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mvd

(65,180 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 07:19 AM Jan 2021

Washington Post's Dana Milbank: Trump committed Treason

Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:13 AM - Edit history (1)

“President Trump broke any number of laws and norms during his ruinous four-year reign. He just added one more on the way out: treason.

He lost the House in 2018. He lost the presidency in November. He lost the Senate on Tuesday. And on Wednesday, with nothing left to lose, he rallied a violent mob to attack the U.S. Capitol in hopes of pressuring lawmakers to toss out the election results, ignore the will of the people, and install him as president for another term.

Trump fomented a deadly insurrection against the U.S. Congress to prevent a duly-elected president from taking office. Treason is not a word to be used lightly, but that is its textbook definition.”

More here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/06/president-trump-has-committed-treason/

And if Trump was involved in the planning of things, then things are even worse. People also died. It sure sounds like the work of Trump: chaotic and disorganized but mob-like. And I am against the death penalty, but under the Constitution he could receive it. I suspect a lot comes out. I think Merrick Garland could be busy quickly.

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Washington Post's Dana Milbank: Trump committed Treason (Original Post) mvd Jan 2021 OP
Hey he brought back the firing squad just in time soothsayer Jan 2021 #1
OMG I'd almost forgotten that little nugget flibbitygiblets Jan 2021 #2
Oh My! malaise Jan 2021 #3
Brilliant! dhol82 Jan 2021 #7
Electric Chair, No Water in the Sponge NEOBuckeye Jan 2021 #9
I would be happy if they just lock him up in Leavenworth leftyladyfrommo Jan 2021 #12
One of the super max prisons is where ronatchig Jan 2021 #13
Leavenworth is old and awful and full of the worst leftyladyfrommo Jan 2021 #14
You Don't Need Leavenworth Security To Stop Him From Escaping... smb Jan 2021 #27
Superman in Florence would be convenient. niyad Jan 2021 #16
Naw, I want a Firing Squad American Welshman Jan 2021 #17
That comes around full circle firing squad pandr32 Jan 2021 #26
Article III, Section 3 ... Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #4
So, treason can not be safeinOhio Jan 2021 #6
Re planning: firing Esper, BLOCKING NG, standing down Capitol Police, fortifying WH fence, Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #5
Agree. Also having collaborators in the unruly mob was a plus dhol82 Jan 2021 #8
Using IDs like that is Abuse of Public Trust (abuse of office/power) in commission of a crime Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #25
Dan Milbank not the WP grantcart Jan 2021 #10
Not just a foreign power. It consists of levying war rateyes Jan 2021 #11
Not even close grantcart Jan 2021 #18
The chief executive ordered his followers to attack the legislature... Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #20
We always have our naysayers. Never fails. triron Jan 2021 #31
Just found Prof. Laurence Tribe's thoughts... Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #34
If it is found this had Russian roots as well, what then? Pobeka Jan 2021 #29
Thanks. One nit to pick: Dana Milbark is an employee of the Washington Post. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2021 #32
Dana, not Dan. But yes, OP is wrong, it's not the WP saying this. n/t thesquanderer Jan 2021 #21
I just hope... myohmy2 Jan 2021 #15
"Congress fully realizes the gravity of the moment" llmart Jan 2021 #19
Just one nit... reACTIONary Jan 2021 #22
I have no problem editing mvd Jan 2021 #24
Yes, it's treason and the Republicans have aided and abetted Trump dlk Jan 2021 #23
Character matters in a President. Joinfortmill Jan 2021 #28
i would add conspiracy and murder to those charges onetexan Jan 2021 #30
Speaking of firing squads (and Christmas) .. DemoTex Jan 2021 #33
Finally. People need to use this word. Treason. PatrickforO Jan 2021 #35
Yes mvd Jan 2021 #36
especially if there is any foreign discussion or involvement. I want to know how Prince is wiggs Jan 2021 #37

NEOBuckeye

(2,781 posts)
9. Electric Chair, No Water in the Sponge
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jan 2021

Green Mile style. Fry his fucking ass and make him suffer dearly for what he has done.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,870 posts)
12. I would be happy if they just lock him up in Leavenworth
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:44 AM
Jan 2021

so we don't ever have to see or hear about him again.

smb

(3,475 posts)
27. You Don't Need Leavenworth Security To Stop Him From Escaping...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:28 AM
Jan 2021

...just put ramps on all approaches to the prison and the guards would easily catch up to his slowly shambling ass.

 
17. Naw, I want a Firing Squad
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:57 AM
Jan 2021

Live on national television, thus granting the last request of a dying man: Everybody will be watching him!

