No sympathy for Ashli Babbitt.

[BlueStater]

I just looked over her Twitter feed and she was quite a nasty piece of work.

A conspiracy theorist. An anti-masker. An all-around lunatic.

She died trying to overthrow our government. She died for an asshole who has no regard for her life or anyone else’s.

I can’t think of a more idiotic, worthless cause than dying for Donald fucking Trump. She wasted her life and now she’s dead forever.

I’m not happy she’s dead, but would I go so far to say that the world might be a slightly better place now that there’s one less person like her in it? Yeah.

[sboatcar]

1. People on the right justify police killings all the time

saying "If they'd just obeyed the police orders, they'd still be alive today"......well by that logic, if she'd stopped trying to break into the capitol when the guys with guns told her to stop, she'd be alive today too.

[StarfishSaver]

11. Her situation was even worse

She wasn't breaking into the Capitol when she was shot. She had already broken in and wasn't shot or even stopped. She had then proceeded with a mob to go through the Capitol, up the steps and to the area near the House floor, breaking through barricaded doors and windows trying to enter the Speaker's lobby. She STILL wasn't shot or even stopped. Only when she climbed through the window trying to enter the area just feet from the House floor was she shot.

Her situation went way beyond "not obeying orders." This woman was an active terrorist threat who was given every opportunity to back off and stand down but continued surging forward and was finally stopped before she could further endanger anyone's life.

This woman was no victim.

[sboatcar]

14. Absolutely!

Some on the right are calling her a martyr (though not many)

[StarfishSaver]

17. And some people right here are saying the shooting wasn't justified

[Fullduplexxx]

21. That's somewhat pathetic

[dware]

27. And to make matters worse,

she had a back pack on and considering that 2 pipe bombs were found earlier, what were the police to think?

[Bettie]

33. She and the mob were there

to do harm. They were there to harm lawmakers.

Zero sympathy.

What's funny to me is that the same people who always come up with "reasons" why the unarmed Black person deserved to be shot by cops are really angry that people don't have sympathy for this woman.

After the plot to kidnap and kill Gov. Whitmer by people with the same beliefs she had, no benefit of the doubt is deserved.

[Vivienne235729]

42. 1000+

[winstars]

53. Well, after that shot, they did STOP coming threw the window!

So it was a good shoot...

[aquamarina]

2. I agree.

It will be interesting to find out if she gets a military funeral.

[csziggy]

51. She should NOT get a military funeral

She forswore the oath she took to uphold the Constitution. As I said in another post, she should be posthumously be dishonorably discharged from whatever service she served.

[aquamarina]

55. I totally agree.

But it will be interesting to see if her family requests one.

[XanaDUer2]

3. I checked her Twitter and she was paranoid

thought airlines conspired against patriots and Trump. Cult

[Takket]

4. She died a traitor to her nation and our way of life

She won’t be missed.

[Lobo27]

5. Just now at work...

This person has bought into the whole she was a vet. And I'm like, and yet she still chose to betray her nation. Said person got very upset and claimed I had no patriotism.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Hitler was a vet

If that doesn’t work, so was Timothy McVeigh.

[MyOwnPeace]

18. Show her the names on this post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214839388

Tim McVeigh
Benedict Arnold
Michael Flynn
Lee Harvey Oswald

Were THEY patriots?

[jonstl08]

26. She is a traitor

I am also an Air Force Veteran and we all took an oath to protect to defend this country according to the constitution against all enemies foreign and Domestic. Congress was performing their constitutional duty so she violated her oath of office which is traitorious.

[Kaleva]

29. Harvey Oswald was a vet and so was Timothy McVeigh.

[elevator]

91. Lee Harvey Oswald was never convicted of a crime, nor would he have

been had he lived and the truth came out.

[yardwork]

31. Fourteen years in military security with the Air Force. She knew what she was doing.

This veteran, of all people, knew or should have known that breaking into the Capitol building might be met with deadly force.

Apparently she believed Trump's lies and thought she was being a righteous revolutionary. That's very sad. What a waste.

