Juan Williams "Obama didn't lose and Romney told whoppers"

[grantcart]

Clicking through the night of the debate I caught an agitated Juan Williams blurting out something to the effect that "Romney just out and out lied". He seemed pissed.

I was curious what he might have written about the debate so I googled and came up with one of the best analysis of the debate so far;

In last night’s debate, I just didn’t see the overwhelming, game-changing victory for Mitt Romney that his supporters are touting all over television and the Internet today. I didn’t see the humiliating defeat for President Obama that some liberals saw as they began their bellyaching about how President Obama has lost his momentum and could now lose the election.

I saw a serious, substantive policy debate in which neither candidate slipped up or neither candidate delivered a knockout punch. I saw a match that basically ended in a draw. There was no one moment that I could point to as evidence that either candidate “lost” the debate/

. . .

Where I agree with the conventional wisdom is that the President failed to challenge some outrageous assertions by Romney. Some of his claims were just whoppers. President Obama and debate moderator Jim Lehrer just let him get away with it. Let’s take the biggest whopper told by Romney that Obama and Lehrer did not bother challenge.

. . .

“I don’t have a five trillion dollar tax cut,” Romney said. “I don’t have a tax cut of the scale that you’re talking about.”

Who is he kidding?

The non-partisan, widely respected Tax Policy Center, has calculated that Romney’s tax plan would cost $360 billion in year one before it is offset by closing loopholes and lowering deductions (Romney has not said which ones). Once Romney’s plan is put in place, they say, it will cost a little over $5trillion in one decade.

. . .

I could go on and on detailing the litany of outrageous statements made by Romney that should have been – but were not – challenged by Obama.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/04/obama-didnt-lose-debate-romney-didnt-win/#ixzz28ZZtbG1B

Yep he was pissed. I like Williams a whole lot better when he's pissed.

[brewens]

1. It kind of depends on what you respond to. Some people will always think a guy

acting like Romney did is winning. You constantly see people on tv doing it. More by right-wingers than our side. More lying by far on their side as well. Just interrupt, talk over people and keep talking!

I remember them trying a different format on Crossfire that didn't fly. A more civil debate style, with no interrupting. It didn't last long. I'm sure conservative viewers hated it. It really wasn't as entertaining and since Kinsley could always hold his own, I didn't miss it.

[renate]

8. for low-information voters, it's not what you say, it's how you say it

I don't think most of them even had a clue that he was lying, anyway, but even if they did, he sounded so confident that he just about persuaded me about the $5 trillion thing and the preexisting condition thing and everything else. I can't really blame people who haven't been following the election all along for believing what they heard.

I agree that most conservative viewers would have hated a no-interruption format. They're like Outrage Eaters.

[brewens]

9. Republicans go to great lengths to put people on tv with the right look as well.

I've noticed especially when I see a new young face that they look like a preacher or preachers wife. Not that our side doesn't do that too but you're more likely to see a liberal with longer hair or a beard. I think we pick our guys more for substance. They're more likely to send some hand-picked debate shark out to lie.

[psychmommy]

2. Wow Juan.

How disappointing that our folks on msnbc and current kneejerked and fed into the rights propaganda machine.

[hrmjustin]

3. someone should defend the president on fox.

[Kencorburn]

4. He better quit being so uppity,

Or Newt might have to come and put Juan in his place again.

[brush]

5. I like

I like Juan's post but I disagree that the President didn't respond to Romney's denial about the 5 trillion tax plan. He used a version of the old Gilda Radner line from back-in-the-day SNL, something to the effect of "you've been talking all campaign about your big idea tax plan then all of a sudden IT'S OH NEVER MIND?" I'm sure I don't have the exact words right but he did challenge Romney on that. The problem is the President was being his normal, civil self but we had the flim-flam shape-shifting new Romney in full etcha-sketch mode trying to erase everything he's said over the last 18 months with big, huge, whopper sized lies. Too many of the our liberal pundits fell for the razzle dazzle. And many even missed the dog-whistle comment equating the President of the United States with his "boys" and knowing when a boy is lying. They should be ashamed. They are allegedly progressive, left-leaning pundits. They can't just ignore or not be sensitive enough to recognize something like Romney slyly calling the President a BOY. I'm pissed too, Juan.

[railsback]

7. Obama challenged Romney on a lot of things

What bothered some was that he wasn't acting like Mitt.

[BumRushDaShow]

11. ^^^ THIS ^^^

And I have the transcript right in front of me.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

6. Fox News host defending Obama?

Rupert Murdoch must have a bigger load in his Depends.

[bushisanidiot]

10. Wow. Juan stepped out of thebubble for some fresh air?

He will probably be fired

[mzmolly]

12. Wow. Faux was more rational on the debate, than MSNBC?