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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm beginning to get a sense
That breaching the Capitol to stop the vote count was a convenient smoke screen for an even more sinister operation: (likely) russian intel theft.
Cannot get the image of mr. Zip ties out of my head. That is a professional terrorist. Much better armed & equipped.
And now reports of "equities" & at least 1 latop having been stolen.
Wicked Blue
(5,851 posts)How many more little green men were there, I wonder
I think you are absolutely right about possible intel theft, Sheltie Lover
T-rump has been Putin's obedient lapdog for years
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214853716
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)Wicked Blue
(5,851 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)This would confirm it.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ty for sharing that!
And there was another post last night about someone catching russuan phrases on video tapes of the insurrection!
Gawd I hope FBI finds mr. Zip ties.
Wicked Blue
(5,851 posts)or Goddess forbid executing one
would be a huge coup for them
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...You do realize that they also built a gallows outside the Capitol, right?
And frankly, the Russians* would not need something like this to gain US intel. They already have tRump* and Kushner* and others on the inside more than willing to "share."
tblue37
(65,488 posts)innumerable businesses.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...in the crowd. Don't doubt it for a minute. After all, they also knew in advance this would be happening, JUST. LIKE. EVERYONE. ELSE. The only people that didn't seem to have a clue were the Capitol Hill Police Captain (now resigned) and certain employees of the Pentagon.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Or, perhaps someone had the common sense to NOT put super secret info into computers. I mean, just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we SHOULD.
Seems to be a concept that escapes consciousness for many, sadly.
Just trying to process this terrorist attack like everyone else.
XanaDUer2
(10,732 posts)shows knows about zip ties. Sure thats where they got that idea.
keithbvadu2
(36,910 posts)Cosmocat
(14,573 posts)and put their people in the mix to go with them when the broke in ...
Useful idiots ...
wnylib
(21,611 posts)an insurrectionist coup. However, if that was the case, wouldn't an English-speaking agent be used? Language is such an obvious giveaway. Yet, why would a Russian speaking person who was not an agent participate in a coup if they were too new to the country to even know English?
tblue37
(65,488 posts)team was included among the amateurs.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)We are so so so lucky that the secret service & *good* capitol police sheltered our beloved leaders!
Those guys are bad news. Stuff nightmares are made of!
I need eye bleach!
Ty for sharing Mr. Nance's insights! I adore him.
Raster
(20,998 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ty. I was refering to tblue's post #4 above.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...Independence Day, the day we take back our country.
They planned on taking some legislators (Dems, of course) prisoner. Hell, they even were talking about taking Pence* prisoner.
As I said, THEY. BUILT. A. GALLOWS.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2021/politics/trump-insurrection-capitol/
But the insurrection was hardly spontaneous. It was carefully, methodically planned, spelled out on far-right social media, where die-hard Trump supporters openly traded advice on how to steer clear of D.C. police officers, how to pry open the doors of the Capitol and how to get illegal guns into the city.
In forums devoted to the QAnon conspiracy theory movement and among hard-right groups such as the Proud Boys, plans to turn a pro-Trump rally into a full-on capture of the Capitol had been plotted, dissected and disseminated for months.
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)Gov. Whitmer had been targeted nationally and not by those in her state...they probably would have succeeded...the state got these guys.
tblue37
(65,488 posts)ShazzieB
(16,513 posts)and execute.
They need to find these domestic terrorists, they need the CULT leader removed too.
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)Now why would you need zip ties at a protest unless you planned a hostage scenario? They had ropes...they were going to kill our people, Mike Pence. Malcolm says he thinks besides burning the ballots, the idea was to take out the succession and hand Trump a coup...Trump had a war room set up in a white tent to watch with his traitorous, worthless daughter and others. Meadows needs to be charged and locked up for years.
This was a coup. The average Capitol policeman acted heroically as did secret service and saved our folks...they got them out of harms way. One paid with his life and one is in critical condition. We need to identify and arrest everyone of them if only to stop the right claiming it was Antifa...but of course those scumbag would be murderers should face prison.
wnylib
(21,611 posts)weapons that were found? I'm wondering what the plan was for those. Looks like a larger plan was either disrupted or just abandoned for some reason. Wonder if they were meant to be used as defense once the hostages were taken.
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)By getting our folks to safety. It disrupted the plan.
wnylib
(21,611 posts)When that plan failed and Biden went publuc with demands that Trump call off the occupation of the building, Trump finally did tell them to go home peacefully, while also praising them annd saying how much he loved them, and repeating the stolen election lies.
Today, Trump reversed himself, calling their actions unacceptable. He is only concerned about being removed from office and arrested for inciting (and probably worse) the assault on the Capitol.
I want him out of office and in jail.
In an online article, Malcolm Nance said that he expects many more similar insurrectionist actions by various RW groups for months to come. They are celebrating what happened on Wednesday. They want a revolution and will not give up until they are defeated. This makes Trump a continuing danger both in and out of office. I don't have a link, but I found the article by searching "Malcolm Lance, Capitol insurrection" to see what he had to say about it.
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)IronLionZion
(45,529 posts)wnylib
(21,611 posts)Russian election help for Trump. Eliminate the successers in a "citizen" coup to keep Trump in power.
ret5hd
(20,521 posts)genxlib
(5,535 posts)I think you are probably right that there could very well have been professional spies in that crowd.