[TheFarseer]

45. So was the Fort Hood shooter

Does she think he’s a great patriot?

[Celerity]

6. indeed

[Corgigal]

7. Yes,

an idiot. I’m a woman veteran, siting in my house for months because I won’t let Trump kill me. She actively went and did a criminal act. If you break out a window, on any random location, gun shots are a possibility.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. +1

[Warren_Pointe]

8. Sadly, she will be embraced by these fascists as the new Crispus Attucks

First casualty of Civil War 2.0

[Tarc]

9. The man with the gun was well-dressed, apparently even had cufflinks if you zoom in

Would not be a bit surprised if it was a member Pence's USSS detail.

It was a good, clean shot. A necessary deterrent of further violence, you saw the rest of the MAGAts react in a "shit just got real" manner. You also saw the uniformed police on her side of the barricade briefly raise his weapon, then lower it and then communicate to the other side via hand signals.

[LisaL]

23. I am guessing she was trying to get into a room where someone of importance was hiding from the mob.

NT

[dalton99a]

12. She was trying to capture Pence for trial and execution

[Baitball Blogger]

13. How old was she?

[LisaL]

24. Clearly an adult. What else do you need to know?

NT

[Baitball Blogger]

25. I thought I heard a report she was 16.

But today I heard she was 35.

[yardwork]

34. Fourteen years with the Air Force specializing in security.

She knew what she was doing.

[Baitball Blogger]

37. +1

[BusyBeingBest]

16. Try driving through the gate barriers at a military base.

You're likely to be shot by people...just like Ashli Babbit in her former career. Now picture someone smashing windows and climbing inside a secured federal facility with who-knows-what strapped to your back. She was a former Air Force security police officer, she knew this could happen. No sympathy, and fuck the "shamers" on DU who want everyone to sympathize with her.

[dalton99a]

19. +1

[yardwork]

35. Yes.

[dware]

38. Yep.

2 years with the Marine Security Forces and I can tell you that everything you just said is 100% accurate.

My sympathies lie with those that were trapped inside while these traitors were rampaging through our Nation's Capitol, and the police officer who was forced to fire that fatal shot, he's got to live with the knowledge that he was forced to take a human life, however justified it was, and I don't care how well one is trained, it takes a toll on one's psyche.

[BusyBeingBest]

43. Yes, I do feel bad for that officer. He was tasked

with protecting the lawmakers and the building against people breaking and entering with unclear intentions. My husband is an Air Force retiree, the fact that she is former Air Force makes her willful traitorous stupidity even more appalling to us.

[Fullduplexxx]

20. She died for someone who doesnt know or care about her

[obamanut2012]

22. She also took an oath to the Constitution

And to protect the US from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Yet she became the enemy of this nation and its citizens.

[greenjar_01]

28. People on this board literally justified the shooting of Trayvon Martin

Same folks out here mourning poor Ashli.

It's unbelievable.

[Starry Messenger]

87. +1

[NRaleighLiberal]

30. and the right will make her a martyr. how Isis of them all.

[Dawson Leery]

32. Domestic terrorists get what they deserve.

No tears for these trash.

[Silent3]

36. Not a single tear being shed here n/t

[Polybius]

39. No sympathy just because her opinions were crazy?

She wasn't armed nor harming anyone. She should not have been shot.

[BusyBeingBest]

40. No sympathy. She was a traitor to the US trying to hinder the democratic process.

She is an enemy to you and me.

[Dawson Leery]

44. She negated her own military service by getting involved with this bull nonsense.

[BusyBeingBest]

46. It's amazing how quickly people were willing to shed or betray everything they

believed in for a failed businessman/reality tv figure. Shades of Manson and Jonestown.

[Dawson Leery]

81. Alot of people join the military because they want to kill the "others".

She was one of those people. In her vile core, she never considered her oath.

[BlueStater]

48. She shouldn't have tried to break into the capitol.

The police had no idea what her intentions were or whether she was armed. They warned her to stop and she didn’t listen.

No, I don’t have sympathy for people who die because of their own destructive stupidity. Also, saying her opinions were just “crazy” is downplaying how truly dangerous they were.

