April Ryan, just now: Congressional leaders in an undisclosed location & focusing on 25th Amendment

[highplainsdem]

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[wryter2000]

1. I don't think the Congress can do that

Am I wrong?

[Raven123]

3. You are wrong. I believe vp and congress can invoke the 25th

[wryter2000]

9. I thought the cabinet did it

Whoever is in charge should do it stat.

[Raven123]

15. Either can as i understand

Artcicle 25 Section 4. Whenever the VP and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments of of such other body as Congress may by law provide ... it goes on, but I think this is what you are asking.

[onenote]

19. Congress would have to pass a law designating a body to make the decision along with the VP

And Trump could and would sit on the bill for ten days and then veto it. At which point Congress would have to vote again and override it. I think its far from clear that they could do so successfully.

[wnylib]

53. On another thread, a poster put up

the wording of the 25th. If I remember correctly, the VP and a majority of the cabinet initiate the procedure. Then it goes to the president pro tempore and Congress follows through with the legal steps.

[gldstwmn]

58. Yes. Pence realizes he is in very

real danger for the next two weeks.

[hatrack]

5. Cabinet decision

Impeachment?

[DonaldsRump]

12. There are several different ways under the 25th Amendment

Presidential Disability and Succession

Passed by Congress July 6, 1965. Ratified February 10, 1967. The 25th Amendment changed a portion of Article II, Section 1

Section 1
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

[onetexan]

24. Section 4!! Do it right away. We are in crisis!

[reACTIONary]

44. Congress has not provided for an alternative body....

... there were proposals for such a law, but nothing was passed.

[obamanut2012]

23. VP, Pro Temp, and SOTH can also do it

[OMGWTF]

46. Rep Ilhan Omar is drawing up Articles of Impeachment

[Massacure]

14. The 25th amendment states the cabinet or some "such other body Congress by law may provide"

That said, I'm unaware of of any law previous passed that would allow a body other than the cabinet to remove the President

[tinrobot]

17. Correct. Congress has never created that body.

[obamanut2012]

22. It only takes the VP, Pro Temp, and SOTH

To do it.

[tblue37]

26. And a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress.

[whopis01]

41. Not exactly - I thought that as well at first.

The President is immediately removed from power, and will be restored to power if both Houses don't make it permanent by a two-thirds vote. There is a 21 day period for that to happen, which would run out the clock on his term.

So, due to the time left, it could be used to remove him for the rest of the term without that vote ever happening.

[appmanga]

28. You are correct. It takes the VP...

...and a majority of the Cabinet. They notify the Senate President Pro Tem and the Speaker of the House, and the VP immediately becomes Acting President.

[BainsBane]

55. the cabinet votes on the 25th

and congress can encourage them to do so.

[MoonchildCA]

2. Please let this be true.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Trump is a danger to the US right now. He is a security risk.

Take a look at Cruz and Halley too.
Benedict Arnolds.

[birdographer]

50. Hawley wil be our new smart trump

Please let's stop him.

[Irish_Dem]

51. He gambled big today, and lost big. I think he is finished. nt

[Midnight Writer]

6. Impeach. Voice vote in House, send to new Senate immediately.

If nothing else, we get the ratfuckers on record.

Don't let them move on from this.

Ever.

[Under The Radar]

7. I hope that is just step 1. Step 2 better be custody without bail

... for him and his enablers for an attack on the United states

[DURHAM D]

8. .

[lindysalsagal]

10. They can counsel the cabinet to do it.

Rachel asking rep Galleo about it now.

[Funtatlaguy]

11. 25th Amendment would need Pence and the Cabinets ok.

[handmade34]

13. someone needs to get rid of trump

I am livid

[triron]

25. I am for that. Won't say how though.

[cbdo2007]

16. Good, the VP and Congress have the power to do this.

[onenote]

20. Congress would have to pass a law. Trump would wait ten days and veto it

And then Congress would have to override the veto, which is far from certain.

[Old Crow]

27. I don't think you're correct in this.

The VP and cabinet can remove a president who's lost his mind, so to speak, swiftly. I don't believe the framers of the constitution required a minimum 10-day waiting period to remove a president who's gone berserk. That defies common sense.

[whopis01]

43. If the VP and cabinet agree, that is the case.

If the cabinet doesn't agree, then it can only be done if Congress creates a body for that purpose, by law. Since that law has not been enacted it would have to go through the standard procedure, which would take at least 10 days in this case.

I believe the other poster's argument was that Congress and the VP can do it without the cabinet - which is true, but only after that law has been created.

[onenote]

49. I was addressing the alternative to having the cabinet support the VP.

See Post 16.

[Old Crow]

60. Understood now; thanks. (N/T)

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. I am definitely in favor of this, and the sooner the better! n/t

[AntiFascist]

21. Great to hear! n/t

[BlueIdaho]

29. I give him 48 Hours.

Word is - he has gone berserk.

[housecat]

31. How can we get him into a straight jacket?

[BlueIdaho]

36. Better living through chemistry.

[housecat]

52. Yes!!!!! Excellent idea

[leftieNanner]

34. I wouldn't be surprised

But where have you seen this?

[BlueIdaho]

37. On this board.

And not just this post. Rumors probably, but rumors of meeting between House & Senate leadership and Pence. One of the groups capable of enacting the 25th amendment.
Hey - a guy can hope.

[housecat]

30. We don't have enough time. What else can we use?

[Sparkly]

32. Seemed pretty interesting that it was Pence who had to call in the Nat. Guard.

[Ilsa]

33. It's April Ryan. I believe her.

Sources close to trump say he's lost his mind. He's a danger to national security.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. CSpan just reported cabinet secys discussing.

[Hekate]

35. Things are in motion at last

[quakerboy]

38. Question

If we managed to go 25th and remove him from office... does that give him some cover from wrong doing while in office(along the lines of not guilty by reason of insanity)?

[AmyStrange]

42. Interesting question...

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It could possibly be used as a defense for what happened today, but not for all that other crap he did.
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[quakerboy]

56. Why not?

Anyone really think he has actually declined? Everything happening is consistent through his presidency and before.

[AmyStrange]

59. Just my opinion...

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just like yours is.
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[reACTIONary]

45. The "big brain"? He wouldn't plead insanity.

[quakerboy]

54. But if hes removed for it

He wouldnt stop his lawyers trying "trick the system" by claiming it.

[reACTIONary]

61. Yep. He could claim to be...

... the greatest insane person ever, with the most perfect , beautiful delusions. Of the "grandeur" sort.

[quakerboy]

62. Or just pretend it never happened

Treat it like he treats all his bankruptcys and tax doges.. just making use of the system, nothing to see here

[Mr. Evil]

40. If this should come to fruition,

could this be used by his attorneys to claim that he isn't competent enough to stand trial in any of the multiple federal and state charges against him? Could he escape any or all prosecutorial efforts by mental defect (it seems plausible because he is definitely mentally defective)?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. C-SPAN just said cabinet secys meeting on 25th

[gldstwmn]

57. They are getting their ducks in

A row, making sure the Capital is secured and he is going to be removed.
People are shaken. The whole thing has finally hit home for some of them. Someone died today unnecessarily.
It's over.