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If a president can pardon himself/herself, why not pardon yourself as soon as you are sworn in? (Original Post) Solomon Nov 2020 OP
i do not think one can pardon themselves..they are creating an untouchable entity.. samnsara Nov 2020 #1
Assuming they can...they can't pardon for future crimes. NYC Liberal Nov 2020 #2
Because of all the crimes you're going to commit in office Cosmo Blues Nov 2020 #3
Because criminals who become President are usually LuvNewcastle Nov 2020 #4
I rather hope Trump tries kurtcagle Nov 2020 #5
If the SC approves Trump pardoning himself, can they limit it to a one-time occurrence? keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #6
Yep. Why not pardon yourself after every crime? Solomon Nov 2020 #7
Partly... keithbvadu2 Nov 2020 #8

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
2. Assuming they can...they can't pardon for future crimes.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:54 PM
Nov 2020

They can only pardon for crimes already committed even if there hasn’t been an indictment or conviction.

Cosmo Blues

(2,493 posts)
3. Because of all the crimes you're going to commit in office
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:55 PM
Nov 2020

So you do it at the end if that's legal. Most don't think it is legal or constitutional so look for president Pence the last couple of days of Trump's presidency

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
4. Because criminals who become President are usually
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:02 PM
Nov 2020

just getting started when they take the oath of office. The serious criminality is to take place while in office. Through the years, they've made it so that a President can't be charged for a crime while in office, so he doesn't need the pardon until he leaves.

kurtcagle

(1,604 posts)
5. I rather hope Trump tries
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:15 PM
Nov 2020

The pardon was originally seen as an act of compassion on the part of a benevolent ruler, based upon the notion of clemency on the part of governors. The idea is that a person who commits a crime may end up performing certain acts later that at least partially mitigate the committing of the crime. However, it has increasingly come under criticism given the fact that should a president commit conspiracy, they can use the pardon to exonerate themselves either directly or indirectly (through a proxy, such as a vice president). Should Trump pardon himself, then the new AG SHOULD take this to the SCOTUS with the argument that the intent of the constitution is being violated.

As has been observed more than once on DU, having been appointed to the SC, the judges at this point DO have a lifetime appointment, meaning that their positions are more or less immune to anything that Trump attempts. This means that SCOTUS may in fact use this opportunity to clarify and limit the scope of pardons, as it falls within the judicial branch. This would be far faster than attempting to set up a constitutional amendment to deal with it.

keithbvadu2

(36,917 posts)
6. If the SC approves Trump pardoning himself, can they limit it to a one-time occurrence?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:06 PM
Nov 2020

If the SC approves Trump pardoning himself, can they limit it to a one-time occurrence?

Back in the dusty cobwebs, I think I remember a court limiting a decision to just a single situation.

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