn't tell the story. While I do not really understand her implication that someone is going to try and infringe upon her 1st amendment rights to speech. And the cause she supports is absolutely controversial, I do not think its fair to assume she is saying what she's saying out of Anti-Semitism. Here is an article that explains why she is not a fan of this pick:
On June 17, Bidens top foreign policy adviser, Tony Blinken, declared that Biden would not tie military assistance to Israel to things like annexation or other decisions by the Israeli government with which we might disagree. This would be an important statement on any given day, but takes on added weight in the midst of the vigorous debate about Israels possible extension of sovereignty to parts of the West Bank.
https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/biden-blasts-bds-why-it-matters-632301
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Isn't it?
jcgoldie
(11,645 posts)But Blinken is likely an early sign of Biden's intentions in the region based on his past statements. The choice signals a certain path for the administration right or wrong its not just an unknown career diplomat or whatever that folks here seemed to think.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)She has a difference of opinion with Biden. I share that difference of opinion. However, I'm not worried that a Jewish Secretary of State will infringe on my First Amendment rights. The comment is bizarre to say the least.
I manage to express my opposition to US policy in Israel without conspiracy theories. I would think a US congresswoman could figure that out, but that requires her to want to do so.
Hortensis
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which she has continued during the dangerous rise in antisemitism -- both across the right and the far left -- in our nation and around the planet. Vicious and scary bedfellows.
In more decent times, bigoted politicians elected as Democrats (!) find it wise to confine their remarks to issues, leaving setting fires with bigoted tropes to Republicans and others. But in these dangerously mean times of rising extremism, these behaviors are spreading and becoming increasingly empowered.
Those who don't see what's wrong with this (or even support it!) are receiving feedback from those who do.
Metatron
(1,258 posts)re: antisemitism. I would rather be in the minority than let it slide.
jcgoldie
(11,645 posts)I'm also not assuming she said it based on anti-Semitism. See Celerity's post #117 in this thread please and thank you.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)tritsofme
(17,399 posts)jcgoldie
(11,645 posts)But its only Anti-Semitic because you are making the assumption she said it because he's Jewish.
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)This one has lost the benefit of the doubt, long ago. Her dog whistle is more like a bullhorn, we are not fooled.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)And had it not been, there would already be a deletion of clarification or apology. (It's been 12 hours.)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and not one of them is flattering.
Celerity
(43,499 posts)and Omar are amongst its biggest supporters in Congress. Blinken was also one of the biggest Syria hawks in the Obama administration (granted that has nothing to do with 1st Amendments rights, but I am sure is another point of disagreement between Blinken and Tlaib and many others.)
I am replying to this btw:
Also, Blinken was Biden's chief foreign policy advisor during the campaign, so I am sure had a hand in some of the policy points made on Biden's website:
https://joebiden.com/joe-biden-and-the-jewish-community-a-record-and-a-plan-of-friendship-support-and-action/#
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)What you posted would in no way impact her first amendment rights. We know what this is.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... she and her defenders would have a difficult time in claiming that readers are misinterpreting her words or intent. This is straight-up exactly what ordinary and rational people perceive it to be. Just absurd. Nobody should be making excuses for this.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)Bigotry. Dems dont behave like that and she needs to be called out on it.
still_one
(92,395 posts)the Secretary of State somehow has the power to even do that
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I guess my expectations are too high.
still_one
(92,395 posts)LizBeth
(9,952 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I WANT to like the Squad, I really do.
It's hard sometimes.
This is one such time.
Of many.
If you MUST make a point along these lines, you could just say something like "I will be encouraging our new SoS to hold Bibi accountable for his treatment of Palestians'
Without this 'he's going to suppress my free speech' nonsense.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Ditto.
She's not winning any points here, and it's getting to be a habit. Sometimes, it's just best to keep your mouth shut if you don't have anything constructive to say.
RockRaven
(14,998 posts)embarrassingly incoherent. Well, amongst those capable of embarrassment.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)complete and absolute ignorance of the 1st Amendment.
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)SunSeeker
(51,698 posts)BGBD
(3,282 posts)is justified....but she found a way to make it very anti-Semitic by assuming that, because Blinken is Jewish, he would somehow suppress her right to speak out..
