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Firestorm49

(4,037 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 01:07 PM Dec 2020

Can a President reverse a pardon issued by a previous President?

I’m not familiar with the law in this regard. If this is an issue of precedence (tradition?) rather than established law, could Biden, in fact, reverse the pardon on someone like Flynn. If it has never been done before, can it be done at all?

Please excuse my misunderstanding of “precedent” as well, as I may be talking in circles.

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Can a President reverse a pardon issued by a previous President? (Original Post) Firestorm49 Dec 2020 OP
No MissB Dec 2020 #1
Thanks Firestorm49 Dec 2020 #3
It's a useful power MissB Dec 2020 #7
Why It Might Be Impossible To Overturn A Presidential Pardon NurseJackie Dec 2020 #2
The key word here is "might." Firestorm49 Dec 2020 #6
Hope springs eternal, I suppose. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #15
Wouldn't this be double jeopardy which is precluded in our Bill of Rights? CTyankee Dec 2020 #4
no. Voltaire2 Dec 2020 #16
Not likely. The president's pardon power has always been considered absolute. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #5
I'm thinking of the controversial things that Trump has done to break tradition. He set the tone. Firestorm49 Dec 2020 #9
His are not the first controversial pardon Lochloosa Dec 2020 #12
Marc Rich pardon Pantagruel Dec 2020 #13
Be that as it may, the pardon was very controversial at the time, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #14
No. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #8
Has it ever been challenged? Firestorm49 Dec 2020 #10
There is nothing to challenge. A president's power to pardon is unlimited... Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #21
Not an attorney but for those more learned, PRETZEL Dec 2020 #11
A President can reverse it duforsure Dec 2020 #17
Many thanks Firestorm49 Dec 2020 #18
A pardon can't be rescinded once granted StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19
I disagree. A pardon can't be overturned. Also, it has never been decided it a president can Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #22
I think the other poster is saying it can be done but it wouldn't hold up in court. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2020 #23
No, but an unlawful pardon could be overturned in court Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #20

MissB

(15,812 posts)
7. It's a useful power
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 01:11 PM
Dec 2020

Even though it can be abused.

Assume that Biden doesn’t run for a second term but Harris does and wins. During the lame duck session Biden can pardon anyone he wants, including someone that he may think was wrongly convicted (like say Reality Winner, but that’s not a comment by me, just an example).

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,866 posts)
5. Not likely. The president's pardon power has always been considered absolute.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 01:09 PM
Dec 2020

Marc Rich, Clinton's very controversial pardonee, probably would have been un-pardoned by Bush if it were possible.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
13. Marc Rich pardon
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 01:33 PM
Dec 2020

If you really investigate that incredibly complicated case and pardon, my conclusion agrees with Bubba-the pardon though adjudged non-criminal, was not worth the damage to his reputation.The facts support Rich's claims of innocence to a large extent.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,866 posts)
14. Be that as it may, the pardon was very controversial at the time,
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 01:36 PM
Dec 2020

and Bush probably would have undone it if he could have.

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
21. There is nothing to challenge. A president's power to pardon is unlimited...
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:41 PM
Dec 2020

By definition, a pardon is permanent.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
11. Not an attorney but for those more learned,
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 01:21 PM
Dec 2020

has this ever been put to the test.

We all know there have been more than a fair share of pardons that are questionable at best, but has the question ever been litigated if a pardon issued in furtherance of a crime (in this case I'm thinking Flynn and possible obstruction of justice) which could possibly invalidate a pardon?

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
17. A President can reverse it
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 02:22 PM
Dec 2020

But it would be challenged , but if he was part of the crimes with the person pardoned
, or illegal acts to get it, bribes , etc. and would be challenged to the Supreme Court, where in certain cases it could be possible. The President can't pardon himself, but he could do it trying to escape justice, just like that would be challenged. So is it legal, we could see. That would also give the President the ability to pardon his criminal associates he's committed crimes with, and the Supreme Court would lose their power from allowing it, and they could then be bypassed. So , yes i think that could be done , and accepted after challenged, or the criminals will be taking over.

Demsrule86

(68,691 posts)
22. I disagree. A pardon can't be overturned. Also, it has never been decided it a president can
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:43 PM
Dec 2020

pardon himself...just impeachment was mentioned...and with a right wing SCOTUS, they may very well give the president this power.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,343 posts)
23. I think the other poster is saying it can be done but it wouldn't hold up in court.
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 11:50 PM
Dec 2020

I wouldn’t put it past some clown like Trump to try something like that. Heck, he might even do it in a tweet and make it all legal like by throwing in a “hereby”

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
20. No, but an unlawful pardon could be overturned in court
Tue Dec 1, 2020, 03:14 PM
Dec 2020

Overturning a presidential pardon has never been tested AFAIK, but Barr himself said a pardon for making false statements would be a crime.

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