[Tarc]

49. She was talking place in a riot that infiltrated the halls of Congress

She was with around a dozen other protesters, trying to force her way through a barricaded door, into an area that members of Congress, perhaps even Pence, had been evacuated to.

This was an act of domestic terrorism, and it was dealt with in 1 kill shot. You'll notice that no one else tried to force their way in after that.

It is regrettable that a life had to be lost, but sometimes the lethal use of force is justified. This was one of those times.

[kcr]

59. Because breaking into the Capitol building during session

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isn't harming anyone. You're delusional.

[Crunchy Frog]

84. Huh?

This wasn't about her "opinions". She was committing a violent crime, and represented a real threat to members of Congress. Apparently trying to get into Nancy Pelosi's suite.

And nobody knew what could have been in her backpack.

She was a potentially deadly threat, and taking her out was entirely appropriate.

[Happy Hoosier]

41. I am sorry she's dead....

... because I really do value life. But she wasn't some tragic victim here. The outcome was 100% predictable.

[mainer]

47. Watch her unhinged video

Link to tweet

?s=21

[dware]

52. Hmmm,

don't think she's going to put anyone on notice for a while, like the rest of eternity.

[AmyStrange]

50. I was under the illusion that we were against the death penalty?

[BusyBeingBest]

54. I am, but I'm not against protecting our Capitol, our lawmakers

and our government. Make a run at the President or VP and see what happens. As I said above, try to break into any secured facility or military base. Try to access an Air Force flight line and climb into a plane. You can't do what she did and reasonably expect to walk away unscathed.

[AmyStrange]

58. What did she do that no one else was doing?

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I have no sympathy for her, but I'm also not too keen on the reason she was killed.

I'm not THAT callous.
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[Mike 03]

60. What people are/were saying is that she suddenly came through a

broken window with a duffel bag, surprising the officers (who had no idea what her intentions were or what the duffel bag was), but I'm not sure now because I've heard different stories. I've subsequently heard they repeatedly issued verbal warnings which were ignored.

It happens very fast. Not that you'd want to see it but if you do there's video floating around. You can see how hard it is to tell what happens at the very beginning of the incident.

[AmyStrange]

65. I have no sympathy for her, but shooting at someone with a duffle bag

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that might have explosives in it is not something I would do.

For all we know, it was filled with cans of spray paint.

Something just doesn't add up.
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[Mike 03]

72. "For all we know, it was filled with cans of spray paint."

My brother in law was a cop, and in a situation like that they don't have time to play guessing games. Especially if your verbal commands are ignored and that person is moving in your direction.

But it's good to ask questions. I don't see anything wrong with what you're asking. I have questions too.

[AmyStrange]

75. Ask your brother in law if he would shoot someone with possible explosives on them...

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I'm serious. I'd like to know what he thinks.
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[BusyBeingBest]

61. So you believe they should have been allowed to break and enter and

access a secured facility with vulnerable lawmakers who were trying to certify the election? This was a terror attack and I'm frankly surprised more weren't shot.

[AmyStrange]

64. I have no sympathy for her, but that's a good question...

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Why weren't more people shot? Why did they single her out? Why were hundreds of terrorist allowed to enter?
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[BusyBeingBest]

67. I think she was just unlucky among the scores of others doing the same thing.

Or maybe something threatening in her actions or words drew the attention of an officer. Women can be a threat, too. Especially one with her background.

[AmyStrange]

70. Did she have a gun?

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I could understand her getting shot for that reason, but like I said, I have no sympathy for her.

It just doesn't add up.
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[BusyBeingBest]

74. I guess not. But the police wouldn't have known that.

They are tasked with protecting Congress and the facility. Had she been black or wearing Muslim clothing, I don't think there would be any question of stopping her with force, and I wouldn't disagree either. You simply cannot do this and expect no one to halt you in your tracks, no matter what race or religion. White deference and privilege worked out for everyone else, apparently.