This is just the old trope that Jews can't be loyal to the United States because of loyalty to Israel.
And to whoever surely gets to judge this post in the jury.....ask yourself if anything I said is wrong.
sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)Tech
(1,772 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... that explains the bitterness and hostility.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)2010,2014 and 2016 Demonstrate clearly the cost if we don't.
EllieBC
(3,041 posts)between someone Jewish and an Israeli. Im sure she would be delighted if people assumed all Muslims were terrorists.
still_one
(92,395 posts)msongs
(67,441 posts)Response to BlueLucy (Original post)
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still_one
(92,395 posts)comment that her first amendment rights would be infringed upon by the Blinken appointment
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JI7
(89,264 posts)succeeded on the left .
She isn't some random person in their teens or 20s just learning about the world. She is also in the US. NOt in some Muslim Country where she didn't come across different views.
These are just excuses.
Jon Stewart is a fool . He is one of those who is reluctanct to call out the Republicans as being the problem and instead says things like "congress" is the problem.
And I am from a HIndu family also and HIndu nationalists are trash .
I don't see the point of most of your comparisons .
How about just calling out shit for what it is ?
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JI7
(89,264 posts)Romney being opportunistic has nothing to do with other people being shitty fucking assholes. And I don't call people that work for corporations trash or whores.
I see no reason to feel compassion for bigots . Especially if they are members of Congress .
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EllieBC
(3,041 posts)Soft racists? How about islamophobes?
Stop making excuses for her bigotry and also her appalling lack of knowledge about the constitution and the role of the SOS.
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JI7
(89,264 posts)The reason we have so many problems it's becsuse of bigotry .
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JI7
(89,264 posts)I don't see bigots as victims. Stop making excuses for them.
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JI7
(89,264 posts)of a respectful debate as if it's just a matter of difference of opinion .
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still_one
(92,395 posts)who happens to be Jewish
She is the one doing the suggesting
This isnt the first time she has done something like this
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still_one
(92,395 posts)because it has no relation to her first amendment rights, but it is subject to various interpretations
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still_one
(92,395 posts)we engage in these debates
Take care
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Meowmee
(5,164 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)The squad has a lot to learn beyond tweeting. The same could have been put in different words like:
"Tony Blinken is an excellent choice by PE Biden. I am extremely hopeful that he will play a role in bringing equality and justice to the palestinian people."
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and isolate themselves. Others do the same thing, and then wonder "why-oh-why" don't people like me. All politicians need to think before they Tweet. Or at the very least, they should count to ten (minutes) before tweeting something impulsively. This really is a divisive Tweet and I do not understand why anyone thinks things like this are acceptable. Biden hasn't even been sworn-in yet for Pete's sake.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Demonaut
(8,926 posts)Can't stand her.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)I'm thinking she hopes the new Secretary of State overturns it.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)How would the SOS impact her ability to speak out?
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Does anyone not remember that story? I'm thinking she hopes the next SOS overturns that BDS decision.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Bringing up his religion is divisive and not fit for a Democrat.
It is shocking that people are defending her behavior on DU.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)There can be no doubt that this type of rhetoric is divisive and it will only result in continued suspicion and distrust... and being alienated and disregarded. She's not helping herself or her constituents (or our party) with Tweets like that.
All I'm trying to say is that this whole thing is just so very bizarre. It wouldn't have taken much effort to smooth things over or to even make a half-hearted "apology" (the typical "I'm sorry you were offended" kind of thing).
ripcord
(5,537 posts)The U.S., along with many other countries, are refusing to fund BDS activities, that's all.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)He has no authority to do any such thing. That was a poorly considered statement.
radius777
(3,635 posts)issue (the BDS movement, Blinken is anti-BDS) - yet she gets attacked in the typical weird ways simply for voicing her opinion - one which I don't necessarily agree with, but do agree with her right to her opinion, which is a valid political position.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Perhaps you can explain to me how a SOS could violate any ones First Amendment rights, let alone a congresswomans.
JI7
(89,264 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)They are beating a dead horse over in the UK. Whatever point they wanted to make with Corbyn, that point has already been made. Meanwhile Boris Johnson is the PM.