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,416 posts)
4. Article III, Section 3 ...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 07:34 AM
Jan 2021
Article III, Section 3

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,040 posts)
5. Re planning: firing Esper, BLOCKING NG, standing down Capitol Police, fortifying WH fence,
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:16 AM
Jan 2021

Make that acting SecDef sweat. But he's a special ops ex-military and might not turn against tRump. Make him really really sweat and then give him prison time.

It was criminal to block the DC National Guard the way they did.

tRump set it up a day or two before the rally so that certain actions required explicit signoff by the SecDef. Despite all the social media, and the warnings, and the pleadings. They knew what was going to happen and they aided and abetted it.

This wasn't LiHoP or MiHoP. It was MNHoP: Make Nothing Happen, on Purpose.

Slow down and block anything happening to prevent it. Then swoop in and act like cavalry coming to the rescue and invoke the Insurrection Act and force a six state revote with severe suppression. I think that was the plan.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
8. Agree. Also having collaborators in the unruly mob was a plus
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:37 AM
Jan 2021

Read somewhere that there were cops and military in civvies flashing their ID’s to the police.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,040 posts)
25. Using IDs like that is Abuse of Public Trust (abuse of office/power) in commission of a crime
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:15 AM
Jan 2021

It means that there are law breakers in the police forces.

I trust that is not a surprise to DU members.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
10. Dan Milbank not the WP
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:39 AM
Jan 2021

It is quite clearly the text book definition of sedition not treason which the constitution clearly states involves assisting a foreign power during war.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. Not even close
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:57 AM
Jan 2021

Levying war in the constitution is spelled out in very specific language as passing a declaration of war by Congress against a foreign power.

This is treason to the same extent arson is assault or fraud. The words "treason" and "sedition" have very specific definitions and cannot, correctly, be used interchangeably. Most people who have not bothered to read the Constitution think that if you are a traitor or do traitorous acts that it is treason. That is not the case. Sometimes a traitor conducts treasonous acts, sometimes sedition. That the author goes on to use the phrase "textbook definition" is the textbook definition of misuse of language.

I grimaced when I saw that the WP had made such a basic error in word choice only to be relieved that your headline "WP . . " is as equally inaccurate as the choice of "treason". A guest opinion column does not reflect the opinion of the editorial board and your use of it is highly misleading, but we are mad as hell so the correct use of words shouldn't matter because, you know we are really really mad.

Kid Berwyn

(14,958 posts)
20. The chief executive ordered his followers to attack the legislature...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:03 AM
Jan 2021

...in order to remain in power.

It doesn’t get more treasonous than that.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,608 posts)
32. Thanks. One nit to pick: Dana Milbark is an employee of the Washington Post.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:22 AM
Jan 2021

He is not a guest columnist. He is a regular opinion columnist.

https://twitter.com/Milbank

Dana Milbank
@Milbank
Syndicated columnist with
@washingtonpost
and purveyor of fake news. Husband of
@anna_greenberg
. Father of one. Stepdad of two. Master of none.
Washington, D.C. washingtonpost.com/milbank Joined January 2009

myohmy2

(3,176 posts)
15. I just hope...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 08:52 AM
Jan 2021

...Congress fully realizes the gravity of the moment and removes this man immediately from office and our future...

...now is the time for all of Congress to stand up and stand tall for the Republic...

...I don't care what GOOD any of them has done in their lives, this will be their defining moment that will go down in history...

...posterity is watching...

llmart

(15,552 posts)
19. "Congress fully realizes the gravity of the moment"
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:01 AM
Jan 2021

Not all in Congress realize the gravity. Many of them are complicit. The lists are now published as to who in the House and Senate voted to block Joe Biden's election win.

reACTIONary

(5,771 posts)
22. Just one nit...
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:07 AM
Jan 2021

... that's not the WaPo editorial board, as implied by the OP tittle, its Diana Millbank, a regular opinion columnist.

Otherwise, spot on.

dlk

(11,576 posts)
23. Yes, it's treason and the Republicans have aided and abetted Trump
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:12 AM
Jan 2021

Whether or not they take responsibility, the fact remains-they have blood on their hands and must be held accountable. Our democracy is hanging on by a thread.

DemoTex

(25,403 posts)
33. Speaking of firing squads (and Christmas) ..
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:44 AM
Jan 2021

Nicolae Ceaușescu, Romanian Communist dictator, and wife Elena, were tried and executed by firing squad on Christmas Day, 1989, at a military base outside Bucharest.


Dictators LOVE balconies!

PatrickforO

(14,588 posts)
35. Finally. People need to use this word. Treason.
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:52 AM
Jan 2021

Because that is what it is, and what Trump has committed.

wiggs

(7,817 posts)
37. especially if there is any foreign discussion or involvement. I want to know how Prince is
Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jan 2021

involved with this

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