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Why does Killa Con need to think about pardoning himself? (Original Post) malaise Nov 2020 OP
rationalization will be mean democrats will make everything up beachbumbob Nov 2020 #1
It's amazing to me that this question isn't being asked. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #2
Precisely - Matt Gaetz what are you accusing him of - why does he need pardon? malaise Nov 2020 #4
Well said Cirque du So-What Nov 2020 #3
He could Pardon himself and then refuse to accept it. safeinOhio Nov 2020 #5
Thanks for this great post malaise Nov 2020 #6
Sweet soothsayer Nov 2020 #7
He knows we've got a suite reserved for him at Gitmo. But he forgot that a state-level court abqtommy Nov 2020 #8
I'd say that it's an open admission of guilt. panader0 Nov 2020 #9
Interesting colsohlibgal Nov 2020 #10
A great new reality show would be Trump in Prison. panader0 Nov 2020 #12
Yeah he's Donkey Kong Shermann Nov 2020 #11

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
2. It's amazing to me that this question isn't being asked.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:27 AM
Nov 2020

If he's innocent, he wouldn't need a pardon. So, the fact that this question is constantly being asked just goes to show that he is guilty of something or somethings--and everyone fucking knows it.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
4. Precisely - Matt Gaetz what are you accusing him of - why does he need pardon?
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:32 AM
Nov 2020

Why does he think Killa Con needs to pardon himself?

In fact Dems need to be tweeting all day asking Matt Gaetz this question. Is he suggesting that his beloved Killa Con is guilty - of what?

Cirque du So-What

(25,972 posts)
3. Well said
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:28 AM
Nov 2020

May the remainder of his days be spent in dread of government agencies and civil lawyers breathing down his neck.

safeinOhio

(32,714 posts)
5. He could Pardon himself and then refuse to accept it.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 10:35 AM
Nov 2020

Timothy Simons, History teacher (retired)
Updated March 1, 2019 · Author has 2.7K answers and 8M answer views
A person may refuse a presidential pardon, and for some good reasons. In the case of Burdick v. the Untied States (1915) the US supreme court decided that a pardon is not an absolution of a crime, rather it is an act of grace. A pardon carries an imputation of guilt, and accepting the pardon carries a confession of guilt.

Burdick refused President Wilson’s pardon. He was a newspaper editor who had been jailed for contempt of court, because he refused to disclose his sources in a damaging scandal involving corruption in the Treasury Department. His refusal of the pardon also confirmed the power of the free press. Hundreds of newspapers published the Treasury corruption story, daring the US government to throw them in jail with Burdick. Burdick was released.

That is why president Trump started being very careful with his pardons of people involved in his scandals. If he pardons them, and they accept it, they have admitted guilt to the crimes they may have committed. Then they can be called to the stand again and forced to testify (against Trump) without the ability to use the protections of the 5th amendment against self incrimination. They have been pardoned, and would suffer no penalty if incriminated, but they can be jailed for refusing to testify, which is contempt of court, or jailed for committing perjury.

Great times to be a lawyer.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
8. He knows we've got a suite reserved for him at Gitmo. But he forgot that a state-level court
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:24 AM
Nov 2020

can send him there too.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
9. I'd say that it's an open admission of guilt.
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:25 AM
Nov 2020

I've been guilty of a few things in my life, but they're all past the statute of limitations.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
10. Interesting
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:27 AM
Nov 2020

Yep if he pardons himself that surely seems like an admission of guilt.

The reassuring thing is even if he does it matters not to New York, they are primed and ready to go after him.

The thought of that horrible excuse for a Human in an Orange Jumpsuit is a nice picture in my mind’s eye.

Shermann

(7,428 posts)
11. Yeah he's Donkey Kong
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:34 AM
Nov 2020

The good news is that Biden is one hell of a barrel-jumper! Remarkable at his age.

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