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Celerity

(51,143 posts)
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:35 PM Dec 2020

Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers: "$2,000 checks would be a pretty serious mistake."

He is not even really for the 600 USD cheques.




"$2,000 checks would be a pretty serious mistake."

Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers says larger stimulus checks to Americans could risk overheating the economy
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Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers: "$2,000 checks would be a pretty serious mistake." (Original Post) Celerity Dec 2020 OP
Okay wryter2000 Dec 2020 #1
He has always been a blustery jerk. Polly Hennessey Dec 2020 #2
You mean the same "mistake" as all of these other countries? PSPS Dec 2020 #3
Asking because I don't know. Did everyone get $2000 in Canada, or just unemployed? Hoyt Dec 2020 #11
Probably just unemployed Disaffected Dec 2020 #22
Summers was one of... JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #4
He thinks if we "overheat" the bottom of the economy... Wounded Bear Dec 2020 #5
How can it be a bad idea? Cracklin Charlie Dec 2020 #21
Overheat the economy? LuvNewcastle Dec 2020 #6
Hopefully everyone knows what a POS he is. ismnotwasm Dec 2020 #7
I saw on MSNBC earlier that between 5 and 10 million people are facing eviction in the next 90 days Celerity Dec 2020 #10
Can't have the poor getting all uppity and stuff. durablend Dec 2020 #8
Yes, whereas throwing money away to cruise lines and airlines and other dying corporations . . . Journeyman Dec 2020 #9
Summers is a fucking asshole who couldn't even run Harvard U TeamPooka Dec 2020 #12
What economy???? roamer65 Dec 2020 #13
Lol, but more tax cuts for the rich are good Drahthaardogs Dec 2020 #14
A man who managed to rise to his level of incompetance. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2020 #15
Falling Upward: The Surprising Survival of Larry Summers Celerity Dec 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #16
"We didn't ask for this shit sandwich." No, we certainly did not. sprinkleeninow Dec 2020 #25
he prefers the economy to be stone cold. Like the little people. JDC Dec 2020 #17
I'll take "Pompous Clueless Assholes Past Their Sell-by Date" For $500, please! hatrack Dec 2020 #18
Larry,STFU! Wellstone ruled Dec 2020 #19
Take your neoliberal austerity bullshit and shove it up your ass Larry. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2020 #23
Simple problem to solve. If the economy "overheats", raise taxes on the rich and interest rates. Yavin4 Dec 2020 #24
I think I know where he got this attitude DFW Dec 2020 #26
Is he the reason I still see people call Democrats "neoliberals"? betsuni Dec 2020 #27
Truly disconnected to think the economy is hot right now or a peak wont avg out over time uponit7771 Dec 2020 #28
He's Been Wrong Before ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #29
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Asking because I don't know. Did everyone get $2000 in Canada, or just unemployed?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:58 PM
Dec 2020

If everyone got $2000, then our stimulus sucked royally.

If it was only for unemployed, then we paid more with the feds paying $600 week, plus $200 to $300 a week from states. That’s at least as long as it lasted. Not saying that’s enough, or what should be done right now to help people still unemployment or becoming unemployed.

Disaffected

(5,784 posts)
22. Probably just unemployed
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:25 AM
Dec 2020

and under employed due to the pandemic. Certainly not everyone (or mine's lost in the mail somewhere).

Wounded Bear

(62,584 posts)
5. He thinks if we "overheat" the bottom of the economy...
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:43 PM
Dec 2020

the upper 1% might have their economy cool off.

Or something like that.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
21. How can it be a bad idea?
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:18 AM
Dec 2020

Almost every one of those dollars will go directly into the real economy, not to buy another yacht no one needs. Or a fancy garage full of motor cars that no one drives.

It will go to grocers, landlords, local business, and gas stations. Larry knows this.

LuvNewcastle

(17,334 posts)
6. Overheat the economy?
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:44 PM
Dec 2020

Like it's so fucking hot now that those checks would burn it right up! People are going to pay bills to keep from having their utilities turned off and getting their cars fixed and that kind of thing, not buying superfluous shit. Jeez!

ismnotwasm

(42,652 posts)
7. Hopefully everyone knows what a POS he is.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:44 PM
Dec 2020

I don’t know what $2000.00 would do to the current economic situation, but I know without help people are going to suffer

Celerity

(51,143 posts)
10. I saw on MSNBC earlier that between 5 and 10 million people are facing eviction in the next 90 days
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:58 PM
Dec 2020

without some sort of direct intervention.

Even adjusting for population that is well over a million people in the UK, or in France, or in Germany. 8 to 16 million or more for Europe as a whole (depending on what you count as Europe).

If that many people were tossed out into the streets en masse over 90 days here, you would have crazy riots and general strikes in the nations, and across the continent, if it was spread out to the entire European populace.

durablend

(8,434 posts)
8. Can't have the poor getting all uppity and stuff.
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:45 PM
Dec 2020

Clearly they need to know their place in society as useless eaters wasting space.

Journeyman

(15,362 posts)
9. Yes, whereas throwing money away to cruise lines and airlines and other dying corporations . . .
Fri Dec 25, 2020, 11:52 PM
Dec 2020

is a wise and prudent use of the money that could keep people alive and families together.

roamer65

(37,681 posts)
13. What economy????
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:00 AM
Dec 2020

If you can’t revive an “economy” with ZIRP, it means that there is little to no economy left.

