trump pardoning his kids

[rdking647]

lets say trump pardons his kids.
courts have already said accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt

lets say his kids are then indicted in state charges that the pardons dont cover.

could the acceptance of the pardon be used as evidence of their guilt on the state charges?

[beachbumbob]

1. the trump family would have to a "pre-emptive" pardon that does not exist

and no court would validate. But yes, a pardon is typically based on the admission of guilt to the underlying crime.

[Lochloosa]

4. Nixon received one

[beachbumbob]

5. it was NEVER tested in court and had a defined period of time associated with it. So if trump

follows the nixon pardon, the pre-emeptive pardon would exempt indictments that occurred with criminal activity while trump was president and could not extend before he took office for crimes or extend past Jan 20th, 2021,

either way, I do not see ANY court upholding a get out free pardon for any crime committed in a lifetime that is unknown at time of the pardon. It sets new "specail above the law" scenario.

I always felt democrats missed the boat in not testing out Nixon's pardon in the courts

[hlthe2b]

2. IF (and that is a big IF) the judge allowed in fact of pardon as evidence of "pattern of behavior"

that could make a difference in a state prosecution. However, my guess is that a judge would not and not only because the pardoned "crime(s)" was not specified nor prosecuted.

[PoliticAverse]

3. The statement of the court that "acceptance a confession of (guilt)"

was something that needs to eventually be clarified as it simply isn't true. Can someone wrongly convicted
not accept a pardon without admitting guilt?

[beachbumbob]

6. a pardon can be unconditional so it kinda clears the record like an exoneration

what trump is looking is to bypass the basic premise that pardons are for convictions

[PoliticAverse]

8. That hasn't been a premise for a while. Nixon was pardoned without conviction...

and thousands of "draft dodgers" were also for example.

[beachbumbob]

10. his pardon had a "time period" that crimes unknown while he was in office, it would NOT exempt him

if crimes were done before that date or committed after that date. Never was court tested. A democratic mistake for sure

[Johnny2X2X]

7. The Trumps don't understand how Pardons work at all

Don't underestimate Donald's stupidity. People have probably tried to explain pardons to him, but he's probably still thinking that a presidential pardon can excuse he and his kids from all legal consequences for any actions they've ever taken in the past present or future. He has no clue what they mean or how they work.

[kentuck]

9. How would you know what the pardon is for if it is not stated in the pardon?

Logic would say that a person would have to be charged with a specific crime or admits to the crime, in order to receive a pardon.

A blanket pardon does not seem legal, in my opinion, but maybe there has never been a ruling on it?

[beachbumbob]

11. look at the text of the Nixon pardon

[PoliticAverse]

12. For more than you might want to know on the legal history of pardons, see...

The President’s Pardon Power and Legal Effects on Collateral Consequences
Congressional Research Service (2016)
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44571.pdf

[NoRoadUntravelled]

13. Desperate tRump attempting desperate measures.

Wow. Wouldn't wannabe dictators love to become President of the United States knowing they could just pardon their family and others in advance of any charges being levied?