Boris Johnson said that seeing bunch of black kids makes alarm bells go off in his head, in old column
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-bunch-black-kids-racist-column-guardian-a9213356.html
Boris Johnson urged to apologise for 'derogatory and racist' letterboxes article
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/04/boris-johnson-urged-to-apologise-for-muslim-women-letterboxes-article
So it is pretty clear the continuation of trying destroy Corbyn is more about the socialism than with any sort of bigotry. That same Corbyn that was against apartheid in South Africa in the early 80s.
Metatron
(1,258 posts)It wasn't about destroying him. Because he wouldn't take any responsibility, let alone even acknowledge that the antisemitism had occurred under his leadership, there had to be consequences for his actions. And then to blame Starmer's people for not giving him a head's up was ridiculous.
The reason that buffoon is in Number 10 is that Corbyn was still Labour leader. But their far left (Momentum) still had control of the party and so they lost control for the next 5 years due to purity politics.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_entitled_to_my_opinion
Celerity
(43,499 posts)They simply said (in regards to the BDS movement)
they are not using a red herring at all, they are simply saying they may politically disagree on the subject, but that her stance is a valid one, which it happens to be, in this case
pro-BDS versus anti-BDS is a political issue
neither one is inherently right nor inherently wrong
it is an ideological-driven and policy-oriented set of stances, stances that are subject to political control when it comes to implementation
to out-of-hand deny anyone the right their opinion (on this particular issue, as it is the subject of debate), regardless of whether they are for BDS or against BDS, is to take an inherently anti freedom of thought and anti freedom of expression position
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Celerity
(43,499 posts)Tlaib's claim of 1st Amendment suppression. That is exactly what many anti-BDS forces want to do. They want to criminalise it. Obviously I have to add that I do not know if Blinken is one of those. I would hope he is not and would tend to seriously doubt he is.
I do agree wholeheartedly agree that Tlaib should have been more specific. It was a very poor tweet. I am not a fan of hers at all. I am not a Clinton fangirl, BUT Tlaib leading the booing of Sec. Clinton was fucking outrageous. Pure petty, shitty dross. I am adding Tlaib to Cuellar as the only 2 incumbent Dems (both are in safe seats) I would love to see primaried amd defeated. We need to find good opponents for both of them.
I do love AOC and Pressley, and I am neutral on Omar. So my Squad scorecard is 2 wins, 1 draw, and a loss, lolol.
Finally, just to be clear, I was not talking about Tlaib's claim (of suppression) at all in regards to inherent rightness or wrongness, I was talking about BDS itself, as was the poster, I am sure. Ask them (the poster) if you need clarification I suppose, but my stance is clear now hopefully.
Cheers
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)She should focus on the needs of her constituents instead. Getting into international affairs is not an average congresscritter's job. She is not on any committee that deals with foreign affairs.
radius777
(3,635 posts)of national and international significance.
She can focus on whatever she wants to.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Think a SOS will suppress their 1st Amendment rights? Why would you assume leftists know so little about with the 1a means? What a strange comment.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Tlaib's objection is to Blinken's anti-BDS stance, which some see as limiting free speech (the right to boycott).
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)How does a SOS determine what I do with my money or speech? A government policy--whether the US cuts off aid to Israel--is not one's free speech right. One's free speech rights is what one says about government policy or anything else. No one will force her or anyone else to spend her personal money on Israeli products. That a SOS carries out a President's policy that she doesn't like is not a violation of her free speech. She certainly exercised her free speech when she booed the Democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton.
I oppose US policy toward Israel, but I don't have bizarre views about the 1A. I also manage to express my opposition without blowing dog whistles or engaging in conspiracy theories.
Additionally, Tlaib's problem is with Biden, since the policy is his. Yet it's the Jew she thinks will control her. Another poster here has linked that to long-standing tropes.