That is result of massive exportation of industries and labor.

$2000 won’t even generate a blip on economic growth.

Celerity

(51,143 posts)
20. Falling Upward: The Surprising Survival of Larry Summers
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:10 AM
Dec 2020
The surprising survival of a rebranded Larry Summers, who once again is counseling a Democratic presidential candidate

https://prospect.org/economy/falling-upward-larry-summers/

Larry Summers’s public career has been marked by a carnival of policy debacles, punctuated by his brief, accident-prone tenure as president of Harvard. Yet, at 65, he is once again a senior economic adviser to another prospective Democratic president—one who has gingerly embraced transformative policies that Summers has long opposed. Joe Biden and his handlers are aware that Summers is radioactive to much of the Democratic coalition. His campaign has downplayed Summers’s role. In fact, Summers is not only part of Biden’s senior economics policy team, but he is able to end-run other advisers and have one-on-one conversations directly with the former vice president.

Though much has been written about Summers, it’s worth reviewing the dynamics of his influence, serial repositioning, and uncanny survival. The more mistakes Summers makes, the more he is treated as a seer. This is a complex man, with a brilliant mind and nimble political skills. He has powerful patrons and protégés. Perhaps most importantly, his views are very congenial to powerful financial elites, who have a great deal to lose should Joe Biden turn out to be another Franklin Roosevelt. Summers has already held the two top Cabinet jobs on economic policy: Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton, and director of the National Economic Council for Barack Obama. The career-capper post that has eluded him twice is Federal Reserve chair. He’s positioning himself through a familiar Summers tactic: wholesale image transformation.

Since exiting government in 2011, Summers has been engaged in a rebranding exercise, positioning himself well to the left of policies he espoused and carried out while he enjoyed actual power. A Summers trademark is never to apologize for mistakes earlier in his career, and to spin the truth to make his actual views sound different from what they were. But the one area where he has neither altered his views, nor claimed different ones, is financial deregulation. Summers, unrepentant, continues to view it as his supreme accomplishment. That alone should give Joe Biden pause. Summers was born into economic royalty. Two of his uncles, Kenneth Arrow and Paul Samuelson, are Nobel laureates, both left of center. His parents, Robert Summers and Anita Arrow Summers, are also economists. His early work on economic theory and practice, which won him a John Bates Clark Medal for the most outstanding economist under age 40, often assessed how markets in practice were not as self-correcting as they are in theory.

But as a young professor at Harvard, while keeping some ties to more moderate economists, Summers attached himself to Martin Feldstein, the campus doyen of free-market advocates. When Milton Friedman died in 2006, Summers gave a gushing eulogy, declaring, “Any honest Democrat will admit that we are all now Friedmanites.” That certainly describes the Summers wing of the Democratic Party. We will soon find out whether it describes Biden. Feldstein, who chaired Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers, gave the young Summers a staff job in 1982–1983. In the 1988 presidential campaign, Summers burnished his Democratic credentials by advising Michael Dukakis. In the meantime, having been introduced by a former student working at Goldman Sachs, he had struck up a friendship with Robert Rubin. The two men were taken with each other. Summers was fascinated to watch a master trader at close range, and Rubin admired Summers’s brilliant capacity to rationalize Goldman’s activities as sound economics.

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sprinkleeninow

(21,336 posts)
25. "We didn't ask for this shit sandwich." No, we certainly did not.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 02:29 AM
Dec 2020

A psychologist was on the other night. She seeing an increase in depression, stress, anxiety, etc. "We weren't meant to live this way" she said.

hatrack

(63,128 posts)
18. I'll take "Pompous Clueless Assholes Past Their Sell-by Date" For $500, please!
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 12:37 AM
Dec 2020

Fuck off, you peck of butt-parsnips.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
19. Larry,STFU!
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:02 AM
Dec 2020

You are a Typical New England Snob. Just another Supply Sider pretending to be a liberal. You can not stand to be any where near a Working Man or Women.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
24. Simple problem to solve. If the economy "overheats", raise taxes on the rich and interest rates.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 01:32 AM
Dec 2020

Problem sovled. Or, am I wrong?

DFW

(58,592 posts)
26. I think I know where he got this attitude
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 03:23 AM
Dec 2020

I met his mom once in the late 1990s. Very snobby, elite, „my son can do no wrong“ stance. I‘m sure he grew up believing it, too.

I am no economist, but $2000 a month to someone who has zero income and rent to pay, as well as a need to eat on occasion, will not flood the economy of any major western industrialized nation with excess spending power. The Dow will not jump to 35,000 overnight just because fifteen million Americans avoid getting tossed into the street in the middle of the winter. If Summers were one of them, he‘d get the hint pretty quickly, but those are circles in which he will never travel.

uponit7771

(93,104 posts)
28. Truly disconnected to think the economy is hot right now or a peak wont avg out over time
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 09:33 AM
Dec 2020

ProfessorGAC

(73,761 posts)
29. He's Been Wrong Before
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 10:13 AM
Dec 2020

Plenty of times and very wrong. This is just another example.
Stiglitz & Krugman routinely disagreed with him on matters, and I trust the judgment of those 2 far, far more.
The only smart thing he ever said was his criticism of 43's deregulation mob with regard to AIG.
Other than that, not so much.

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