However, I don't think zip tie guy is one of them. The whole para-military outfit is much more likely to be a standard militia type who can just afford better gear. It's cos-play for fascists.
Real professionals would have blended much better than that.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)But zip tie guys (2!) I think expected distractions.
Malcom was talking about a team of 2. A hit sqaad, if you will.
At any rate, it seems the outrageous behavior of covidiots was serving to distract from much more sinister plans & activities.
genxlib
(5,535 posts)That ziptie guy had sinister plans. I just think he is more of the domestic terrorist type (ie Michigan kidnapping plot)
The idea of professional foreign spooks is a whole different problem. They were probably there but I just don't think that they would be so easily distinguishable. Look for the guys in the non-descript clothing who don't stand out. The pros are smarter than our numbnut terrorist types.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)ananda
(28,876 posts)So who knows...
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And documents strewn about as if someone were looking for something very specific.
bdamomma
(63,922 posts)that were strewn around who's office/s were those??? Was it Pelosi??
llashram
(6,265 posts)Putin set this up? The large hack of sensitive data and now this? Too pat. Nance is right about it all.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)And russians among terrorists!
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)we're all working on 8 now and I believe the new team coming into the game on the 20th will have true experience in quarterbacking...
Demsrule86
(68,675 posts)callous taoboy
(4,590 posts)These three "intellects" taking more idiots down the rabbit hole:
Marcuse
(7,507 posts)callous taoboy
(4,590 posts)that it was going to be a huge Pandora's Box. He resisted getting a computer for a long time, now he's turned into a MAGA zombie.
judesedit
(4,443 posts)his way, so some of the intel will change. He has lots of experience with the foreign powers that be. Thank goodness Biden is President with all his experience, diplomatic skills, and old friends and acquaintances in the world. Our allies know and trust him. Our enemies respect him. He's no pushover. Time will tell what info they did get. Hopefully, the computers lock after a few minutes and need multiple passwords to open. At least it will take them some time to get the information. By then, hopefully, we'll know exactly what they have.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Ty!
Botany
(70,582 posts)Botany
(70,582 posts)Between "Team Trump," the Capitol Police, members of the Department of Defense (stalled in
getting National Guard troops there), right wing media and GOP instigators, and Vlad Putin.
Treasonous traitors. Fuckers need to be jail and we must expose all of Trump's un American
crimes.
Trump and Putin planned that crap!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)There was also a post yesterday about flight to DC loaded with dump.fans.
Flight attendants could not control them.
They got off plane & walked away.
Why were they not arrested?
58Sunliner
(4,398 posts)IronLionZion
(45,529 posts)29 Pictures That Show What Domestic Terrorism Looks Like In The United States
https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-of-capitol-destruction
Perpetual denial of white terrorism only enables more of it.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)We have this today because nixon, dybya, cheney, etc. Did not get fully prosecuted!
keithbvadu2
(36,910 posts)Trumpsters left more than trash.
Pro-Trump rioters smeared poop in U.S. Capitol hallways during belligerent attack
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214853439
IronLionZion
(45,529 posts)oh wait...
keithbvadu2
(36,910 posts)IronLionZion
(45,529 posts)bdamomma
(63,922 posts)this is domestic terrorism, hurts me deeply to see this in OUR nations capitol they wanted to overthrow government to put a despot in. And to kill Democratic leaders.
Inside accomplices too.
They need to be arrested and convicted.
housecat
(3,121 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Riverman100
(277 posts)on the capital steps it should have been tear gas and rubber bullets for these assholes. Once they were inside, it should have been real bullets. And lots of them... sorry. This just enrages me
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I'm very nonviolent but it was obvious to me police were not preventing breach & felt they should have used every available means to stop insurrection.
Our entire line of succession was in that fucking building!
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)The FBI can (or has) subpoenaed the cell site records of all the cell phones at that location.
58Sunliner
(4,398 posts)If Donnie got his coup, they might have been home free. Were they certain that was going to happen? Donnie always screws up.
station agent
(385 posts)This is bad enough. Let's stick with dealing with the horrors we know instead. Think about it this way if you need to: Making everyone believe that everything happens is Russia would also be a very valuable outcome for russia.
Botany
(70,582 posts)... to look at that.
BTW I like horses. Do you?
Dozens arrested after mob storms Capitol; officials vow that more will be charged
One person arrested was charged with possessing a military style automatic weapon and 11 molotov cocktails, prosecutors said. Another defendant was charged with assaulting a police officer with a hockey stick. Yet another, who needed a Russian interpreter, told a judge, I dont know what unlawful entry you are referring to.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/capitol-siege-arrests/2021/01/07/661292a2-5105-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html
TomDaisy
(1,908 posts)wnylib
(21,611 posts)list. We need international cooperation to isolate and crush him.
Also, one more confirmation that Trump is a Russian agent.
sarchasm
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Is that a map of TN under the skull flag?
(EDIT: shout out to The Sparrow Project @sparrowmedia for IDing this Nashville bartender.)
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)the one that looked the more threatening was there with his mommy
the other Lt Col ret says he found the zip ties on the floor and picked them up