People are reacting because her comment is bizarre. Your defense of it is strained, to say the least.
radius777
(3,635 posts)The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS) is a Palestinian-led[6] movement promoting boycotts, divestments and sanctions against Israel. Its objective is to pressure Israel to meet what it describes as Israel's obligations under international law,[7] defined as withdrawal from the occupied territories, removal of the separation barrier in the West Bank, full equality for Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel, and "respecting, protecting, and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties".[7] The movement is organized and coordinated by the Palestinian BDS National Committee.[8]
BDS is modeled after the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa.[9] Its proponents compare the Palestinians' plight to that of apartheid-era black South Africans.[10] Protests and conferences in support of the movement have been held in several countries.[citation needed] Its mascot, which features on its logotype, is Handala, a symbol of Palestinian identity and defiance.[11]
Critics say that BDS is antisemitic,[12] delegitimizes Israel,[13] and resembles historical discrimination against Jews.[14][15][16][17][18] Countering BDS is a top priority for the Israel lobby; it has successfully lobbied for laws targeting BDS supporters in many U.S. states.[19]
The pro-BDS movement (such as Tlaib and most pro-Palestinian leftists) views the anti-BDS people as attempting to limit their free speech.
Again, I support the nomination of Blinken. But was simply pointing out that Tlaib is not a radical or antisemite in expressing the view she does.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Calling someone anti-Semitic, even if untrue, is not a violation of free speech. It's an opinion, even if a rather unfortunate one in the case of opposition to US policy toward Israel.
As an aside, one point I always make about the US pro-Likud policy and claims that opposition to it are anti-Semitic is that there is a sizable portion of Israelis who likewise oppose settlement policy and Likud more broadly. I point out that a broader range of opinion is seen as acceptable within Israel than in the US. I don't like the claims that opposing Likud is anti-Semitic, but I never claimed that view to be a violation of my 1a rights because it's not.
What is evident on the part of the view you defend is a shocking unfamiliarity with the First Amendment. If, as you say, these views are prevalent among "all leftists," people have some serious need of basic civics education.
Your entry does not serve your argument, at all. It relies on the right-wing notion that criticism is a violation of one's First Amendment rights.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Anti-BDS laws and resolutions are laws and resolutions to oppose boycotts of Israel. The name comes from the BDS movement, which calls for boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel to pressure Israel to meet what it describes as Israel's obligations under international law.[1] Anti-BDS laws are designed to make it difficult for people and organizations to participate in boycotts of Israel while anti-BDS resolutions are symbolic and non-binding parliamentary condemnations, either of boycotts of Israel or of BDS itself. Generally, such condemnations accuse BDS of being anti-Semitic and are often followed by laws targeting boycotts of Israel.
Proponents of anti-BDS laws claim that BDS is a form of anti-Semitism, and so such laws legislate against hate speech. Opponents claim that Israel and its supporters are engaging in lawfare by lobbying for anti-BDS laws that infringe upon the right to free speech.[2]
The specific provisions of anti-BDS laws varies widely.
Anti-BDS laws in the United States
As of 2020, 32 states have passed bills and executive orders designed to discourage boycotts of Israel.[3] The majority of them have been passed with broad bipartisan support.[citation needed] Most anti-BDS laws have taken one of two forms: contract-focused laws requiring government contractors to promise that they are not boycotting Israel; and investment-focused laws, mandating public investment funds to avoid entities boycotting Israel.[4] There has been debate over whether the laws violate the First Amendment-protected right to free speech. Many of the laws have been challenged in court cases, mainly from organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Council on AmericanIslamic Relations (CAIR).[5]
According to University of Maryland's Critical Issues Poll from October 2019, a majority of Americans oppose anti-BDS laws; 72% opposed laws penalizing people who boycott Israel and 22% supported such laws. The poll also found a strong partisan divide on BDS; among those who had heard of BDS, 76% of Republicans opposed the movement, while 48% of Democrats supported it.[6] In a 2019 poll from Data for Progress 35% to 27% opposed anti-BDS laws. Split by party affiliation, 48% of Democrats opposed anti-BDS laws and 15% supported them; 27% of Republicans opposed anti-BDS laws and 44% supported them. 70%-80% believed boycotts were a legitimate protest tactic.[7]
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Post 50 says Biden will reject the BDS movement. It doesn't mention passing any laws.
It took you a while to get to it, but I now see how this could be a violation of the First Amendment. How that rests on Blinken's appointment, however, is another matter. Laws are passed by congress, not the SoS.