[AmyStrange]

77. Agreed

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Like I said, I have no sympathy, but it just doesn't add up.
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[csziggy]

71. bombs had been found on the Capitol grounds

She was carrying a backpack and ignored police orders to drop the backpack and to stop. She ignored them and continued to climb through the window which she had helped breach. For all the police knew her backpack had additional bombs in it. They had no choice but to stop her.

There were plenty of people behind her but she was the one in the opening climbing through despite orders to stop.

I believe that the officer who shot her had no other choice given her adamant refusal to obey orders. I expect her probably regrets having to do so.

I wish she had stopped and had not been shot but I have no sympathy for her and limited sympathy for her family.

[AmyStrange]

73. Yes, shooting at someone with possible explosives is ALWAYS a good idea.

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I have no sympathy for her, but it just doesn't add up.
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[csziggy]

76. The video shows the backpack was behind her

In the narrow opening she was climibing through, it was almost impossible for a bullet from the other side to hit the backpack.

What doesn't add up? You've mentioned no specifics.

[AmyStrange]

78. Why wasn't anyone else shot?

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How did they know the bullet wouldn't go through her? What kind of gun was used? Why hasn't anyone told us what was in the back pack/duffel bag?

Like I said, I have no sympathy, but it just doesn't add up.
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[csziggy]

79. If you watch the video of the shooting, the rest of the MAGATs scattered after the shot

The video has been posted here on DU.

You can see how the shooting frightened the invading crowd - it made the risk of what they were doing real. Her death may have saved many lives since the way these idiots were proceeding could have lead to more lethal confrontations.

[AmyStrange]

80. That's only one of my questions.

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How did they know the bullet wouldn't go through her? What kind of gun was used? Why hasn't anyone told us what was in the back pack/duffel bag?

Like I said, I have no sympathy, but it just doesn't add up.
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[kcr]

57. You could have stopped after the fifth word

since you seem to think that we should have just let those crazy people in and let them do whatever they want.

[AmyStrange]

62. I have no sympathy for her, but I'm not too keen with the reason she was shot...

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especially since no one else was killed.

I'm not that callous.
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[kcr]

66. It's not callous to realize the Capitol needs to be defended

from dangerous criminals breaking in intending to do harm. And if you seriously think she was somehow specially chosen to be shot? Revisit the title of post #57.

[AmyStrange]

69. I don't know what really happened, but...

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I do wonder why no one else was shot.

It just doesn't add up to me.
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[Crunchy Frog]

85. No one else was shot because the terrorists were white and RW.

[AmyStrange]

90. Could be, but...

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in my opinion, life is just too damn complicated for the answer to be that simple
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[Mike 03]

56. Yeah, I admit I got this one dead wrong.

The more I read about her, the less sympathy I have for her.

Also, some of the eyewitness reports circulating earlier in the day were not completely correct.

She wasn't an innocent "girl" shoved through the broken window with a duffel bag. She was about 34 years old and she was there because she wanted to be and was all in for Trump, and an obnoxious scumbag with a rap sheet.

[Paladin]

63. No sympathy whatsoever.

Her military veteran status means she's even more culpable for taking part in the siege of the Capitol, at the instructions of a lunatic like trump.

[ellie]

68. Absolutely no sympathy

[Crunchy Frog]

82. The world and the country are better off without her.

I find the handwringing here to be incomprehensible.

[treestar]

83. The same justifications right wingers use

when the police shoot a black man - so all we are proving here is we don't really object to the police killing people, just it has to be the people with politics we don't like. They're killing the wrong people. This is justified both-siderism. Was she threatening the officer's life? Because if not credibly doing so, the shooting is no better than the ones we complain about.

[Crunchy Frog]

89. If a black man was doing what she was he WOULD be shot,

and I would consider it justified, and I believe almost everyone else here would too.

I can't believe that some people here think that people should be free to violently invade government buildings to threaten the lives of elected officials.

[Willto]

86. She Died for an asshole.....

....that I promise you has already forgotten her name. If he ever bothered to know it in the first place.

[Imallin4Joe]

88. Zero. Fuck her and everything she stood for. nt