Celerity
(43,499 posts)The OP poisoned the well of debate by inferring that it was simply due to antisemitism and ignoring the policy history of both Tlaib and Blinken on the subject of BDS (regardless of where you come down on the issue)
The OP also did not take care to even spell Blinken's name correctly (not that it has material impact on their positing)
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Celerity
(43,499 posts)subjects of said OP, simple as that. I have said the same about Stacey Abrams (so often misspelt as Stacy). I suppose it is a character defect of mine to be annoyed by it. I shall endeavour to be less snarky.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Celerity
(43,499 posts)Damn impulses, lolol.
hugz
Cel
Paladin
(28,272 posts)In the extraordinarily unlikely event that Mr. Blinken suppresses your constitutional rights, we'll be here to listen and respond. Up until then, don't embarrass yourself.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)which in her case predates the current issue.
It's entirely possible to be a person of good will toward all men and to fight to end the plight of the Palestinians, with various plans for how best to do that. Hundreds of millions around the planet are.
Many millions of Israeli Jews are. The Israeli versions of our trumpsters and other religious and racist bigots are the problem, because in these mean times the mean people have been prevailing there as they have here.
Tlaib, unfortunately, is not. She wants the state of Israel eliminated and the Jews gone. However much I might wish that the Jewish diaspora had been to part of Germany to establish a homeland there, it wasn't, and what it would take to destroy the state of Israel is extremism from any angle.
One could say she's not really for that -- because, after all, it's impossible! -- but what if it seemed to become...possible, perhaps as the ME continues to destabilize over the coming decades? What will people like her call for as fresh water, livable and arable lands, and wealth disappear and the whole region threatens to go up in climate flames?
People who mistake bad trouble for good and religious bigotry for truth need to be contained, not excused. There are plenty here who have no trouble recognizing those syndromes in passionate Christian nationalists, but they're hardly limited to one religion or one ethnicity.
brush
(53,859 posts)and have for what seems forever, but it may not always be thus. Tlaib is a loose cannon with much to learn.
AmericanCanuck
(1,102 posts)Even Arab countries are slowly normalizing relations with Israel.
Palestinians have themselves to blame. They had their best agreement in hand at Camp David and they rejected it.
Their all or nothing approach is diplomatically unsound and gets no one's sympathy.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)when there at least a dozen Democrats to choose from.
Is it possible her tweet was not an unhinged reaction to Blinken's religion/ethnicity but instead a reaction to his record as Deputy Secretary of State under the Obama Admin?
I don't know anything about Blinken's record or Tlaib's, to be honest. I'm simply wondering why everyone assumes the worst regarding her intentions.
It would be wrong for Tlaib to make snap judgments based on Blinken's heritage, and just as wrong for us to immediately assume that Tlaib, a Palestinian-American Muslim, is a bigot when discussing Netanyahu or Israel.
Cha
(297,655 posts)"Blinken's record" if you don't know anything about it?
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Dept SOS and I'm sure Tlaib is more familiar with his record than most of us. Her tweet may have been a reaction to specific comments or actions he took during that role. It's either that or that she's an anti-semitic Bernie supporter?
Cha
(297,655 posts)aidbo
(2,328 posts)Hekate
(90,793 posts)...makes it damn difficult.
Like the time early on when one of them said of another Democratic American Jew, Its all about the Benjamins, in another unthinking and very ancient anti-Semitic trope.
It isnt clever to substitute the Benjamins for rubbing ones fingers and muttering money-grubbing, and it isnt humorous to question to which country they are loyal when they are an American sworn to high office.
Oh, I sure hope the Congresswoman isnt intending to try to impose Sharia Law on us. Yeah, it really is that nasty.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Where do people come up with these rash accusations about which they know nothing?
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Im pretty sure that if Rashida Tlaib ever joined DU, that post of hers would be deleted by a jury.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)I really dont want to be alerted on but that really pisses me off and i wish i knew how far I could give my opinion.
DFW
(54,436 posts)Just go to dalton99as post with the interview in France, and listen to it. If Rashida understands no French, she should get someone who does, find out his views, and THEN make comments. Since he is about five times as smart as she is, she might refrain from making remarks that refer, even if indirectly, to his ethnic make-up before listening to him speak.